Jihad Sin

Feb 1st, 2007, in News, by

Modern day jihadists are sinful, says a Central Sulawesi cleric.

Zainuddin Ali, the head of the Central Sulawesi branch of the Clerics’ Council, (Majelis Ulama Indonesia, MUI), said on the 31st in Palu during a meeting with police that the concept of jihad as found in the Koran was no longer entirely relevant today.

In the time of Muhammad there were many infidels who waged war against Islam. But today it’s difficult, there are many people who follow different religions but they are not enemies to each other.
(Pada zaman Rasulullah Muhammad SAW sudah jelas musuhnya, yaitu orang kafir yang memerangi agama Islam. Sedangkan, saat ini sangat susah, sebab banyak orang menganut agama berbeda, tapi tidak saling memusuhi)

Speaking in apparent reference to the confession of one Abdul Muis that he had murdered Reverend Irianto Kongkoli in October 2006 as a form of jihad, or struggle, for Islam, Zainuddin said:

Killing people without the right to do so is not allowed in Islam, only God has the power to take the life of a person.
(Membunuh orang tanpa hak tidak dibenarkan dalam ajaran Islam. Hanya Allah SWT yang kuasa mencabut nyawa manusia.)

Zainuddin, who teaches Islamic law at the Tadulako University in Palu, went on to say that many people today misunderstood the concept of jihad and took verses from the Koran out of context in order to justify their actions. Such people damaged the image of Islam and committed great sin, and their final place was in hell. antara

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February 8th 2007.

A Muslim cleric from Poso, Ustad Abdurahman, told a hearing at the House of Representatives in Jakarta that the government should take the lead in clearing up the meaning of jihad, which he said has been misunderstood by most people, including religious leaders. tempo

They think that what they do is jihad, killing policemen is halal (allowed) and their stealing is fai (legitimate spoils of war).

Ustad Abdurahman asked the police to find out which religious schools were teaching such an ideology.

If they’re found, I ask that such schools to be shut down.


40 Comments on “Jihad Sin”

  1. bin camel says:

    Hassan, talk is cheap, fact is worth than millions of your words, you can see how your Muslim fellows treat infidels comment, or even yourself.
    I see most of you are pro, I can see certain names posting regularly in some topics.
    There is only one thing about Islam which I am certain, and that is very little about which Islam teaching can be certain truthfully right in modern life and culture.
    I also sense most of you are intelligent Moslems and I think it’s a matter of time when your subconcious and concious minds question morality of Islam teaching.
    I knew my limit in Islam teaching and look stupid and wasting time when argue with you so see you in future topics, may God bless you.

  2. 1ndra says:

    Julita : We, mean all of us, all people who believe in peace and love.

    bin camel :

    To those bastard radical Moslems (piss be upon him) infidels also include Christian and Chinese, they are happy to kill, burn, loot and rape them like in May 1998 case, this is the FACT written by blood in Islam history in Indonesia.

    You’re blaming the others too, not just Islam.

    The only religion in the world who teach to kill infidels or blow themself is Islam, what a world I am living in.

    Yup, we’re not sitting duck target if being attacked by infidels, kill or be killed. But blowing ourself up is the same of killing yourself/bunuh diri/harakiri/suicide, quote me a verse in Quran about legality of it, please.

    Hassan, talk is cheap, fact is worth than millions of your words, you can see how your Muslim fellows treat infidels comment, or even yourself.

    Yes, talk is cheap and Quran worth anything, so please stop talking and read more.

    I knew my limit in Islam teaching and look stupid and wasting time when argue with you so see you in future topics, may God bless you.

    You knew your limit, so don’t talk nonsense outside your limit and making curses.

  3. Cukurungan says:

    Bin Camel,

    Who care

  4. Julita says:

    Indra:

    Julita: We, mean all of us, all people who believe in peace and love.

    I definitely know what will happen, even if one believe in piece and love, which their Faith strongly teaches (don’t trample them though).
    It is no secret where those jihad people come from, which part of the society, and whose religious name they use. Please, please I beg, the GOOD ones should act and speak out within themselves. SUPPORT ZAINUDDIN ALI. He is teaching the good part from the Koran. No, don’t let others do that than it will become a fight. As about living in harmony I am 100% sure the other side are waiting with open arms.
    Good luck Indonesia!!!!!!!

  5. Cukurungan says:

    All normal people always love peace and harmony but when your mother, brother, and sister were murdered without apparent reason, will you do nothing and kissing all those killers. Bin camel said “talk is cheap” and nothing wrong with Zainudin Jihad Teaching but when your beloved families got killed while 15 gentlemen who incited killling are still free, I should say nice dreams for the peace lover.

  6. Julita says:

    The Christian teaching is also to forgive, and I am sure they will follow their teaching and especially when the killers repent, with promise not to repeat. Remember the Holy Father Pope John Paul II went to meet Ali Aga in his jail to frogive him, this is our example.
    Though somebody who carry hatred, as you said Cuk, will continue down from generation to generation. An entirely different education for their young ones.
    Back and forth killing each other, taking God’s work into their bloody hands.

  7. Julita says:

    Recently there was a talk in regard to Islam here in the university and we are in the process of electing a new cleric. He is Moslem, an expert, a professor, he was saying that many are reciting the Koran but they do not really know the exact meaning. Did you say that once also M. Khafi?

    If the person does not know the correct meaning the consequence is quite serious. Correct me if I am wrong.

    Islam both allows and forbids murder and violence, depending on who is the recipient of the act for example: (Koran 5:51) Koran 4:5). (Koran 2:191) (Koran 47:4) etc. etc.

    Though look at the following:
    “Fight for the sake of Allah those that fight against you, but do not attack them first. Allah does not love the aggressors.” (Koran 2:190)
    The Prophet Mohamad said to his army before going to a fight “Depart in the name of Allah, and by his help. And kill not any old man nor young boy nor child, nor woman, But be good doers for Allah loves those who do good”. (Hadeeth)

    Those jihad people and suicide bombers have to be educated, just this morning I heard three happenings in the Middle East. Sad indeed. That us why I applaud Zainuddin Ali.

  8. 1ndra says:

    Thats why so many ‘Muslim Dajjals’ lurking around waiting for their next victim.
    They won’t find any verse in Quran to support their killing, instead they’re making a new one based on fake hadith.

  9. Cukurungan says:

    Julita,

    My impression you’re good.
    Christian followers and has good empathy towards Moslem.
    However, if you compared Pope’s were only got shoot with someone has lost their family. I don’t think that’s apple to apple comparison.
    Pope’s was chosen among the best of the best whereas my brothers are only ordinary men and their blood will keep in boiling when justice is not delivered.

    I also agreed that the suicide bomber jihadist need to be educated but what is your recommendations to the master killers who continue killing Moslem around the world’s.

    Murder and killing are not only happened in the Moslem world’s but anywhere in the world’s. You can easily find news about killing in Ultah, gangs war in mexico and sao paolo And I think our Cities crimes and murder rates is still well below than in Brasilian, Columbian cities and even US Cities.

    I think the only best way to reduce all those kind violent we may start to control our own community that’s anyone incite the hatred among us are not get sheltered and protected.

  10. Julita says:

    Cukurungan:

    My impression you’re good Christian followers and has good empathy towards Moslem.

    I am still on my long journey, no more, no less than any of you. Though if I have any good idea I like to share, and if there is bad mouthing because of being ignorant I would try to straighten it.

    Cuk:

    However, if you compared Pope’s were only got shoot with someone has lossed
    their family. I don’t think that’s aple to aple comparison.Pope’s was chosen among the best of the best whereas my brothers are only ordinary men and their blood will keep in boiling when the justice are not delivered.

    The Pope, he is a great leader up there and he level down with Ali, came down to the jail. I mean he is giving an example to his followers and his followers are just like us. We are free to follow or do otherwise. Good to have somebody to look up to. It is a different teaching.
    Yes, I have been reading somebody’s assumption about those who went to Poso for revenge because they lost their family. Is this true, all of them? Well, if we are not sure let us not make excuses for them.

    Cuk:

    I also agreed that the suicide bomber jihadist need to be educated but what is
    your recommendations to the master killers who continue killing Moslem around
    the world’s.

    I am not an expert but perhaps for all good Moslems all over the world to condemn and try do something about it, making a kind of council who look after all Moslem all over the world??? Oh, there are some good ones who spoke their opinion, like I said about this professor here, the cleric in Poso and honestly, I salute Turkey for their successful effort. To me this is a Moslem country I look up to, they are in control..

    Cuk:

    Murder and killing are not only happened in the Moslem world’s but anywhere in
    the world’s. You can easily find news about killing in Ultah, gangs war in
    mexico and sao paolo And I think our Cities crimes and murder rates is still
    well below than in Brasilian, Columbian cities and even US Cities.

    That is very, very true. In the US they can handle this, their law are working. Brazil, Columbia and Mexico, I kind a know how they are not good. No Jihads but killing here and there yes. Though we are discussing about Indonesia and the little pockets of trouble arising here and there. Not very serious but we do have compassion for the weak.

    Cuk:

    I think the only best way to reduce all those kind violent we may start to
    control our own community that’s anyone incite the hatred among us are not get
    sheltered and protected.

    That’s great Cuk, that why I applaud and support cleric Zainuddin Ali.

    Nice talking to you. Let’s hope for the best.

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