Sharia Wimps
Jan 19th, 2007, in News, by PatungRegional branches of the Ulema Council are urged not to be limp-wristed about encouraging local sharia laws.
Chairman of the Majelis Ulama Indonesia (MUI), Indonesian Clerics’ Council, Ma’ruf Amin, says that leaders of regional branches of the MUI must support local governments in developing laws based on Islamic sharia law. Those who fail to do so he calls banci, wimpish or effeminate.
[Branches of] the MUI which don’t push for the creation of regional sharia laws are wimps.
(MUI yang tidak bisa mendorong Pemda dalam membuat Perda Syariah adalah MUI banci.)
Speaking at a seminar in Serang, Banten, western Java, on the 18th held by the Banten branch of the MUI Marif went on to say that regional sharia laws could be enacted provided they were in accordance with the life of the people and the nation and constitutional democracy. He named laws against prostitution and alcohol as good examples.
Ma’ruf Amin.
Such laws, he said, were often criticised by people whose minds were addled by secularism, liberalism, and over-the-top nationalism. Some of these people argued that formal religious laws were not necessary, only that the spirit of sharia be implemented in daily life. The MUI was firm in its opposition to this, he said.
He also said that the MUI was working to ensure that Muslims moved together in the same direction, but that no one group felt superior to the other. antara
The Republika report has two extra paragraphs. In these the chairman of the Banten MUI, Suparman Usman, says that those who wish for the application of Islamic law in Banten will have to take the constitutional route, like Aceh. republika
14 Comments on “Sharia Wimps”
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Syonan says:
Mr. Ma’ruf Amin call to have Syariah Law imposed in Indonesia is not right as Indonesia is a multi-ethnic and multi-religious nation. By imposing Syariah Law he is implying that Indonesia is only for the Muslims and not for those of other faiths (Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism,etc) and that only the Muslims have rights in the country alone.
If Syariah Law is imposed then Indonesia will disintergrate and will no longer exist as in the case of Yugoslavia. Do we as Indonesians, want this to happen? For Mr. Ma’ruf Amin’s information, Malaysia’s State Religion is Islam but Malaysia does not impose Syariah Law as the country is a multi-ethnic and multi-religious country. As I myself am a Muslim, I do not agree to the implementation of Syariah Law in Indonesia, as I don’t want to see the disintergration of Negara Kesatuan Republik Indonesia. Let us all live in peace and harmony despite our religious faith as we are all of the same stock. I therefore call on the “ulamas” to stick to their religious duties and find ways and means to “advice” to government on improving the lives of the ordinary people.
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Ihaknt says:
PS3, Syonan, hats off to you!
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Mohammed Khafi says:
Once again one of our prominent religious leaders shows his ignorance of Al Quran:
And those who malign believing men and believing women undeservedly, they bear the guilt of slander and manifest sin. 33:58
O ye who believe! Shun much suspicion; for lo! some suspicion is a crime. And spy not, neither backbite one another. Would one of you love to eat the flesh of his dead brother? Ye abhor that (so abhor the other)! And keep your duty (to Allah). Lo! Allah is Relenting, Merciful. 49:12
The ideals of Islam cannot be forced on people, it has to come from a persons heart, if not it is not a true representation of their self.
Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. 2:256
Peace
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Hassan says:
Mohammed Khafi: I appreciate your point, but may I ask what is the relationship between the Surahs you quoted about the dangers of ‘suspicion’ and ‘slander’ with the laws against prostitution and alcohol (as mentioned by the article)?
I realize that there is no compulsion in religion, but certain laws (religious and non-religious alike) are meant to be upheld. Religious laws regarding praying, fasting, and other individual acts of righteousness should never be forced upon, but laws regarding public security and wellbeing should be. Anyway, I believe prostitution and public alcoholism is something that even our national normative law prohibited and always enforced.
About refraining from suspicion about these issues, should we not be suspicious towards men who clearly reeked alcohol from their mouths, singing loudly in the middle of the night under the influence, or harassing and mugging passers-by as was common in certain places in our country? Or towards shady warem (warung remang-remang) littered with used condoms all over? Believe me that is common in today’s Indonesia.
I know leniency is a virtue, but care must be taken so that some people will not mistakenly took it as tolerance towards prostitution and public alcoholism.
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1ndra says:
Using sharia or not, those crimes should be sweeped out.
And should be applied too in prostitution and alcoholism. -
Hassan my comments were directed to the attitude of Ma’ruf Amin, I personally believe that we have sufficient civil laws already in place to deal with prostitution and alcohol, I don’t see why we need to make these problems a religious issue, we have no need to have blanket Sharia laws in this country. The fact of the matter is that poor law enforcement, and a lack of will on the part of the law enforcers is the problem here, possibly because they make a comfortable living taking brides and backhanders from the establishments which provide these services.
As has been mentioned before in these post by others, if you want to live you life according to Sharia Law you are already free to do so, just don’t impose your ideals on everyone else, this is a pluralistic country wether you like it or not and everybody has the right to live according to one civil law, which is not drawn up based on one set of religious rules to suit just a small part of one religious community. If people wanted Sharia Law they would have voted for religious parties campaigning for that, the fact of the matter is that they didn’t.
Peace
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Mohammed Khafi: You said,
“if you want to live you life according to Sharia Law you are already free to do so”
Well it never was about me, is it? If my aims was the rights to practice sharia on a personal level then my posts won’t sound the way it sounded. Anyway, was sharia meant to be practiced on a personal level, by any chance?
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Hassan,
I don’t believe that Sharia as you understand it was meant to be practiced on any level. Can you show me where Allah in His Complete, Perfect and Fully Detailed Book tells us to follow Sharia, can you show me where he mentions another set of rules called Hadith to be followed? He says:
“now that I have given them this Book complete and fully detailed in what stories after this will they believe?”
“…This day have those who reject faith given up all hope of your religion: yet fear them not but fear Me. This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion….”
When Prophet Mohammed was given Al Quran, his transmittal of the words of God were watched over by God himself, when the collectors and fabricators of Sunnah and Hadith did their work, they had free will and were able to commit sin.
Your belief in Sunnah and Hadith are like the Trinitarian Christians belief in the Gospels, where as Nabi Isa carried an Oral Recitation to Mankind, the Gospels as written are the work of men, it is the men who have called Nabi Isa, God, Nabi Isa would never have done such a thing, but as the Christians have their right to believe what they want you also have yours, what you do not have is the right to impose you beliefs onto others and also drag them away from Allah’s True Path.Peace
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Hassan says:
Mohammed Khafi: You said,
“what you do not have is the right to impose you beliefs onto others”
Clearly, I didn’t impose anything onto anyone, I was merely advocating the sharia, as you did about abandoning the Sunnah and Hadith. I didn’t ‘impose’ anything anymore than you ‘imposed’ your stance about the Sunnah and Hadith (and about being on the ‘real’ True Path), Brother Khafi.
“and also drag them away from Allah’s True Path.”
It’s seemed odd hearing that from someone with the deepest respect and tolerance towards other religions. Now all of a sudden you’re claiming dominance on what Allah SWT’s True Path really is? Did you not realize that our differences comes from our different interpretations and understanding of what the Quran really meant? Should we not respect those differences?
Did you have Allah’s direct (not through the Quran, because it will be subject to different comprehensions & understandings) guarantee that it is the mainstream Muslims who were astray and you who are rightly guided? Let Allah SWT decides which one is the True Path and which are not, shall we? You know, even the FPI thinks that they are on the True Path, but only Allah SWT can decide.
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Hassan,
By advocating Sharia Law you are directly or indirectly supporting a system which removes God given free will and imposes it’s concept of what is right and wrong on the people. In addition it is a system which stifles thought and reasoning by labeling people as apostates and in some cases by killing them. Is that what you really want? Is that your concept of Allah’s Straight Path?
Peace
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Nuraini Campbell says:
Mohammed Khafi Says:
January 30th, 2007 at 5:28 pm
Hassan,
By advocating Sharia Law you are directly or indirectly supporting a system which removes God given free will and imposes it’s concept of what is right and wrong on the people.
If any Muslim had your wisdom, then the world as we know it, would be a better place to live. Amen!
God Bless,
N.Campbell
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MK : And how about the punishment listed in Quran? It’s God’s, isn’t it?
Nuraini Campbell : This world will be better place to live if no one commit crime. At least the one who carried crime punished heavily, so it would be better place to live without criminals.
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1ndra,
This discussion is not about specific punishments from God , it is about “Sharia Law” a manmade fabrication which has been used for centuries by the rich and powerful to control the poor and dispossesed portion of the Ummah.
You are right when you said
“This world will be better place to live if no one commit crime. At least the one who carried crime punished heavily, so it would be better place to live without criminals.”
But in 2005 it was found that more than Rp680 billion ($68 million) had been spread across at least 22 bank accounts between 2001 and 2004, with much of the money allegedly going to the ministry’s top officials, legislators, BPK members and various others.
I think we should start with the Ministry of Religious Affairs don’t you? That 68 million dollars could have helped educate and feed a lot of children.
Peace
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They fail to state the benefit of Sharia laws for the non-Moslem (if any). As far as I’m concerned, the sharia-laws is not providing anything other than fear / restless among the non-Moslem.
Ma’ruf Amin, in my opinion, also failed to understand that religion should not be mixed up with politic. Religion should be treated as a personal and private relationship between human and their creator.
Again, in my opinion, a spritiual leader like Ma’ruf Amin, should be able to resist the need to mock other people that have different thoughts/ideas/principles. I can only see this as a bad rep for Sharia laws in particular and Islam in general.