Causes of Disunity

Feb 6th, 2009, in News, by

Another East Timor in Papua, lack of development in the province, and racism by other Indonesians towards Papuans.

East Timor Analogy

In January of 2009 an association of Christian churches in Papua, the Persekutuan Gereja-Gereja Baptis (PGBP), sent a letter to President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono complaining about the selection procedure for new employees (CPNS) of the Department of Religion (Depag) in areas such as Keerom, Tolikara, Sarmi, Jayapura and Pegunungan Bintang.

The PGBP appears to believe that Depag takes a disproportionate number of new civil servants who are not native Papuans and not Christian. A spokesman for PGBP said

The Papuan Baptist Church asks that Depag be very careful in maintaining good inter-religious relations because the issue of religion is highly sensitive in Papua.

He believed that there had been some deliberate manipulation of the final intake for new public servants that disadvantaged native Papuans, and that this was in violation of the 2001 Special Papuan Autonomy Act which specified that native people should receive preference in hiring decisions.

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The spokesman added that the Department of Religion should not repeat the mistakes it had made in East Timor from 1976-99, which had alienated native East Timorese religious leaders, and helped cause that province to break-away from Indonesia, or else something similar might occur in Papua. antara

Aceh & PNG Analogies

Late in 2008 Frederika Korayn from a Papuan womens’ group asked a seminar in Jakarta

The government is willing to have dialogue with the people of Aceh, why not in Papua?

She went on to complain that since integration with Indonesia conditions had not improved much, with still 80% of Papuan women being in absolute poverty, largely un-educated and with poor health.

The Autonomy Act had been implemented only in limited cases and was largely of no value, and she said that population growth in the province was worryingly slow, that since 1970 the population had only grown by 1.5%, whereas in neighbouring Papua New Guinea growth had been at 10%.

The ‘Other’

At the same seminar Yenny Rosa Damayanti of the Association of Indonesian Legal and Human Rights Aid (PBHI), a non-Papuan, said that Indonesians often regarded Papuans as “the other(s)” because of their different skin complexion and race.

Because of the skin colour and hair we regard them as “the other”, not as brothers.

People needed to think about what constituted an Indonesian and whether the definition included Papuans, she said: tempo

Is it just Malay people? Is it just Muslims?


258 Comments on “Causes of Disunity”

  1. dragonwall says:

    Wanabe Watanabe..first I said I do not profess my expertise in Brunei but then I said your figures were over exagerated and take a look into the comparison on the population and the number of stateless. Would that works out to approximately figure? Nonetheless it would in no way add up anything to the 90% you so claimed.

    And that is yesterday news I am referring..Ha.ha.ha.

  2. schmerly says:

    @AAB..

    Read and understand Javanese philosophy first

    Same old, same old, going round in circles and back peddling, typical, doesn’t have an answer so I’ll hide away and harp on the same old thing instead of facing up to it, and hope it’ll go away.

    Mas Cukurungan tackled you on bule pedophile, and you were left dangling by a thin thread of dental floss.

    Yes I noticed Cuk hasn’t come back with an answer yet! another one who likes to hide away, that’s hardly a “tackle” is it? but it shows the level of your intelligence if you agree with that numpty.

    Now you want to open a new debate with me?

    I don’t think you’ve quite grasped the meaning of “debate” yet, you seem rather slow on the uptake.

  3. Cukurungan says:

    And your one of the worst offenders, read your own post’s!

    What is wrong with my post because everything what I said is nothing else except the fact and the truth, of course, it is quite humane if you do not like it because it reveal hidden bad side of your kind

    Were did I ever complain about my wife?? and thanks for the crude remark, typical from an uneducated pig like you.

    I tell you that unless you enroll the Pancasila Course you will never know what we are talking about…btw..Is this kind of word from the educated bule one?

  4. schmerly says:

    @ Cuk.. Here we go again, running and hiding behind your mothers skirts as soon as your confronted.

    I tell you that unless you enroll the Pancasila Course you will never know what we are talking about

    Stop being a plagiarist and come up with your own ideas, I know that’s a lot ask of a numpty like you but do try and make the effort.

    btw..Is this kind of word from the educated bule one?

    And what about this remark?

    sound to me like you always complain that your wife is not pretty but you f**k her every day

  5. Aluang Anak Bayang says:

    Mas/Mbak Schmerly,

    FYI,

    In Javanese society, there are different levels when talking to someone. Pak Cuk used the lowest level appropriate for ignorant unclutured bule like your good self. If you don’t understand Javanese culture, you are in for a cultural shock.

  6. schmerly says:

    @ AAB.. Well I use bule culture, something you should learn about, then you wouldn’t be such an ignorant moron, my shoes have more culture than you.
    And as I said.

    it shows the level of your intelligence if you agree with that numpty.

    Birds of a feather flock together.

  7. Aluang Anak Bayang says:

    Mas/Mbak Schmerly,

    Bule culture? Didn’t know you are a mediterranean. After your last bout with Pak Cuk, didn’t know you have any plummage left.

  8. Aluang Anak Bayang says:

    @ Dragonball

    The 15% of 320 odd thousand represents around 50,000 who were considered stateless in 1986. Now is 2009 and the figure today had dropped drastically as some had migrated and some granted. It had then dropped to around between 50 – 70% making that is approximately 25 – 35,000 stateless.

    This figures worked out to approximately 10% of the total population of Brunei. So tell me how many out of how many of them are stateless. This is called census and not segregation. And by any standard of an Islamic Nation it is still considered accpetable.

    By using your distorted logic:

    Indon-Chinese make up 5% of Indonesia population. Revoking all 5% of Indon-Chinese citizenship means ALL Indon-Chinese are stateless. Afterall it is still below the 10% treshold and is acceptable. You do have an issue with Indon-Chinese.

    Brunei-Chinese population make up of 15% of the population and the number is decreasing as more migrated overseas. For you to say 10% stateless is acceptable. You are condemning the whole Chinese popluation of Brunei to a life in limbo.

    Hope Gadis Brunei is reading this. “Dragonball just delivered another Big Slap to your face.”

    You do have malicious intent against Chinese in Indonesia and Brunei.

  9. schmerly says:

    @AAB..

    Bule culture? Didn’t know you are a mediterranean. After your last bout with Pak Cuk, didn’t know you have any plummage left.

    You pathetic imbecile, is that all you’ve got? I think you’ve been drinking to much Alien Ale! by the way mediterranean is spelt, Mediterranean, and plummage is spelt, plumage!
    Sorry sunbeam your just going to have to join the numpty group.

    @ AAB.. Come along and hold hands with, Cuk and Assmad the other numpty group members!! and you can all skip around together, and avoid the hard questions you’ve been asked.

    That’s a thought, where is pak Cuk? maybe he’s lost his way, or run out of stupid things to say, which is understandable.

    It’s OK you can all relax, I’ve just found Cuk hiding behind his mums skirt.

  10. dragonwall says:

    Indon-Chinese make up 5% of Indonesia population. Revoking all 5% of Indon-Chinese citizenship means ALL Indon-Chinese are stateless.

    Did I say by any standard, for an Islamic country to have that much percentage of people who are stateless is within reasonable mean of acceptance.

    Did I say revoking their citizenship?
    Or were you the one that instigated that their citizenship be revoked?

    But anyway how many of them did you consider to be Indonesian? Afterall you have all these while consider them to be a non Indonesian.

    Afterall it is still below the 10% treshold and is acceptable. You do have an issue with Indon-Chinese.

    Please don’t forget that you were the one that have an issue with the Indon Chinese, not me.

    But I really think that you do not know anything about politics so it would be a waste of time listening to squabbling idiots like you, so why not you go grab on to your Javanese sub culture and shut the f*ck up.

    Brunei-Chinese population make up of 15% of the population and the number is decreasing as more migrated overseas. For you to say 10% stateless is acceptable. You are condemning the whole Chinese popluation of Brunei to a life in limbo.

    Ha..ha..ha..ha..ha. now you are doing the limbo rock with one of your other propaganda.

    Here we are referring to Islamic countries like Brunei and Indonesia. How you wish that the whole damn community to be all bumiputera and pribumis but life isn’t that way.

    Because of migraton and the duration of their presence there that enables them to a certain status of domicile and for the case of Indonesia it is that the Indon Chinese that are called Warga Cina and majority of the Indon Chinese were mandated to have the SBKRI but the facts is that government officials trying to milk the cow were making things hard for them to obtain that. Therefore they are known as keturunan, and though born in Indonesian, they are not called an Indonesian citizen. Same thing happens to Brunei.

    The population during the 1965 pogrom is one good example of ethnic cleansing where the Indonesian government were trying to eliminate the Chinese population that they feel by branding them communist it gives them an excuse, and that it is reason enough to wipe out the Chinese population thus reducing the Chinese population to the minimal.

    Later they find that the Chinese community is something they need as they have contributed much to boost the growth and stability of the Indonesian economy on a macro scale therefore they were allowed to remain in the country with an exception and that is to brand them as Warga Negara Cina, Keturunan Cina.

    Not forgetting that two Army Commanders one of them Ishak Juarsa together with the other had chased the Chinese from North of Aceh down south to Medan where there began the exodus and some being placed at Kampong Metal. Others went surther south into Palembang, Lampung and Padang. From Java the other commander had chased all Chinese from Bandung and those in Jakarta where there was anothe point of exodus.

    All of them left behind everything for people like you and your ancestors to rob and enrich yourself.

    The other one that the Indonesian government rob of the Chinese were land and the Chinese Embassy at Gajah Mada which was sold by DKI to rpivate investor and this is daylight robbery. You f*cking thieves.

    Anything except Indonesian citizen unless they are prepare to forego their roots by Indonesiasikan themselves and being force to have their marga and name change to Indonesian name.

    Now prior the covet operation and mass killings how many of them were killed and how many remaining and how many have expanded?.

    What was the population then?

    So you imbecile idiot like you prefer to ignore by not taking into account of this.

    Therefore the political analysis you did not see is that to the government itself, when the minority is less than 10% of the total population of one or mix non Indonesian is acceptable by their standard.

    So did I say something wrong or is numpties like you were the one that is capitalizing on this to make an issue out of this?

    THIS IS WHAT THEY CALLED THE MAIN CAUSE OF DISUNITY TO THE INDONESIAN COMMUNITY.

    Hope Gadis Brunei is reading this. “Dragonball just delivered another Big Slap to your face.”

    I hope she is reading this and I trust and belief that educated person will think rationally and logically and think likewise on their current status. Only irrational people like you will sum up a conclusion to distort others view.

    And you are trying to slap me after I told you to slap yourself?

    Since you are a no brainer and cannot think straight wanting others to explain to you then I suggest you have another slap so that it will drive this into the head of a no brainer.

    You do have malicious intent against Chinese in Indonesia and Brunei.

    So it is evidential that your intent are clear trying to provocate others. If they could be easily convince with your explanation then that is fine if not see what will follow.

    But let’s not forget the very first malice comes out from you and that is your discrimination, detestation and hatred of the Chinese and Indonesian Chinese.

    You should consider yourself to be a pathetic masterbating imbecile.

    Sorry sunbeam your just going to have to join the numpty group.

    You had also shown yourself to be one bigger telor.

    So I think you should team up with the one with a rod and have him shaft that up your arse.

    I am aware there are some staying up all night long waiting for my reply to your nonsense

  11. diego says:

    Dragie…,

    The more you put words on your rant, the more it loses its meaning (if there was any, to begin with).

    Anything except Indonesian citizen unless they are prepare to forego their roots by Indonesiasikan themselves and being force to have their marga and name change to Indonesian name.

    Just one thing: before you read anything from your newspaper, check its date (usually it’s in the upper right corner).

  12. sputjam says:

    I thought javanese society is feudalistic. The elites treats the peasants like insects.

    Wasn’t there an anti discrimination law passed by the parliament several months ago?

  13. schmerly says:

    sputjam..

    The elites treats the peasants like insects.

    LoL!! Sorry I’ve got a warped sense of humour.

    Wasn’t there an anti discrimination law passed by the parliament several months ago?

    Yea it’s piece of paper with writing on it, but I don’t see much enforcement of it.

  14. sputjam says:

    In java, the population is way above the available decent employment opportunities. Hence women are foced to work as maids and some elite household has more than one, plus a driver and gardener.
    therefore, several peasants are working for low pay to support one elite family. this is what I meant by feudalistic.

  15. schmerly says:

    sputjam.. When I had a house in Jakarta the Indonesian people opposite me used to lock their poor servants out of the house, they had to sit in the street all day until the owners returned at night, it’s a disgrace the way some people treat their staff, and some people complain about the way bule’s treat Indonesians, but I’ve never seen this sort behaviour from a bule household.

  16. Cukurungan says:

    @ AAB.. Come along and hold hands with, Cuk and Assmad the other numpty group members!! and you can all skip around together, and avoid the hard questions you’ve been asked.

    The time for the Bule to ask question to the other have been already over and now, it is the time for the bule to listen what the brown man says and to admits that they are whole cause of mess around the globe from slavery, colonialism, mega human right abuse, rapes, pedophile, racketing, cheating and spying on the mother in law

  17. Aluang Anak Bayang says:

    Mas/Mbak Schmerly,

    You fail to response to Pak Cuk’s question re pedophile. Here it is again but more detailed,

    Why do Western countries have ‘Amber Alert’, Child sex offender registration, Pedophile vigilante group, etc?

  18. schmerly says:

    @ Cuk.. Peeping out from behind his mothers skirt.

    is the time for the bule to listen what the brown man says and to admits that they are whole cause of mess around the globe from slavery, colonialism, mega human right abuse, rapes, pedophile, racketing

    Same old story Cuk blame everyone else yea, not a lot of thought went into that post did it? when are you going to come up with something new to say??

    Lets see now: slavery, how long ago was that any idea? colonialism, once again any idea when the last country was colonised and by whom? mega human right abuse, any idea when and where? rapes, pedophile, racketing, yes this sort of thing happens all over the world even in Indonesia. A link for you. http://www.unicef.org/indonesia/protection.html.

    And once again

    the bule illegalized of a honorable marrying process

    So paedophilia i.e. marrying little girls is OK with you is it?

    but they legalized a f*ck**g a little girls and a boys

    What are you on about? once again check your FACTS, I think you’ll find in the West you go to jail if you mess around with children, and kids in the West have a lot more protection from people like you than the kids in Indonesia do.

    I never did get an answer to those?

  19. schmerly says:

    @AAB..

    Why do Western countries have ‘Amber Alert’, Child sex offender registration, Pedophile vigilante group, etc?

    As I’ve already told your numpty friend Cuk.

    in the West you go to jail if you mess around with children, and kids in the West have a lot more protection than the kids in Indonesia do.

    It’s a pity Indonesia doesn’t have the same system, so don’t try and hide the fact this sort of thing doesn’t happen in Indonesia, also did you know that Indonesia has one of the highest rates of child exploitation in the world? and that includes sexual exploitation.

    Here is the link for you to read OK:
    http://www.unicef.org/indonesia/protection.html.

  20. schmerly says:

    @ Cuk..

    cheating and spying on the mother in law

    Spying on the mother in law?? what on earth are you on about?? I’m going to promote you to head numpty, you’ve earned it.

  21. Aluang Anak Bayang says:

    Mas/Mbak Schmerly,

    Q1. Why do Western countries have ‘Amber Alert’, Child sex offender registration, Pedophile vigilante group, etc?

    Q2. Also why do Western countries has more treadmills, slim pills, lipo sugery, etc?

    Here is the answer to both: Just as obesity is a western disease, so is pedophilia.

    Re :
    http://www.unicef.org/indonesia/protection.html.

    Have a look at the organisation on the link you gave, is it credible?

  22. dragonwall says:

    Just one thing: before you read anything from your newspaper, check its date (usually it’s in the upper right corner).

    The last time I read the publication Indonesia Media they reported that a girl had traveled to Singkawang and wanted to go to E. Malaysia and approach the Immigration Office to have her passport made. But she was denied the process because she lacked the SBKRI.

    You can continue to read the newspaper and come up with yesterday’s news release and what does that tell you.

    One thing I can gather is that:

    A Presidential decree was made into law.

    It still is rampant as though there is no law. Meaning the Presidential decree is useless.

    In a country when a person or department who does not respect the law, does not respect the Presidential decree, do you know what is the offence. Meaning they are revolting.

    It is in direct humiliation of the President. The crime for that is they are committing a treachery.

    Ultimately it meant that these people does not respect the President and that means other people and other Head of States also will not respect the Indonesian President.
    You guys talk so great about your culture or sub culture always blaming the Chinese.

    So what do you make of this and telling me to read the newspaper and observe the date?

    One thing like what someone said:

    I thought javanese society is feudalistic. The elites treats the peasants like insects.

    Do you consider yourself to be one of this?

    Wasn’t there an anti discrimination law passed by the parliament several months ago?

    What is the use of a law that not even their officials heed?

    Yea it’s piece of paper with writing on it, but I don’t see much enforcement of it.

    By enforcing it will mean that there is no longer a cow for them to milk. They are well informed that there are that much people who do not possess a SBKRI and it might be the last straw for them to squeeze money for those who are in dire need of a travel document.

    After forcing these people to pay their way through where does the money goes to? So is this considered to be corruption or stealing from the state coffer? So does that show that you are a f*cking idiot? Or are you simply an idiot? Whichever way you choose to pick you are still the clowning idiot.

    In java, the population is way above the available decent employment opportunities.

    This is the biggest problem of under educated or being illiterate.

    Hence women are foced to work as maids and some elite household has more than one, plus a driver and gardener. therefore, several peasants are working for low pay to support one elite family. this is what I meant by feudalistic.

    This is what I term it as the Javanese sub culture.

    When I had a house in Jakarta the Indonesian people opposite me used to lock their poor servants out of the house, they had to sit in the street all day until the owners returned at night, it’s a disgrace the way some people treat their staff, and some people complain about the way bule’s treat Indonesians, but I’ve never seen this sort behaviour from a bule household

    There is no trust in them. Each time they were given the opportunity to work, they will start to fraternize with their friends and tukang bangunan and then they are induced into good life by them and later coerced into stealing from their employers and run away. The Javanese and their so called brown man treat their maid that way. You hardly find that happening to other families who treat their maid more than just decent overlooking the risk they face.

    This is known as the behavior of Superior Javanese Culture.

    Why do Western countries have ‘Amber Alert’, Child sex offender registration, Pedophile vigilante group, etc

    In every society these are safety precaution. In America they will let all neighbors be inform that there is such an ex-con living in that area and they will take the necessary precaution to that.

    With people like you around ther government feels that Indonesian do condone such an act so can we term them as pedophile or vigilantes.

    Of mad man and lunatics as we recall the case of a volunteer in the Human Rights investigation into the 1998 rape when a girl was stabbed to death. For this their intelligence is simply amazing and superb how a mad man could appear in the neighborhood.

    And I suppose this is how they Silence the Lamb.

    For the Superior Javanese culture and Sub Culture, there is no shame at all, they take humiliation and embarassment as their daily cup of tea. They even take their religion to hide their guise of their gullible act and at the end of the day they get away with a fine of 250 rupiah plus court fee of 1000 rupiahs. Not even enough to buy a cup of Starbucks coffee. Morons or pedophile.

  23. diego says:

    When I had a house in Jakarta the Indonesian people opposite me used to lock their poor servants out of the house, they had to sit in the street all day until the owners returned at night, it’s a disgrace the way some people treat their staff, and some people complain about the way bule’s treat Indonesians, but I’ve never seen this sort behaviour from a bule household

    There is no trust in them. Each time they were given the opportunity to work, they will start to fraternize with their friends and tukang bangunan and then they are induced into good life by them and later coerced into stealing from their employers and run away. The Javanese and their so called brown man treat their maid that way. You hardly find that happening to other families who treat their maid more than just decent overlooking the risk they face.

    I suppose the owner of the house is a dragie-type-indo-chinese, that’s why dragie (as usual) is defending them (clearly seen in his first sentences in the reply).

    So, for dragie, indonesians (maid) are thief, criminal, etc. So, the dragie-type-indo-chinese *) has the right to defend themselves from being looted.

    Well, we know exactly the opposite is (also) true, right?

    *) I’m being very specific here.

  24. dragonwall says:

    Glad to see you waited All Night Longto get your hands on this.

    I suppose the owner of the house is a dragie-type-indo-chinese,

    Honestly I do not know which house he is referring to but

    that’s why dragie (as usual) is defending them (clearly seen in his first sentences in the reply).

    That had in fact happened to us on several occasions and I have no doubt about that. Would this be the better one that you could do?

    So, for dragie, indonesians (maid) are thief, criminal, etc.

    Many of them, Yes I would say. Even the one that had works for us for the last 20 years do that. Shwo would take home plates, forks and knives and utensils. One of my brother visited her house once and was quite surprise to see a lot of things in her house was taken from our house. And I told him to forget that because we thought since we have lots of them and they need it we consider that as given to her.

    We actually have four maids in our house, three of them were younger and they were the ones that was coerced by those nearby tukang bangunan and stole money and jewelry then ran away. Well the loss was not that much so we let things get by.

    So, the dragie-type-indo-chinese *) has the right to defend themselves from being looted.

    You should be able to see for yourself that many of such things happened, not just to me alone. So do you mean that you condone your Superios Javanese sub cultured relatives to loot? So what does that represent? Does that smell like you might be one of the 1998 looters? Or are you one of them?

    Well, we know exactly the opposite is (also) true, right?

    What you know of the opposite is because you feel that nothing of that happened, right! Then tell me now at this moment, taking into consideration of all aspect, how did Indonesia rank in term of security? With people like you around, I would say this could be one of the cause of disunity within the community.

    *) I’m being very specific here.

    Youa re right. I am very specific and I answer to each and everyone of it directly unlike bencong like you forever lick spittling others and cymabl..cymball..drums back rolling..noisy scumbags.

  25. diego says:

    Just one question: how much did you pay your brownmen, dragie? Squeeezeeet, eh? How did you treat them, dragie? Respectful…., nooottttt, eh? I know cheapos like you.

    I’m not justifying stealing for making up the lack of payment / respectful treatment, though. I just want to make you “ngaca dulu dong”.

  26. dragonwall says:

    ONE WORD FOR YOU SCUMBAG. At least I can afford 4 so if you want to ask me any question, ngaca dulu.

    You are nothing but a fake latino SCUMBAG.

  27. diego says:

    Dragie, don’t get too upset. I’m worried about you.

    Allright, so…, I’ll take it as: the amount that would normally be paid to one single person, is now split into four (or two, at best).

  28. schmerly says:

    @ AAB..

    Q1. Why do Western countries have ‘Amber Alert’, Child sex offender registration, Pedophile vigilante group, etc?

    Q2. Also why do Western countries has more treadmills, slim pills, lipo sugery, etc?

    Here is the answer to both: Just as obesity is a western disease, so is pedophilia.

    Your stupidity is beyond belief, so I’m not bothering going over the same ground again, I’ve already told you and your numpty friend the way it is, so run along and rejoin your little bencong friends in the numpty club.

    Have a look at the organisation on the link you gave, is it credible?

    So you think UNICEF isn’t credible?? just keep your head firmly wedged up your arse, then you won’t have to face reality.

  29. Aluang Anak Bayang says:

    @ Dragonball,

    You bite the dust more than a dozen times. I thought you wouldn’t dare show your face after this last episode. Blunders after blunders in your flawed argument. The problem with you is that you fail you asked the same questions over and over again despite adequately been responded to by PN and me. Your hatred for Indonesia and those hands that feed you blinded your judgement. Where is humility and gratuity?

    Re Mas/Mbak Schmerly

    It is clear that his/her spouse is non-pribumi. His thoughts are biased and corrupted.

  30. schmerly says:

    @ AAB..

    It is clear that his/her spouse is non-pribumi.

    Totally wrong as usual.

    His thoughts are biased and corrupted

    Yet again we have another excellent answer from a leading member of the numpty club.

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