Causes of Disunity
Feb 6th, 2009, in News, by Patung
Another East Timor in Papua, lack of development in the province, and racism by other Indonesians towards Papuans.
East Timor Analogy
In January of 2009 an association of Christian churches in Papua, the Persekutuan Gereja-Gereja Baptis (PGBP), sent a letter to President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono complaining about the selection procedure for new employees (CPNS) of the Department of Religion (Depag) in areas such as Keerom, Tolikara, Sarmi, Jayapura and Pegunungan Bintang.
The PGBP appears to believe that Depag takes a disproportionate number of new civil servants who are not native Papuans and not Christian. A spokesman for PGBP said
The Papuan Baptist Church asks that Depag be very careful in maintaining good inter-religious relations because the issue of religion is highly sensitive in Papua.
He believed that there had been some deliberate manipulation of the final intake for new public servants that disadvantaged native Papuans, and that this was in violation of the 2001 Special Papuan Autonomy Act which specified that native people should receive preference in hiring decisions.
The spokesman added that the Department of Religion should not repeat the mistakes it had made in East Timor from 1976-99, which had alienated native East Timorese religious leaders, and helped cause that province to break-away from Indonesia, or else something similar might occur in Papua. antara
Aceh & PNG Analogies
Late in 2008 Frederika Korayn from a Papuan womens’ group asked a seminar in Jakarta
The government is willing to have dialogue with the people of Aceh, why not in Papua?
She went on to complain that since integration with Indonesia conditions had not improved much, with still 80% of Papuan women being in absolute poverty, largely un-educated and with poor health.
The Autonomy Act had been implemented only in limited cases and was largely of no value, and she said that population growth in the province was worryingly slow, that since 1970 the population had only grown by 1.5%, whereas in neighbouring Papua New Guinea growth had been at 10%.
The ‘Other’
At the same seminar Yenny Rosa Damayanti of the Association of Indonesian Legal and Human Rights Aid (PBHI), a non-Papuan, said that Indonesians often regarded Papuans as “the other(s)” because of their different skin complexion and race.
Because of the skin colour and hair we regard them as “the other”, not as brothers.
People needed to think about what constituted an Indonesian and whether the definition included Papuans, she said: tempo
Is it just Malay people? Is it just Muslims?
258 Comments on “Causes of Disunity”
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dragonwall says:
Even direct, crystal clear, explicit words from Lairedion can’t help opening your eyes. Sin salvaciòn.
Well throwing a stone and hiding his hands behind his back, jumping on every opportunity and when unable to reply to a question he would just disappear and that is a real eye opener. this is an eye opener for people who are just but a Jilat Pantat.
I found this not inconsistent with what sputjam said. Anyway, dragie, what sputjam said is a joke, you should know that. So, don’t sweat on it.
It serves as a reminder just in case he forgets what I said when he failed to be as convincing enough with his peg to the SGD issue.
There are two facets to a knife’s edge. Which ever way it slice it’s bound to cut. How bad is that going to hurt it depends on a personal concept and likings.
We know you’re nothing; you can’t make any impact (for the good or bad), less single-handedly.
Well let’s see.
Why? Envy? Or simply can’t accept the fact brownmen do business with (mainland) chinese?
You don’t even qualify. Aburizal Bakrie is one of your good example. So why should I envy. The only fact is that they do not do any business with outsiders in case you forget.
Don’t apply / generalize the attitude you and your circle are having to the rest of chinese. Less the mainland chinese. Don’t pretend you’re speaking for them.
Sorry just too bad, I am quite unlike you trying to play dominance by pretending to speak for all Javanese or Indonesians and always trying to Big Brother others. Well I speak for my self and I always direct my reply to the particular question. And that is if there is anything to is directed to Chinese and Chinese discriminations, I will be there to kick you butts.
Interesting. I remember Eddy Tansil. I was in junior high-school when the news about him came up. I saw his face / photos in TVRI as buron (wanted person) for the money he had stolen. Ugly, in and out.
So let us show you the ignorance of a latter born Javanese his utter stupidity. You have not been reading the news properly or trying to ignore what was actually the fact in Tansil vs TS case.
Everyone knew that after they obtained the loan, TS took the money for his personal use. They were sue but eventually TS disappear from the scene and all documents that had directed him to be involve in the company and the issue at large just simply disappear making Tansil the scapegoat. So they knew he was wronged and they manage to make arrangement for him to leave the country the night of Ibu Tien’s bereavement.
So, you have (or had) tie with him? Oh, right, _now_ I can understand why you have such an attitude.
Yes, when he started the Beck’s Beer at his Jalan Samanudhi’s office and long before his involvements with the TS project. So what are you going to do?
And since you were saying he was having that as a joke. Just let me point one out for you.
I pity those papuans.
they are stuck between two superpowers – Mojo’s (mojopohit) and hongky tonks.(china).
I don’t really understand what the fuss is aboiut being indonesian. Some like wandi has abandoned indonesia for her own reasons. but there are many who have quit being singaporeans as well.
So is DW, in Goh Chok Tong’s own words, a stayer or a quitter?He is always referring to things like quit being Singaporeans, so what does that represent and in Goh Chok Tong’s own words, a stayer or a quitter?
But I still like to respond to his indirect sarcastic remarks as that I AM A NO QUITTER. Just because I am away from Singapore does not represent that I am a quitter. I am still holding my red passport and sooner or later I will get my wife and children have their passport change to a red passport. So is that underachiever or down trodden like someone used to say?
Chinese is the cause of disunity.
You are definitely not a Chinese for want to say that, then good for you because you have your right to opinions.
Think about it, even in USA, where all people, from different races, different origins have the single common thing called the “American Dream” that unites them, one race remains dis-united from the rest of the nation.
You are referring to yourself just because you are American born? Or being naturalized?
And they are called *drum roll in the back* the “American Born Chinese”. Wow, they even have their own nickname, ABC. Why oh why, why can’t they simply be “American Born”? Why the “American Born… Chinese”? Ha! So, Chinese you have lots things to think about.
Care to let us know your origin so that it could be further deliberated? But my guess is that you are very likely an Indonesian born in America. Why people called themselves Javanese and not Indonesians? Why people called themselves Hispanic and not Mexican? So you feel that being an ABC is marginalizing you? Or segregating you?
Why oh why, no matter where Chinese are in this world, they remain, forever and ever and ever dis-united from the rest? while the Chinese remains separate and forever still affiliated to their “mainland
I suppose these are your own opinion and are mostly conjecture. Have you really see the Chinese community in the US? My guess is that you have not and if you did then it is still within your vicinity but not the population at large. Have you been to Flushing New York?
If you do then tell me so if not then the opinion is still yours and not what to be the fact.” And of course they do feel they should not forget their roots unlike some Indonesians who can’t understand where they originate from and bicker around trying to make pretence pretending to be Javanese but in fact some of them even have Chinese, Mongolian and or African blood in them.
Why oh why? Why not the Indians, for example. They are smoothly integrated into the rest of the society,.
You must not have seen them grouping together as a community and segregating themselves from the American. A small part of them assimilate after a mix marriage and passed of and might have smoothly integrated into the American society, but still they are themselves.
My big foot and fat dreams to you. Have you seen the Middle eastern and Islamic community? How they assimilate? They integrate themselves into the society but group behind the scene and undermine the American security by causing and supporting terrorist work. I am sure you like that and that is what you called integration and not placing Mole, like the mole face.
If you practise what you preach, then you should at least reflect on comments directed to you from other posters like ‘Your argument have no sustance’, ‘Youre running on empty tank’ etc.
Right this is also about all that you could come up with, trying to bait me? Might as well masterbate that yourself.
Exactly. When we got rid of the Dutch, the local traitors and the chinese rats were rounded up by the angry mobs and many killed. So what is your complaint?
It is not about complaint but the topic at large and to show and expose what you said were not only conjectures but a pack of lies. But since you are honest enough to admit that then we are clear to say that you are not only a coward, traitor and a bastard. For this I you admit that yourself.
To rescue the remaining Indon-chinese from total annihilation, something had to be done by the ruling Javanese to placate the fury of pribumis wronged by chinese.
Then show us you can totally annihilate the Indonesian Chinese with your Javanese crap. But the fact is that there is nothing to prove the Chinese had wronged you. Did you show the hatred you possess and the devil in you? Have I wronged you?
Your kind of debate if they were to be place in front of me in court I will expose you just have you smothered into thin cloud. But on the other hand on the prosecuting side I will ensure you the max on the most detrimentals.
However the restrictions and bans were nothing compared to what neighbouring Melayus imposed on their chinese population.
Spare the Indonesian Chinese your sickening pathetic sympathy.
The Melayus treated their Chinese population in Malaysia better than you know.
Take it from eye witness accounts. Indonesia has chinese problem because the chinese are spoilt rotten here.
That is what you think because you envy and are jealous of them. In the eyes of the world they have done wonders for the prosperity of Indonesia where sickening Javanese like you have benefited from them and now you are biting their hands that feeds you.
He is able to delve into embarrasing areas a parasitic chinese would not reveal.
Yes I am delving into your embarrassing areas of a parasitic Javanese and that really expose your embarrassments, right!
Yes, tell me why. You have been saying ‘figure that out yourself’ one too many times.
Yes because chu now like you have been delving in the hatred of Indonesian Chinese and Chinese without looking yourself into the mirror where you originate from. Who brought your parents up and who brought you up and help you while you were in Australia working in Chinese restaurant.
Have you been biting their hands? So figure that out yourself. Your IQ is just as low, so you need someone else to figure that out for you.
Dragonball, you told me to check census board!! Are you backing up my statement, or are you refuting it?
So do you think that I am backing your statements? Fat dream. So check this out
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/bx.html\
I will continue with the rest when I next log on as I prefer brevity.
This is what he call brevity and that is to whin about what happened years ago, at this rate the British should sue the the Italians for the times the Romans colonized England yea? And that he obviously hate the Chinese and that is why you don’t know. He is of course generally a lazy arse and go to work on the Chinese issue that he so detested their presence and this is one main reason that maybe in about a hundred years Indonesia will still be considered a third world country.
Deng Xiansheng (simplified Chinese: ???; traditional Chinese: ???) Deng Xiaoping, the former paramount leader of China, was born into a Hakka family in Guang An county in Sichuan province[1][2]. Deng’s ancestors could be traced back to Meixian.
Check this out and see if there is anything that says that he is a Hakka. It says Guangan a small desolated area tucked in the mountains of SICHUAN. http://www.china.org.cn/english/features/dengxiaoping/103767.htm
So if a person speaks Hakka he is Hakka. So you have been taught Chinese and write a little chinese pinyin and you say you are Chinese, right!
Must be great! No wonder you always claimed yourself to be a Superior Javanese sub culture.
And here was what you wrote You are talking out of your rear.:
Yes, continue on with the Mazda distributorship. Let’s see how far your lie can go before youre caught with your pant down. FYI, you are talking about a family I know and they are Javanese, not Indon-chinese.
Ha.ha.ha.ha. That explains it all.
You are talking out of your rear yet again.
Right no wonder that is what they say, kentut that always comes out from the rear.
Having an Indon wife do not make you one of us. Indonesian are still wary of bule as many are amber-alert risk.
You really feel that it is great to be Indonesian? Don’t insult other’s intelligence. You are what you are because of what you were. Understand this!
You need to understand Pancasila first, okay?
And okay how about Pantatsila? Like Ass Please?
@ AAB.. BTW At what point in history are going to stop blaming, A: The Dutch, B: The Chinese, C: The USA, D: The UK, and everybody else in the world for your problems??
There is no ends to that for sure.
You should not be considering yourself to be “one of us” because you have an Indonesian wife. He is not only harping back to your sad little bencong friend but a preferred pedophile. And as to read the Pancasila! do you understand what Pancasila means?? He understands as ass please “Pantat Sila”.
Ahhh .. I see where your problem is now. How should Brown men get compo from the Dutch if they don’t speak up? Maybe you have a better idea.
That is why there are parasitic scumbags like you around.
Reading and understanding are 2 different things altogether. No wonder you are as bule as you step foot onto our shore, nothing change.
Well the Dutch change your life! The Chinese change your life! Nothing else change even with you around.
@ AAB.. Do try and give me a proper answer, instead of waffling on about the brown man. once again:
Since when in his blogs that he gives a proper answer except twisting and turning around so that to prove himself to be a better commentator by venting his anger and hatred on the Chinese.
Do try and answer, SENSIBLY!!.
I he does then the world will be a square, like back to square one.
You are talking out of your rear.
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diego says:
And then it all went quite!!!
(Dragie rears its ugly head again)…
And then it all went noisy!!!
Like a beijing opera… Aaaa… aaaaa… aaa…. uuuuu…. aaaaaaa…… *cymbal*…. *cymbal*.
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Aluang Anak Bayang says:
@ Dragonball,
I said that the chinese population in Brunei are all ‘stateless’ regardless of how many generations or how well they are integrated into the society. I gave you several links to prove my statement. You told me to go check census board without providing proof. When challenged you gave me this.
I suggest you do a lipo on your eyelids. It must be your reading problem, not just your brain. The link you gave is CIA factbook about Brunei. It is general description about the country, the government and its people.
If you can’t refute me, Javanese wisdom is to let somone knowledgeable to help you. I have doubt you are even Chinese to begin with. You seem more like a strawperson created by the Melayus to discredit Indon-chinese.
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casey says:
@Dragon “suck my” ball
Despite your lengthy and yawn-inducing reply, you have not actually refuted my statement that Chinese IS the cause of disunity. If anything at all, you actually agree with me that they are indeed separate from the rest of the communities in the US. And also, please refrain from using personal attack. We are all educated here, afterall – or not? Your comment is, if it can be described by analogies, like a cat chasing its own tail – it has no point at all. It goes on and on and on and on and on, but at the end, it leaves people asking “Say what?” Quit wasting our intellectual airspace here. Sighs sighs. Stupidity never fails to amaze me.
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@ Dragonball,
Who brought your parents up and who brought you up and help you while you were in Australia working in Chinese restaurant.
I just caught sight of the above written by you. You have been repeating that same line over and over again. Can you point them out to me or at least provide more details?
Where in the world I have to sweat in a chinese restaurant? Was it the one I wrote my first job as a 15 years old in a chinese restaurant for a few days? If that is so, the chinese boss (I believe to be a Hongkong chinese) duped me and a friend of few unpaid hours. We never bother to claim it back. However, I then learnt that a cook (a Viet) later reported him to the ATO for tax evasion. This chinese man was a stereotypical chinese the like of you. Even if he had not been dodgy, should we let parasitic singaporean exploit us back in my country?
You had managed to scam your way into Indonesia by marriage into an Indon-chinese family. They get you connected with Javanese who helped you made millions with chemical factory (your own word). You exhausted your in-laws’ money and went bankrupt, then banished from Indonesia. You claimed your daughter travel to remote villages. Now you are trying to peg onto your Indon daughter with new enterprising water bottles to sell to remote villagers. Didn’t you say that you are a successful lawyer, why sell water bottles now? It is a big drop from your fanfare. Did I hear a ‘thud’? 🙂
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And then it all went noisy!!!
Like a beijing opera… Aaaa… aaaaa… aaa…. uuuuu…. aaaaaaa…… *cymbal*…. *cymbal*.Like I said that is what you could come up with, nothing else.
I said that the chinese population in Brunei are all ’stateless’ regardless of how many generations or how well they are integrated into the society. I gave you several links to prove my statement. You told me to go check census board without providing proof. When challenged you gave me this.
I have gone through those before you had that posted. You should get that reaffirm by the Brunei Government and not just from wikipedia. Go into Brunei now and see that for yourself and check it out and not just paste a link from the web site. Whether you accept that or not is your prerogative not mine.
I suggest you do a lipo on your eyelids. It must be your reading problem, not just your brain. The link you gave is CIA factbook about Brunei. It is general description about the country, the government and its people. If you can’t refute me, Javanese wisdom is to let somone knowledgeable to help you. I have doubt you are even Chinese to begin with. You seem more like a strawperson created by the Melayus to discredit Indon-chinese.
And this is about all you could say created by the Melayus to discredit Indon-chinese. Useless bums and hillbillys. You are hiding behind the skirts when I also show you the link to Deng Xiaoping’s birth place.
Despite your lengthy and yawn-inducing reply, you have not actually refuted my statement that Chinese IS the cause of disunity.
When they are facts why should I refute. But before I go on please suck mine too so that it will keep you dumb fold.
Here we are talking about Cause of Disunity in Indonesia Matter’s Blog so the main topic concern is all about the cause of disunity which the Indonesians are putting blames on the Chinese to be their main cause of disunity and so is the Papuan issue.
Why is the Chinese or the Papuans being the main cause of disunity? Why not the pribumis?
Because the Chinese are rich and the pribumis are poor? Or are you also one of those that are jealous and envy of their success?
If anything at all, you actually agree with me that they are indeed separate from the rest of the communities in the US.
Can you tell me the educational level in America comparing to Indonesia? Don’t you think in America they are different issue. The problem here is that you choose to ignore but prefer what you think by putting everything into one basket and treat them as one. Is that thinking of your rational or are you trying to something else you f*cking idiot. But on the other hand it also proves something that you are also amongst those that are discriminative with the Chinese.
And also, please refrain from using personal attack.
So My big foot and fat dreams to you and this you consider a personal attack? So how about this Dragon “suck my” ball. Is that personal attack?
I had earlier indicated unless someone offended me otherwise can you show me which of those you consider to be personal attack to my comments? Do you understand what is reciprocity?
And if you said We are all educated here, afterall, I really doubt that. I find that you are not after all otherwise you won’t be saying “suck my” so who is to blame?
Your comments are all sighs to me consider yourself well educated and yes stupidity never fails to amaze me.
What you comments were like putting a different community in a democratic society to compare to a country who claims to be democratic but full of dictatorship and atrocities. So that is what you should consider a cat chasing it’s own tail going round in circle and at the end of the day it just come back to square one. And you can continue helping those undereducated pretending to be smart.
I just caught sight of the above written by you. You have been repeating that same line over and over again. Can you point them out to me or at least provide more details?
Oh you didn’t caught this up this time but you miss this many times because you were the one that says you were washing dishes in a Chinese restaurant when you were in Australia. I am just referring to what you have said.
Where in the world I have to sweat in a chinese restaurant? Was it the one I wrote my first job as a 15 years old in a chinese restaurant for a few days?</blockquote>
So you admit you said that? Even for a few days, you did, right?
If that is so, the chinese boss (I believe to be a Hongkong chinese) duped me and a friend of few unpaid hours.
Ahem.. Oh now you are saying you were underpaid.
We never bother to claim it back. However, I then learnt that a cook (a Viet) later reported him to the ATO for tax evasion.
Just too bad if he choose to evade tax, it shouldn’t be your problem and so is mine.
This chinese man was a stereotypical chinese the like of you. Even if he had not been dodgy, should we let parasitic singaporean exploit us back in my country?
If he had been dodgy that also clearly states you were no different because each time you throw a question and when rebutted you would stray into another subject by picking and choosing what you like to write, what you want to write because of what you know except the facts that existed.
As to Singaporean then you should introspect yourself first before coming into this subject.
When your government call for investors to help Indonesia you deemed that as parasitic exploitation? What will they call you next?
Everywhere throughout the world there are good and bad, similar to Indonesia. But to you every Chinese in Indonesia are crooks and that all Javanese are of Superior culture?
You had managed to scam your way into Indonesia by marriage into an Indon-chinese family. They get you connected with Javanese who helped you made millions with chemical factory (your own word).
Is that the best you could do with putdowns? It doesn’t bother me the least. Oh yes before that I had even made millions just with beverages. So you are jealous right. That is call versatility.
You exhausted your in-laws’ money and went bankrupt, then banished from Indonesia.
Either you have a reading problem or pretending to be an idiot. The factory was closed after the riot,. But I think you fail to see the whole scenario as to why we choose to leave, so it would be pointless to rebut your statements.
You claimed your daughter travel to remote villages. Now you are trying to peg onto your Indon daughter with new enterprising water bottles to sell to remote villagers.
Is that some kind of your make up stories to cover up you failure? I had earlier said my daughter travel to remote areas together with their church members. Did I say selling anything? Of late have been too busy rubbing teenagers on your lap and probably out of your mind I think.
Didn’t you say that you are a successful lawyer, why sell water bottles now? It is a big drop from your fanfare. Did I hear a ‘thud’?
Yes and my daughter need not do anything at all. She is well taken care of but anyway can you point that out to me that say she is selling water bottles? Or did I hear a thud?
People likes to jump into conclusion but fails to come in one to one on the Q & A. They just write what they think is right because they think so but are contradictory to the facts. Pick and Choose. Capitalized on certain part and missing the other part as a whole.
Chinese in America can call themselves ABC because they are American born Chinese. They are also proud to call themselves Americans. Indonesian born Chinese were called Chinese and not Indonesians as they were not treated as Indonesians is because they were discriminated so what do you make of that.
Can we see the different in society and living environment? Or are we plain stupid? Can you take that into comparison? So that is the main cause of disunity?. Asking a question is easy but putting yourself into that position and answer the question is a different whole ball game.
So if you want others to respect you, earn it and not asked for.
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Burung Koel says:
Two Chinese guys are visiting Yogyakarta, when they see a sign outside the house of a famous dukun. The sign says “Come in and be made into a Javanese and get 1 million rupiah.”
The first Chinese guy looks at the sign and laughs, but the second one says “I’m going to try it.” The first one tries to persuade his friend that it is the wrong thing to do, asks him to try and respect his culture, and not be taken in. But still, the second Chinese guy is determined to go inside.
So he goes inside and comes out 15 minutes later. The first Chinese guy asks him “So, did you get your money?”. And the second one replies “Is that all you people ever think about?”
Boom boom.
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@Burung Koel:
Awww…. that’s racist.
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sputjam says:
Why is DW angry with indonesia and indonesians?
Didn’t he have a succesful stint in indonesia until the riots?
Surely his businesses was insured against property damage during the riots?
Singapore govenrment issued a warning to their citizens living in jakarta to evacuate before riots began. I was told, they even send their air force planes to evacuate their citizens, including in remote towns like pekan baru.( Maybe some were working for Caltex).During the riots, Indonesian chinese seek shelter in singapore and Malaysia ( a country defined by AAB as a country who bully the chinese minority).
AAB hates chinese people in indonesia, but not, according to him, chinese people living elsewhere.
In Malaysia, polls conducted recently suggested that younger generations abhor race politics. For those who are insufficiently aware, race politics began the moment independence was declared and those defined as bumiputra has a special status in the constitution. Unfortunately, those of indian, javanese and middle eastern descent, who managed to obtain bumiputra status, are presently the major custodian of this policy. Some of the more vocal racists in malaysian politics includes mahathir mohamed(indian), Khir Toyo(javanese), Syed Albar(yemeni), Hishamuddin (Turk), Muhyiddin (Indian).
Present PM Badawi (hainanese) will soon pass the baton to the najib Razak(Bugis), whose father was involved in instigating the race riot of 1969 and subsequently, gained popularity and power for his hardline approach. Seems like all these people play racial politics for their own self interest. And like Indonesia, none of the pepetrators of the riots were caught nor convicted. -
@ sputjam
AAB hates chinese people in indonesia, but not, according to him, chinese people living elsewhere.
What are you talking about? Providing factual accounts makes one anti-chinese? What I said about Brunei’s stateless chinese population are just plain facts. If I am not mistaken, you mentioned about Brunei towkay driving Ferraris, do you want to take this further with me. You can do a tag team partnership with her.
In the 80s, over 90% of Brunei chinese were stateless. It has improved over the last decade (but still over 70% are stateless) as China economic strength emerged. Dragonball said he can refute me, but came up with CIA factsheet about the country.
Once again I ask: What is the use of having plenty of barongsai, cheongsum, chap go mei when one do not have any priviledge after several generations? What is the use of having to get your residentship paperwork stamped every fortnight?
Anyone want to challenge an eyewitness account? 🙂
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@ Dragonball,
Oh you didn’t caught this up this time but you miss this many times because you were the one that says you were washing dishes in a Chinese restaurant when you were in Australia. I am just referring to what you have said.
This logical fallacy is called “Big Lie Technique”. By leaving certain aspects of what I said, then repeated it over and over again does not make it true, or does it?
My first job as a 15 year old overseas student was in a chinese restaurant for a week. By leaving out the ’15 years old’ and ‘for a week’, it changed he whole meaning.
If by your own reasoning, you fell off a bike and a Javanese man helped you up, then you owed a favour to all Javanese. I do pity your family, you sound like a person who would give away your wife and daughter to some stranger who changed a car tyre for you.
I have gone through those before you had that posted. You should get that reaffirm by the Brunei Government and not just from wikipedia. Go into Brunei now and see that for yourself and check it out and not just paste a link from the web site. Whether you accept that or not is your prerogative not mine.
If you don’t like the wiki, there were several other links. The UNHCR states that the number of chinese population has decreased from 25% to 11%. Another site says that less than 30% have citizenship. Maybe we should start following in the footstep of the Melayus and start revoking Indon-chinese citizenship. Sometimes one has to be cruel to be loved, such is life.
@ Wandi, DXP and rest of anti-Javanese Chinese living in our land.
Happy Barongsai in Brunei. For every 10 Chinese you see in the youtube, over 7 are greencard or redcard stateless. With internet, one can always log onto a Melayu land blog, seek out a chinese resident and confirm what I said. Dragonball is only here to create trouble. Singaporeans are known for that.
Do you want plenty of happy hour barongsai (like above) but penniless and stateless with no rights in the land you are born .. or
No barongsai but with full Indonesian citizenship, unrestricted movement and money in pocket?
Ask not what the Javanese government can do for you, but what you can do for our people.
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Why is DW angry with indonesia and indonesians?
This is what I failed to understand what makes you jump into conclusion that I am angry with Indonesia and Indonesians. I am sure you know I am referring to her and the topic at large.
Didn’t he have a succesful stint in indonesia until the riots. Surely his businesses was insured against property damage during the riots?
Yes I did until the riot?
But aren’t you aware that insurance company do not cover the clause on SRCC (Stricke, Riot and Civil Commotion)?
Singapore govenrment issued a warning to their citizens living in jakarta to evacuate before riots began.
Yes they do but I was in Singapore at that time. I returned to Jakarta on 19 May 1998 to see that coward Amin Rais who threatened to lead a million people march to the Istana until he warned that he will be shot if he carries out his march.
I was told, they even send their air force planes to evacuate their citizens, including in remote towns like pekan baru.( Maybe some were working for Caltex).
That very day I brought my whole family out of the country on three separate planes, SIA, Air France and Qantas first class.
During the riots, Indonesian chinese seek shelter in singapore and Malaysia ( a country defined by AAB as a country who bully the chinese minority).AAB hates chinese people in indonesia, but not, according to him, chinese people living elsewhere.
You have witness in his display of words that each and every word spelt the gut feeling hatred in him. It is perhaps because he has some dealings with the Chinese in China or what I failed to understand. But given the opportunity he will always be in the forefront of any putdowns and insults calling Indonesian Chinese rats. Like those ABRI bastards that called the Indonesian Chinese rats. It makes me wonder what to call these people who call others rats.
Some of the more vocal racists in malaysian politics includes mahathir mohamed(indian), Khir Toyo(javanese), Syed Albar(yemeni), Hishamuddin (Turk), Muhyiddin (Indian). Present PM Badawi (hainanese) will soon pass the baton to the najib Razak(Bugis), whose father was involved in instigating the race riot of 1969 and subsequently, gained popularity and power for his hardline approach. Seems like all these people play racial politics for their own self interest. And like Indonesia, none of the pepetrators of the riots were caught nor convicted.
I am sure there is a cause and it is the judiciary system that is at fault to have let those perpetrators go on the loose. In fact if the police had stand up to the constitution they swore to protect and serve, then all those that were caught in the act on television should be brought to justice and incarcerated. None of these happenes is perhaps the lube oil used in Indonesia is more licin.
What are you talking about?
He is talking facts that you so dearly denies what you had displayed.
Providing factual accounts makes one anti-chinese?
You have not proven anything on any accounts that the Chinese are at fault and all those statements you had earlier remarked have proven you to be an anti-chinese and anti-Indonesian Chinese.What I said about Brunei’s stateless chinese population are just plain facts.
What happens to Brunei also indicates that you hated the Chinese and you seemed so happy that they are stateless. Now what if that was the reverse and you being a Chinese?
You said : In the 80s, over 90% of Brunei chinese were stateless. It has improved over the last decade (but still over 70% are stateless) as China economic strength emerged. Dragonball said he can refute me, but came up with CIA factsheet about the country.
This is what you failed to emphasized and that makes your arguments invalid. 90% of the 15% of the population was indicated as stateless as of 1986. You said the situation had improved and yet you continue to provide figures based on conjecture and that is 70% and not 70% of the 15% of the population. At least the wikipedia manage to provide something more understandable. Since the situations had improves thus the CIA fact sheet needs not cover the figures and if you want to be more concise about that you should double check with the census board of Brunei Darrusalam. That figures to date according to my friends who are still in Brunei said is incorrect. The very first reason they refuse them the right to domicile is because the Brunei government doesn’t want the Chinese immigrants there to enjoy the tax free status they allocated to their fellow citizens. But of late it seemed that most of them had that priviledge bestowed on them, so do I still need to provide you any thing to refute you since you are still unaware of the current developments.
If I am not mistaken, you mentioned about Brunei towkay driving Ferraris, do you want to take this further with me.
Go on and let see how far it will carry you.
You can do a tag team partnership with her.
You seemed to disagree on what others are commenting your posts but anyway you can come one to one with me anytime anywhere.
Once again I ask: What is the use of having plenty of barongsai, cheongsum, chap go mei when one do not have any priviledge after several generations?
In Indonesia, that was lifted but still the detestation is still present as shown by the Governor of Singkawang, Kalimantan.
Anyone want to challenge an eyewitness account?
It won’t be long.
Doesn’t mean that you live near the border means that you know all about Brunei that others don’t.
Oh you didn’t caught this up this time but you miss this many times because you were the one that says you were washing dishes in a Chinese restaurant when you were in Australia. I am just referring to what you have said.
This logical fallacy is called “Big Lie Technique”. By leaving certain aspects of what I said, then repeated it over and over again does not make it true, or does it?Understand the words “Once a thief, Always a thief”. So there is no such thing as fallacy or your preferred logical fallacy.
My first job as a 15 year old overseas student was in a chinese restaurant for a week. By leaving out the ‘15 years old’ and ‘for a week’, it changed he whole meaning.
Like what I say above. When you are treated well you forget what it meant about BUDIPEKERTI.
If by your own reasoning, you fell off a bike and a Javanese man helped you up, then you owed a favour to all Javanese.
Such assumptions are entirely two different aspects by any standard of comparison.
When I helped someone I don’t expect and reward of gratitude from them. But when someone help you got a job and help you through your hard time then this is where the difference is and you seemily fail to understand or choose not to.I do pity your family, you sound like a person who would give away your wife and daughter to some stranger who changed a car tyre for you.
I have never had such an encounter but I suppose you do and you really failed the Javanese so badly with your highly praised compositions made out by someone of such low IQ.
If you don’t like the wiki, there were several other links. The UNHCR states that the number of chinese population has decreased from 25% to 11%. Another site says that less than 30% have citizenship.
So that confirms my rebuttal to say that your figures were incorrect and that figures should have been 30% of the 15% of the population in Brunei. This is where you left out on purpose to condone your logical fallacies. So it is no longer 90% as what you said!
So please give a big slap to your own face before someone else does that to wake up your ideas.
Maybe we should start following in the footstep of the Melayus and start revoking Indon-chinese citizenship. Sometimes one has to be cruel to be loved, such is life.
You can continue with your chappati crap and no one will love you, not even your close ones knowing the devil in you and in life as you opt for.
Yeah I think that could be a good idea and that they should also bring along their 70 odd percent of the total Indonesian economy along with them so there will be no more squabbling and bickering or hating the Chinese or Indonesian Chinese. Perhaps when that day comes, it would be able to enrich you further without the help of any Chinese or Indonesian Chinese.
But I failed to understand one thing and that is each time you tried to quote in Chinese, hokian or hakka you mandarin you had someone whispering in your ears or through a cellphone. Or are you a hypocrite?
@ Wandi, DXP and rest of anti-Javanese Chinese living in our land.
Happy Barongsai in Brunei. For every 10 Chinese you see in the youtube, over 7 are greencard or redcard stateless.Wroooong again it should be 1 out of 30. And this figures is acceptable in any Islamic country by any standard.
Dragonball is only here to create trouble. Singaporeans are known for that.
Hi ya, I am beginning to get what you were trying to impress others. So when you are unable to refute or rebut like the Deng Xiaoping’s Hakka origin you just pretend it didn’t happened and others are trouble make and those who hate the Chinese and Indonesian Chinese are not trouble maker!
So is that a cause of disunity or something else? You can continue to say Singaporeans are trouble maker. It is for us to know for you to find out.
Do you want plenty of happy hour barongsai (like above) but penniless and stateless with no rights in the land you are born .. or
If they are Chinese, I would say yes, and that is to be with your culture and be yourself and knowing your roots. So by saying penniless you are referring to yet another riot to robbed them of everything they owned?
No barongsai but with full Indonesian citizenship, unrestricted movement and money in pocket?
When it is a real government with full constitutional rights, then those born in Indonesia should be entitled to their citizenship, unrestricted movement. As for money in the pocket I don’t think the government will be giving them any, but they could earn that themselves and not for your to say.
As to barongsai, since there is a Presidential decree, then it had become law. Since they were not implemented that represents there is a serious problems in the Indonesian government or officials who still conceive the hatred and discriminated by depriving their fellow citizens the constitutional right of freedom to belief and practice. And do you know what that represents? It meant that there if no integrity or dignity let alone sovereign rights.Ask not what the Javanese government can do for you, but what you can do for our people.
Wroooong again, it should be reverse because the Indonesian Chinese had proven themselves that they have brought about the prosperity to Indonesia for several decades and the good and secure living for the pribumis. Just because some over zealous clerics and discriminative officials and political elites who still possess the detestation with the devil in them that causes the riot resulting in the downward spiraling of the Indonesian economy and from then no one has anymore trust in the clean governance of Indonesia.
When the it comes to this the Indonesian should provide whatever they could to accommodate them to enable them to feel more secure in order for them to further boost the economy and not otherwise.
So does that also seem to be another of your logical fallacies? So you are beginning to get the feel of the ball from the Dragon?
This ball of the Dragon is not that easy to swallow.
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AAB said: If you don’t like the wiki, there were several other links. The UNHCR states that the number of chinese population has decreased from 25% to 11%. Another site says that less than 30% have citizenship.
Dragie fart: So that confirms my rebuttal to say that your figures were incorrect and that figures should have been 30% of the 15% of the population in Brunei. This is where you left out on purpose to condone your logical fallacies. So it is no longer 90% as what you said!
Que pendejo. Yes, you. That 90% AAB mentioned was the percentage of chinese-descent in Brunei that are stateless…, not the percentage of chinese-descent in brunei (relative to the total population).
Duh, how many times do I have to correct your understanding? Can’t you read well? Or, is it just your knee-jerk reaction…, as usual, to lie.
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Lairedion says:
The fish is still taking baits as usual. Perhaps we should unhook it and throw it back in the filth where it belongs….
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Excerpt from the wikipedia:
Ethnic Chinese in Brunei form roughly 15% of Brunei’s population. As of 1986, it was estimated that over 90% were unable to obtain Bruneian citizenship despite generations of residence in the country.[3]
So the 90% is that representing the whole population or the 15%?
That 90% AAB mentioned was the percentage of chinese-descent in Brunei that are stateless…, not the percentage of chinese-descent in brunei
And how do you make out of this
percentage of chinese-descent in Brunei that are stateless…, not the percentage of chinese-descent in brunei
Any difference? I know what I am writing do you? Yeah well like usual with your noisy cymbal…cymbal. and farting from your rear, no wonder that makes Pantejo like you a Jilat Pantat.
I know you are there because it is nightfall in Indonesia waiting for the right opportunity to jump into and also no wonder there is all the filth all over you filled with masterbation.
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Diego said: percentage of chinese-descent in Brunei that are stateless…, not the percentage of chinese-descent in brunei [actually there’s something that follows here but dragie purposedly left it out]
Dragie farted: Any difference?
Omg, dragie, do you really think it is easy to fool people around all the time? Once or twice, maybe. But, always? No mames guey, eso no se puede hacer.
I said:
That 90% AAB mentioned was the percentage of chinese-descent in Brunei that are stateless…, not the percentage of chinese-descent in brunei (relative to the total population).
Now…, can you see the difference? C’mon, you claimed to be a successful executive, right?
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@ Dragonball,
Ethnic Chinese in Brunei form roughly 15% of Brunei’s population. As of 1986, it was estimated that over 90% were unable to obtain Bruneian citizenship despite generations of residence in the country.[3]
Get some help in basic mathematics.
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@ diego
Dragonball is clearly here to cause discord with Javanese vs. Indon Chinese relationship. She had said her Indon family had now lived overseas. By swearing, name-calling and poking fun at every pribumis, then proudly said she represented the bulk of Indon-chinese, I can only deduce she had some bitter experience with the Indon-Chinese and is seeking revenge.
I wrote: “For every 10 Chinese you see in the youtube, over 7 are greencard or redcard stateless.”
She replied: “Wroooong again it should be 1 out of 30. And this figures is acceptable in any Islamic country by any standard.”
This is an insult to all Bruneian Chinese lobbying for recognition and right to live as citizen.
This creep clearly has an anti-Indonchinese agenda.
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From papua, we are now conversing about brunei.
chinese population in brunei may be stateless but Nobody gets killed there. Nobody, including brunei citizens gets any chance to vote for the govenrment of their choice either.
What they have is free education and health care, and permanent residence and citizens get this benefit. Anyone who lives in brunei (citizens and PR alike) enjoy is tax free income (tax free status does not include businesses).
Citizens get free houses built on a small plot of land, paid for by the state. PR does not.Some indon chinese are as patriotic as most javanese when it comes to being indonesian. Even money cannot buy them from throwing away their indonesian citizenship. One particular badminton player, age 15 years, of chinese descent was offered to play for singapore, with singapore citizenship offer thrown in, but was rejected by the lad after several months training with the singapore badminton association.
How many Indonesian chinese badminton players who acheived world status ditched indonesian citizenship? very few if any. Only those who were rejected by the Indonesian team will try to play for another country.
The fact that many younger chinese (mostly highly educated) population in indonesia are leaving the country has nothing to do with being indonesian, but is a phenomena that is happening all over south east asia, including singapore. this is probably because the opportunity for them to work in their field of interest just does not exist in this region, for example in the field of research, or working for major financial institutions/multinationals. Or it may just be a lifestyle thing, like the status of working overseas.
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@ sputjam
From papua, we are now conversing about brunei.
It was DXP who start the ball rolling on page 1. I am tired of people telling us we mistreated our Chinese population.
The Chinese population in Indonesia is less than 5%, yet we treated them with reasonable degree of fairness. Some measure though deemed to be unfair but was done in good faith to keep them safe. A large chunk of our native populations were uneducated peasants, and many Indon-Chinese would not see the light of the day if certain rules were not set. Yes, it was discriminatory but not overbearing. Javanese live the kejawen philosophy and bullying is not part of our culture.
chinese population in brunei may be stateless but Nobody gets killed there. Nobody, including brunei citizens gets any chance to vote for the govenrment of their choice either.
Well said. If only we had followed Brunei’s format and revoked all Indon-Chinese citizenship, restrict their freedom and business dealings, nobody will get killed in Indonesia too. We would have a lovey-dovey relationship with our Chinese population.
Here are examples which you can confirm with your Brunei-Chinese friend.
A young Malaysian chinese couples reported a theft at a police hq. She was young and pretty, the wife taken to a room and gang raped. The husband filed a complaint at another station (this time rape of his wife), got beaten up and both had their work permit cancelled and sent back to Malaysia.
Barongsai in the mid-80s (forgot the year). Traditionally, under British administration, barongsai visited every home during Chinese new year celebration. So when the police decide to end the barongsai tradition, they keep to themselves and wait for the right time to humiliate. One early morning on the 1st day of Chinese New year, just as the lion dance troupe ventured out of the school happily drumming away, a band of armed police surrounded them, bundled everyone into a truck and detained everyone for noise pollution. Barongsai was banned for a while. Now they are restricted to school hall and temples.
Sputjam, these are only 2 examples. Yes, like you said, nobody got killed. Nobody complained either because ‘stateless’ Chinese have no rights 🙂
What they have is free education and health care, and permanent residence and citizens get this benefit. Anyone who lives in brunei (citizens and PR alike) enjoy is tax free income (tax free status does not include businesses).
Citizens get free houses built on a small plot of land, paid for by the state. PR does not.It is a small country sitting on an oil well, if Indonesia can afford it, of course there will be free education and free health care. However, the argument was about the Chinese treatment in Brunei as compared to Indonesia, not what the country enjoyed.
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Get some help in basic mathematics.
Right! Both of you please get some more tuition in mathematics. I replied it is 90% of the 15% of Brunei’s population are of chinese descent.
Dragonball is clearly here to cause discord with Javanese vs. Indon Chinese relationship.
Prove that!
She had said her Indon family had now lived overseas.
Wroong again I said my family members are still in Indonesia, show us which blog that I said my family members are living overseas!
By swearing, name-calling and poking fun at every pribumis,
Now re-check again who started the name calling first arsehole and as to poking fun of pribumis, you should check and double check on that except those that were meant as a reply to dick heads like the two of you.
then proudly said she represented the bulk of Indon-chinese,
I didn’t say I represent the bulk of Indon-Chinese but I said if I find those that were discriminative and hated towards the chinese I will be there to give you the boots.
I can only deduce she had some bitter experience with the Indon-Chinese and is seeking revenge.
Now you are becoming a provocator? tell us, show us which blogs have I resented the Indon-Chinese and from where can you draw the excerpts that says that I had bitter experience and is seeking revenge? You are nothing but a big NOUGHTS since you are a NUT.
I wrote: “For every 10 Chinese you see in the youtube, over 7 are greencard or redcard stateless.”
And that means over 70% of the chinese population are stateless! But referring to your last confirmation it was about 25 to 30% of them are stateless or less. So when these figures worked out it represent around 2.5 to 3 out of 10 are stateless. And then I said these figures were also incorrect as the actual figure could probable be around everyone 1 out of 30 are stateless (noting the reason behind this is because there are some that does not have the proper documentation in the domicile where they were unable to prove their presence) and such percentage comparison is acceptable in any Islamic country by any standard.”
This is an insult to all Bruneian Chinese lobbying for recognition and right to live as citizen.
So the figures that I quote were far less than yours and that is an insult? Not praised? I am praising the Bruneian government’s ability to accept the fact that the Chinese community had done much contribution to their society that they finally are prepared to allow them to the tax free status by granting them citizenship with the exception of some that does not procure proper documentation.
You don’t seemed to understand simple language but find it enthralled engrossing in your own fantasies with oversize words while expressing your hatred of the Indon-Chinese. So can someone tell these shit head who is insulting the Bruneian Chinese or is he a creep clearly has an anti-Indonchinese agenda.
The fact that many younger chinese (mostly highly educated) population in indonesia are leaving the country has nothing to do with being indonesian, but is a phenomena that is happening all over south east asia, including singapore. this is probably because the opportunity for them to work in their field of interest just does not exist in this region, for example in the field of research, or working for major financial institutions/multinationals. Or it may just be a lifestyle thing, like the status of working overseas.
Well said.
It was DXP who start the ball rolling on page 1. I am tired of people telling us we mistreated our Chinese population.
Now you are blaming others for voicing their views? How pathetic. And save your sympahty like I said earlier because each and every one of them smells propaganda. Throughout these blogs on what you said about the chinese and how to cruel and calling them rats. What have you done in potraying the Indon-Chinese?
The Chinese population in Indonesia is less than 5%, a large chunk of your native populations were uneducated peasants, and many Indon-Chinese, and yes, it was discriminatory and most of the time overbearing. Unindoctrinated Javanese live the kejawen philosophy and those that were indoctrinated use bullying as part of your culture. Like the saying goes “Asal Bapak Senang”. Like “Paying through the nose to obhtainthe SBKRI” Todong, Pungli and uang keamanan. You jst name it. Did that happened to the pribumis? The answer is no. We are referring to what happened in Indonesian until this very day “Sampai Dinihari”
chinese population in brunei may be stateless but Nobody gets killed there. Nobody, including brunei citizens gets any chance to vote for the govenrment of their choice either.
The bottom line to this comparison is that Indonesian Government have been overall discriminative and have been persecuting the Indon Chinese and Chistians and minorities. So who does that? Your so called Javanese Sub Culture or Superior Javanese Culture? So is that bullying or do you called that a philosophy? Must be great philosophy? I should swap my MBA with one of those.
Well said. If only we had followed Brunei’s format
Which format are you referring to? Didn’t they naturalized them?
and revoked all Indon-Chinese citizenship, restrict their freedom and business dealings, nobody will get killed in Indonesia too.
Well true..true. Like I said then they will have the excuse of bringing 70 % of the whole Indonesian economy out of Indonesia and will not be branded a traitor or hoarding or parking money abroad. And as to
We would have a lovey-dovey relationship with our Chinese population.
When will this day come? Tomorrow? It should have been there decades ago. And one thing with people like you around the relation won’t be as lovey dovey like what you see because still the devil in you won’t go away.
Here are examples which you can confirm with your Brunei-Chinese friend. A young Malaysian chinese couples reported a theft at a police hq. She was young and pretty, the wife taken to a room and gang raped. The husband filed a complaint at another station (this time rape of his wife), got beaten up and both had their work permit cancelled and sent back to Malaysia.
I asked him and he says no. Right, I forgot how smart you are. And it happened in Brunei? How much money you have in your pocket? You have heard of blasphemizing the Islamic religion but have you heard of blasphemizing the Islamic Head of State? Another Rush in to Die Salmon attempting to swim upstream.
Ahh I am sure you will continue to say that they were prostituting and deported!
This is what the law in Brunei states of domestic violence and statutory rape an convictions. Read this so as to save the links before you turned up with another BIN you know Been Laiden or Rubbish BIN crap.
Excerpts quote:
The law stipulates imprisonment of up to 30 years and caning with not fewer than 12 strokes for rape; for the rape of a minor the penalty is eight to 30 years’ imprisonment and caning with not fewer than 12 strokes. The law does not criminalize spousal rape; it explicitly states that sexual intercourse by a man with his wife, as long as she is not under 13 years of age, is not rape. According to police statistics, there were 24 reported rape cases during the year; four of these cases resulted in conviction, and the remaining 20 were under investigation. Police were generally responsive in the investigation of such cases.
In August a nation-wide Friday sermon prepared by the Ministry of Religious Affairs condemned the immodest dress of young women as leading to social ills and potentially inciting rape. Government officials indirectly criticized the linkage to rape.
During the year there were 111 reported cases of domestic violence against women, resulting in 10 convictions and 101 ongoing investigations. The criminal penalty for a minor domestic assault is one to two weeks in jail and a fine. An assault resulting in serious injury is punishable by caning and a longer jail sentence.
A special unit staffed by female officers existed within the police department to investigate domestic abuse and child abuse complaints. A hot line was available for persons to report domestic violence. The Ministry of Culture, Youth, and Sport’s Department of Community Development (DCD) provided counseling for women and their spouses. Based on individual circumstances, some female and minor victims were placed in protective custody in the DCD-operated Taman Noor Hidaya shelter while waiting for their cases to be brought to court.
Islamic courts staffed by both male and female officials offered counseling to married couples in domestic violence cases. Officials did not encourage wives to reconcile with flagrantly abusive spouses, and Islamic courts recognized assault as grounds for divorce.
Prostitution is illegal. Women who entered the country for purposes of prostitution generally were tried, sentenced, and deported swiftly.
In accordance with the government’s interpretation of Koranic precepts, Muslim women have similar rights as Muslim men in areas such as in divorce and custody of children, as provided under Emergency Order 1999 (Islamic Family Law), although local law requires that males receive twice the inheritance of women. The law permits female citizens to pass their nationality on to their children and to own property and other assets, including business properties.
Men were eligible for permanent positions in government service whether or not they had university degrees, but married women without university degrees were only eligible to hold government positions on a month?to?month basis. Women in these month?to?month positions could not apply for travel allowances for their husband and children. With this exception, they received the same allowance privileges as their college-educated counterparts in permanent positions.
So can you show us something to link , like what you’ve said. A young Malaysian chinese couples reported a theft at a police hq. She was young and pretty, the wife taken to a room and gang raped. The husband filed a complaint at another station (this time rape of his wife), got beaten up and both had their work permit cancelled and sent back to Malaysia.
End quote.
Sputjam, these are only 2 examples. Yes, like you said, nobody got killed. Nobody complained either because ’stateless’ Chinese have no rights
Yes perhaps but is the situation same in Indonesia? The answer is no. Even if they have not complaint they still get the same treatments.
It is a small country sitting on an oil well, if Indonesia can afford it, of course there will be free education and free health care. However, the argument was about the Chinese treatment in Brunei as compared to Indonesia, not what the country enjoyed.
And that is why Aceh was fighting so hard for Independence? Pathetic = under developed, Greedy = plenty of oil (the latest find is the largest well in the world) and Sell fish as most of the tuna are from Aceh. Big money….
As for you it is still the gamelan and the gones (opps shold be gongs) CHU NOW. Yeah I am beginning to develop the habit of saying this.. Bad habits die hard.
So no more Deng Xiaoping’s Hakka? No more of your private dealings with Deng Xiaoping’s daughter? Or perhaps his son?
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Wroong again I said my family members are still in Indonesia, show us which blog that I said my family members are living overseas!
Oh… my… gawd. Dragie…, are you a habitual liar or what? Eat your own words:
That very day I brought my whole family out of the country on three separate planes, SIA, Air France and Qantas first class.
Seriously, I also think what you’ve achieved here (if any), with your rantings: discrediting indo-chinese. The image you bring up (while posing as a chinese) is shrill, vindictive, and self-serving.
I know this image is not true. I know lots of chinese who are “normal”, just like us.
So, whatever your motive is, I ask you to stop.
Your “twist-and-shout” will only cause more damage (to your indo-chinese community you’re pretending to represent) — in case you’re indeed of ethnic chinese.
Or…, if you’re a malaysian malay (as AAB sugested), then you’ve accomplished your mission (making the indo-chinese look bad, at least in IM). So, it’s time to stop.
@Patung: Do you think it’s a good time to apply “scoring”? You know, like in youtube, people can vote down / up comments. This way we wouldn’t have to pollute IM with this tired, unhealthy, ranting over chinese-pribumi relationship. I will gladly vote down for dragie’s craps.
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Oh… my… gawd. Dragie…, are you a habitual liar or what? Eat your own words:
That very day I brought my whole family out of the country on three separate planes, SIA, Air France and Qantas first class.
Either you are a f*cking idiot or plain stupid. I said on 19 May 1998 I came back to Indonesian and that day I brought my whole family out of Indonesia and they were put on three separate plane. Or are you thinking that when we leave we didn’t return.
No wonder they called you a trouble maker. Plain stupidity. So it is pointless in talking to people like you. But I felt compel to when you said
Seriously, I also think what you’ve achieved here (if any), with your rantings: discrediting indo-chinese. The image you bring up (while posing as a chinese) is shrill, vindictive, and self-serving.
Show me (if any) that says that I discredit the Indon Chinese? If not you should have looked yourself into the mirror and see the person is standing right in front of you and you had made yourself a fool in this forum.
I know this image is not true. I know lots of chinese who are “normal”, just like us. So, whatever your motive is, I ask you to stop.
What image are you talking about? It also in specific shows that you and that idiot had shown to the Indon Chinese and proving that you are not only abnormal but plain hypocracies.
I should be asking the question what is your motive of twisting and turning my comments when you simply could not understand what they meant.
Your “twist-and-shout” will only cause more damage (to your indo-chinese community you’re pretending to represent) — in case you’re indeed of ethnic chinese.
If there is then by all means show and point that out to us that I did that or is that otherwise? Done by you by choosing to ignore what are facts? Or you prefer the links? I had that out from web links. And they are as accurate as what I could see and no such things as cyber warrior who did that.
I knwo why? The seriousness in the word of blasphemizing? Must be this and the two of yuou are afraid? That a contract will be place on the two of you? Ha…ha..ha.. how pathetic. Nah ini dia. Kalau uda kalah ma ngadu. Itu ma cara bangsat.
Or…, if you’re a malaysian malay (as AAB sugested), then you’ve accomplished your mission (making the indo-chinese look bad, at least in IM). So, it’s time to stop.
How he wished that I am a Malaysian Malay or Chinese so to speak. But tell him it is his fantasies and fat dream. You should also be asking that idiot and then continue to read all his postings to show to all of us in these blogs that who is anti Chinese and who is anti Indon Chinese.
You are the fittest of the unfit.
@Patung: Do you think it’s a good time to apply “scoring”? You know, like in youtube, people can vote down / up comments. This way we wouldn’t have to pollute IM with this tired, unhealthy, ranting over chinese-pribumi relationship. I will gladly vote down for dragie’s craps.
Good. Go ahead. Not a problem for me so let someone else be the judge to that. But what I see is that they prove to me that what a sore losers the two of you when you can’t eat your own words you start to twist and turn. Asked that idiot what he used to say HUAN NA means . In Chinese it meant twist and turn. Bo doubt about that.
Kalau mau maka cabe ma jangan takut pedas. If you want to call names, insults and putdowns then don’t blame other for doing it in reciprocity.You do not understand reciprocity but you understand what is gravity right? What goes up must come down, bego.
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I did said earlier that if I am doing th defence in court I will smoothered you in thin cloud and if I am doing the prosecuting I will max you out with the detrimentals.
You know how much I can inflict on people like you just with words. Simple words not oversized.
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Siti CathyJay says:
Poor Papua people, even in Indonesiamatters their rights are marginalised.
Too cruel, thanks to DXP.@obaka, I didn’t know that you’re smarter than this boy
if you don’t know him, read this
…but you’re just a “civil servant” and I don’t need to waste time asking your +50000 competitors if the chosen one is like you 😛
We should thank him and thank his land too.
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Poor Papua people, even in Indonesiamatters their rights are marginalised.
Too cruel, thanks to DXP.@Siti: in the good academic tradicion of giving credit where it is due, we should thanks dragie as well. Otherwise he will feel discriminated, hurted, and (much more) bitter.
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And he’ll swear, like “oink oink”.
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Pak Dragonball yth,
If you aspire to be a rooky lawyer, here is a list you have to do,
1) You have to improve your English literacy to debate someone like PN.
2) Some numeracy and maths exercise will be an advantage if you want to challenge me with figures.
3) Practise some debate skill. In your last debate with PN, you were gutted like a sewage eel.
4) Finally study Javanese philosophy if you want to debate with a Javanese. Swearing, cursing and easily agitated don’t show you in good light.
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Pak Dragonball yth,
1) If your Brunei friend is Chinese, ask him what colour of ID card he is holding? We will go from there.
2) Re DXP – Which one you refering to? The imposter is an Indon-Chinese. The real one is Hakka. The evidence is compelling, I am afraid.
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Did someone smells the wind of sarcarcsm blowing through?
Do I need to aspire?.
Like I said hard word breaks no bone, so now you are shifting to others?
What did I say of you?
In english? My mathematics? And still not convinced of the real DXP?
To me, like someone said you must have gone through some kind of bashing that you just looked like an eel from sewage this very moment still trying to weave your way out. And still not convinced of the stateless crap that you still insisted on the color?
You could do better than this with your Indglish before you start going oink..oink like the noise I just heard.
What will the two of you think of next?
Come up with discrimination and hatred on the Chinese or Indon Chinese, I will be ready to offer the very best of treatment.
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