Hizbut Tahrir
Dec 28th, 2006, in News, by PatungHizbut Tahrir Indonesia (HTI) champions polygamy and rails against gender equality and domestic violence laws.
Aminah Yunus Rasyid of the Medan, North Sumatra branch of HTI said on the 19th of December during a demonstration outside the mayor’s office that the ideology of gender equality was a part of the trend towards liberalisation originating in the west that was being forced on Muslim women around the world.
About a hundred people were at the rally and they carried banners saying:
- Beware of the destruction of generations.
(Awas KKG! KKG = Kerusakan dan Kehancuran Generasi) - Polygamy is permissible, free sex is forbidden.
(Poligami Halal Vs Free Sex Haram) - Law for the destruction of Families and Households
(UU PKDRT = UU Penghancuran Keluarga dan Rumah Tangga) - Making polygamy illegal is against the law of God.
(Mengharamkan Poligami = Menentang Hukum Allah) - We’re proud to be Muslim mothers.
(Kami Bangga Menjadi Ibu Generasi Muslim)
They also performed some street theatre, a play entitled “Legalisasi Aborsi, Khitan Melanggar HAM”, Legalising Abortion and Circumcision Violates Human Rights, in which they critiqued the wrong-headed modern tendency towards allowing abortion, which they say is not permissible according to Islam, while the government strove to stamp out female circumcision, a practice which is permitted within Islam.
Aminah said that Muslim women had to be on guard against the efforts of many to portray men and women as the same, against the campaign to enact a sexual equality law and the legalisation of abortion, because these things were intended to divorce Muslims from the law of God.
We can imagine what will happen if our feminine side is lost, to the point where we no longer want to look after a house and we leave our children just because we are busy trying to feel equal with men.
(Kita bisa membayangkan apa yang akan terjadi bila sisi kefeminiman kita dihilangkan dari diri kita, sehingga kita tidak mau lagi mengurusi rumah tangga dan meninggalkan anak-anak kita hanya karena sibuk dengan urusan agar kita merasa setara dengan laki-laki. republika
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Lampung HTI Women March.
A similar theme was heard in Bandar Lampung, Lampung on the 21st of December as about 500 women and girls of Hizbut Tahrir Indonesia protested against the liberalisation of family life, and specifically against the law on domestic violence, UU Kekerasan dalam Rumah Tangga (KDRT) and the law for the protection of children, UU Perlindungan Anak. The women claimed that both laws threaten the integrity of the family. Domestic violence, they said, should be blamed on men’s lack of understanding of their correct role within the family. metrotv
Speech by HTI Makassar Women.
In Makassar, South Sulawesi, about 500 HTI women also rallied in support of similar themes on the 22nd of December. l6
146 Comments on “Hizbut Tahrir”
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sgn says:
A good explaination about Trinity:
Question:
I’m a new believer. So, I kind of have a complex question. The Trinity. I understand the Holy Ghost. I understand God, our Father. And, then, I get to Christ. And, there are references in the Bible that He’s the Lord. There’s references that He is the Son of God, that He is Son of Man, and, that He also takes care of the earth. But, we also are praying to God, Father. So, I’m confused.
John MacArthur’s Answer:
Well, you’re not really confused. You’re just right on target. And, you’ve recognized the mystery of the Trinity. And, the mystery of the Trinity is, that the Spirit is the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of God. The Spirit is the Spirit of Christ as well.
You have the Spirit of Christ dwelling in you. You have the Spirit of God dwelling in you, and, you have the Holy Spirit dwelling in you. God is the Creator, and yet, all things are made by Christ. And, yet, it was the Holy Spirit who moved over the face of the waters and brought creation into existence. You pray to God, and yet, you can pray to the Son of God, and you can also pray to the Spirit of God, and you have indications of that all throughout scripture.
You see particular responsibilities that members of the Trinity have, but, as far as the person is concerned, you cannot draw hard lines between them. We do know that God is the Creator, the Old Testament talks about that. He is the Creator. And, thus, He bears the name Father as the Source, as it were. But, we also know that nothing was made without Christ. That’s the way the gospel of John begins. “All things were made by Him and nothing was made that was not made by Him.” And so, we do understand that, while the Father was doing the creation, as identified in the Old Testament, He was not apart from the Son, nor was He apart from the Spirit.
You have, in the Trinity, an indivisible oneness, and yet, specifically, there are duties that members of the Trinity are stated to have been given. The Father, as we understand, is primarily viewed in scripture as The Creator and The Source of Life. The Son is primarily viewed as The Savior and The Redeemer, but God is also the Redeemer: “God our Redeemer”, the Old Testament says. And, so, I understand the confusion, but it’s not really confusion. It is simply an awakening, recognition of the mystery of the Trinity. God and Jesus are the same. God and the Holy Spirit are the same, and yet, they are distinctly three persons. Now, that is paradoxical, apparently, to us, that is contradictory, apparently to us, and that is inscrutable. You have one God, and that one God has always had three persons within the one God.
There are old heresies that say, “God is the Father”, then he changes his mask, and He becomes the Son, then He changes His mask and becomes the Holy Spirit. That’s heresy. God is one, and yet, three distinct persons. And, yet, we cannot distinguish them completely.
For example, God is portrayed in the Bible as Judge many, many times. God sits on a throne as the judge of the earth. And, yet, it tells us in the gospel of John that He has committed all judgment to the Son. At the end of human history, when the Son comes to glory with all of redeemed humanity, He gives us all, as it were, as a love gift to the Father who gave us all as a love gift to the Son.
You’re just awakening to the fact that this is an impossible reality to explain. But it’s no more impossible than infinity or eternity. Can you think of endless, something that’s endless? No. I mean, you can understand the concept, but you can’t fathom it in your mind. You can’t comprehend eternity. It’s a concept that’s beyond our capability as space/time creatures. Nor can we understand the nature of God as eternal and, as one, and yet three distinct persons.
So, what we say about that is, you can’t figure it out. You simply take it as it comes in scripture. And, clearly, there are three members of the Trinity. There is the Father, there’s the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Why is the son called the Son? For one primary reason, and that is because He bears the same nature as the Father. It is to make sure that we understand. It’s a concession to us as human beings because the Father didn’t create the Son. There never was a time when there was only a Father until He had a son, and there was never a mother. Those are simply terms to identify, and they did so for the Jewish mind, “shared nature.” A son bears the nature of His Father. And, that is simply a way for God to establish that the nature of Jesus Christ is the same as the nature of God. When you’re in the Old Testament and there is a text or passages about God, when you see Him as Father in the Old Testament, you see Him as Father of the nation Israel because He brought the nation into existence. Or, you see Him as Father of mankind because He created mankind. But, when you come to the New Testament, God is identified as the God and Father of our Lord, Jesus Christ, not to indicate that God created Him, or brought Him into existence, like He did Israel and the human race, but to indicate that He is of the same nature. And, Jesus defined that very clearly when he said, “If you’ve seen me, you’ve seen the Father. I and the Father are one. I work and the Father works, and there’s no difference.” So you can read books on the Trinity. There’s some wonderful things that have been written on the Trinity. There are some big books and some little books that do their best with the Trinity, and at the end of the day, you know what happens? All you can do is take the passages about the Father, line ’em up and explain ’em. Take the passages about the Son, line ’em up and explain ’em. Take the passages about the Spirit, line ’em up and explain ’em. And, you find a lot of overlap because when one works, the other works, and it still will never explain the impossible mystery of how He can be one and three at the same time.
/sgn
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Julita says:
Mohammed Khafi:
Thanks for your clarification. I know that you know better than what you wrote. That was why I was surprised. It is not an easy discussion but we did a good job but went out of the context of the title so I went back to the women “Hizbut Tahrir”.Additional for SGN. Read good books, get together for talks, there are so many things which one can do and persist. We can read on and on, but don’t forget to pray for guidance. It is a very rich and beautiful Faith not as antique and dull as they say.
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Grace and Mercy says:
Like I said in my previous post dear Julita: I am just trying to explaing the concept (my understanding, and i know it’s the right understanding) of the Trinity in the simplest form of language in laymen’s term.
The bottomline is it’s doesn’t matter how much knowledge and how eloquent one can explain this concept, or how much Theology one can acquire. What matters is the matters of the heart.
To everyone here:
I am saved! Saved not because of my religion. Not because my religion is Christianity or Catholicism, because I know religion can’t save me.
But because I have Christ who has given me a new birth.
And because of Christ I have DIRECT access to the Father, the power of the Holy Spirit to live a Spirit-led life on this earth, AND I definitely know where I am going later after life on earth. WOW! What a promise I have from Him.
One thing I do want to work on, is how to share the good news, my life testimony of what Christ has done for me, so others can hear about Him and be saved too.
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MK:
Ah, but he wasn’t mortal just like one of us. He experienced an agonizing death on the cross. He sure died but He rose again. The last part which no one else has ever acomplished. That’s why He’s able to offer eternal life to those who believe in Him.
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Hassan says:
Andrew: After reading your post (albeit belatedly), I found that we are actually on the same wavelength on those subjects. I too had thought thoroughly about some of those matters, and still felt awed and humbled whenever I thought about it. For example:
you said, “They (humans) can become beasts as well as angels, if you’d like”I often asked, of all of God’s creation why did He only gave humans (and djinns) the luxury of freedom of choice? What’s His reason for doing that? Did he not have angels who always worshiped Him sincerely and followed His every command? What is His intentions in creating this creature named humans who had this tendency to disobey?
But I came to the conclusion that He wanted to see what this human creature will do, after He created them, gave them what they needed to survive, and gave them proper instructions in order to fulfill their mission in life (through His Scriptures). What will they do in His ‘absence’ (although He never did go anywhere). Would they be successful or fail in their mission, which is to ‘find’ Him (using religion as the map)?
“We’re not yet what God intended us to be.”
I asked my self, what did God intended us to do? To glorify Him? The angels and the entire universe continuously glorify Him all the time. To take care of this planet? He can manage that Himself, if He can manage the universe easily then the earth is a piece of cake. I found that one of the reason is so we can appreciate His graciousness and feel His love for us.
But after I looked around and see how we kill each other everyday, manipulate, cheat, destroy, steal, lie, etc. I failed to see the love that He gave us on each and every one of us. I failed to see humans properly using the gifts He had gave us or showing gratitude to The Being that had given us everything. So, what did God intended us to be? Seeing all of our current achievements (the goods and the bads), I felt that we have not yet fulfilled our mission and be what God intended us to be.
“How do the cells in our nose know they should grow in that shape? why don’t we grow limbs on our head? ever wonder why different kinds of bacteria exist?”
And indeed how do every atoms in this universe know what to do or where to spin?
How does each and every cells know when they should divide? Yes, those are awe inspiring things whenever we thought about God: How did He manage all of that in the same time?“I prefer to approach it differently, and appreciate science as a way God gives us to understand his creations. Science and faith complement each other.”
I couldn’t have agreed more. Honestly, I always wondered why some people kept on insisting that science contradicts religion? While we all know that every form of knowledge came from God, so how can they say the two form of knowledge from the same source could contradict? Pardon me for asking, but why was that sentiment more prevalent in the Christian countries?
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Andrew says:
Hi Hassan,
The answer to your last question is -in my opinion- not directly related to Christianity itself. As we know, most of countries that are scientifically advanced are also secular countries – where atheisism is not seen as taboo, and where belief in God is left to be dealt with at individual level. As a result, they have a fair number of people who choose not to believe in God, and unfortunately, some of them are scientists. These are people who have the advantage to use their capacity and discovery as a vehicle to convince people that God doesn’t exist.
(Fortunately) there are always people who oppose that view, and I believe by far the opinion of the general public is favorable (i.e. they do not see contradiction between science & faith).
Just my 2 cents…
p.s. I believe you are well aware of the fact that in the middle ages the church itself condemned scientific discoveries for fear that it would erode people’s faith. Many, including Galileo, fell victim to that treatment. Thank God it didn’t last, and the view has been revised since.
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“I believe you are well aware of the fact that in the middle ages the church itself condemned scientific discoveries for fear that it would erode people’s faith”
Perhaps that terrible past had made scientists a bit skeptical towards religion, and vice versa.
I am just a bit worried about the general notion in some modern western countries that says science contradicts religion.
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Perhaps that terrible past had made scientists a bit skeptical towards religion, and vice versa.
That might as well be the case, but it might not be the only reason. I think the fact that they are free to say whatever they want plays an important role here. A lot of scientists around the world may have the same thoughts, but not all of them are as free to talk their minds.
I am just a bit worried about the general notion in some modern western countries that says science contradicts religion.
To be honest, I have not seen or hear that many scientists that explicitly contradict their findings with religion. A lot of them present their discoveries as a factual findings, which I believe is the right way to do it because otherwise we’ll be mixing science and religion again, and we won’t see any advances in this area.
I happen to personally know a professor who is a very devout, religious man, but when he talks about his view in the academic arena he completely takes off this spiritual hat and put on his scientist hat. Taken literally, what he says as a scientist or academician clearly disproves the bible, but I doubt many people look at it that way anymore (although I’m sure there are some people who want others to think that way).
Interesting subject.
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Julita wrote:
Additional for SGN. Read good books, get together for talks, there are so many things which one can do and persist. We can read on and on, but don’t forget to pray for guidance. It is a very rich and beautiful Faith not as antique and dull as they say.
Thanks for your suggestion.
But sometimes, I also read ‘bad books’, so then I can understand other thoughts. 🙂Grace and Mercy wrote:
I am saved! Saved not because of my religion. Not because my religion is Christianity or Catholicism, because I know religion can’t save me.
I agree 100% with you. The religions and rituals do not matter. As long as you have Jesus Christ in your heart, you are my brothers and sisters in Christ.
I have been attending a Sunday service, the preachers there never undermine other denominations.
According to Richard Foster, the streams of Christian Faith are:
– The Evangelical Tradition (The Word-Centred Life)
– The Incarnational Tradition (The Sacremental Life)
– The Social Justice Tradition (The Compassionate Life)
– The Contemplative Tradition (The Prayer-Filled Life)
– The Holliness Tradition (The Virtuous Life)
– The Charismatic Tradition (The Spirit-Empowered Life)/
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Dimp says:
Why do we have to fight against each other? And again due to one Indonesian, the people will perceive Indonesia as a radical Islamic country.
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,21131077-29277,00.html?from=public_rss
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SGN: But sometimes, I also read ‘bad books’, so then I can understand other thoughts
That is good once we are really mature in our religion.
I would not read Da Vinci Code for entertainment but read so that I can teach others and discuss about it.
If somebody make a bad video/tell lies about my parents for sure I get upset, Jesus is our lord. -
Hi Julita,
I would not read Da Vinci Code for entertainment but read so that I can teach others and discuss about it.
Da Vinci Code is a “fiction” book, its main purpose is solely for entertainment. Teaching others based on “fiction” will just mis-informed others.
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Julita, I haven’t read the book, but I enjoyed watching Da Vinci Code. It is certainly entertaining, but we shouldn’t take it seriously – definitely not serious enough to make me question my faith.
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Hi Andrew,
I read the book a couple of times, thus did not quite enjoy watching the movie.
Apparently Dan Brown made a few mistakes while writing the book, from what I can remember is that when Robert Llangdon and Sophie purchased a ticket from a station in France to deceive the police, the station actually doesn’t sell that particular ticket, the French version ammended this mistake.
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Dimp Says:
Da Vinci Code is a “fiction” book, its main purpose is solely for entertainment. Teaching others based on “fiction” will just mis-informed others.
Andrew Says
Julita, I haven’t read the book, but I enjoyed watching Da Vinci Code. It is certainly entertaining, but we shouldn’t take it seriously – definitely not serious enough to make me question my faith.
Great folks if you enjoy the book/movie, it is your choice. We just have different kind of likes and dislikes. What I mean by teaching is telling the truth/showing where to find it and not blindly follow (hm sorry) that s.t.u.p.i.d. who was making things.
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Hi Julita,
I don’t regard Dan Brown as a stupid person, he’s making millions surely he is far from stupid. But I do regard people who refer to Da Vinci Code as a non-fiction book as stupid. It is like watching Spiderman movie and then think he/she has the same superpower, or jumping out of tall building thinking he/she is Superman.
Dan Brown did use some facts of history that he twists and changes to fit into the story, all in all, a very good and clever effort, but still it doesn’t change the fact that the whole book is fiction, and he never claimed that the book is otherwise.
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Dimp Says:
I don’t regard Dan Brown as a stupid person, he’s making millions surely he is far from stupid.
Of course, of course he is smart because like you said he has lots of money, rich and he refer to Christians, try another religion then he will regret it.
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Tomaculum says:
🙂
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Julita wrote:
If somebody make a bad video/tell lies about my parents for sure I get upset, Jesus is our lord.
In my opinion, “upset” is a normal reaction.
try another religion then he will regret it.
I am glad that we, Christians, could control ourselves.
I would refer to this …
Matthew 26
Then they came and took hold of Jesus and arrested him. But one of those with Jesus grabbed his sword, drew it out, and struck the high priest’s slave, cutting off his ear. Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back in its place! For all who take hold of the sword will die by the sword. Or do you think that I cannot call on my Father, and that he would send me more than twelve legions of angels right now?
sgn
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Hi Julita,
Of course, of course he is smart because like you said he has lots of money, rich and he refer to Christians, try another religion then he will regret it.
Probably, because nobody will be quite as interested to buy the books, so he would not get as much money as he did with the Da Vinci Code. But if you are referring to the writing of “Satanic Verses” by Salman Rushdie, I don’t think he has any regrets, he’s got free exposure to the world because of the fatwa, he is more famous then when he wrote that book, he is still writing books you know, and dating hot chicks as well.
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Still, Rushdie has to be careful where he goes and perhaps with guards. Perhaps, he is lucky, yes, that he is still around.
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Ihaknt says:
he is still writing books you know, and dating hot chicks as well.
Dimp, I can sense jealousy here.
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Dimp, I can sense a jealousy here hehehe.
Yep, I sure am jealous not being able to write as good as him.
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Ahmed shahi kusuma says:
What the hell those idiot people do? Do they want to make a caliphate state? So what the difference between their commentary on Islam with Stalin’s communism, Bush’s Christianity and Kahanes’s version of Judaism.
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Purba Negoro says:
Did we Javanese Bangsawan and Penjabat NOT warn you Indonesia cannot be a democracy for precisely these reasons?
Did I not tell you these “wong cilik’ NEED to be ruled. They are infantile, immature and regressive.
Furthermore they are Sumateran- what else to be expected from all Malay and Arab Islamist money flowing in?
But No- stupid, mincing, pandering, appeasers and moral onanist Western demand democracy as part of his imaginary White Man’s Burden (ignoring obvious economic motives).
The West is ALSO to blame.
Had the Weest not interfered with matters they are completely ignorant of- Pak Suharto would have eradicated these anti-Indonesian utter lumpenproles.These idiots are the best argument against DEMOCRACY IN INDONESIA.
Since Idiot Westerner help create situation- idiot Westerner bedazzled by Mochtar Riady and other Chinese Snake-Oil Sellers and sob-story- HELP FIX IT. -
DXP says:
Chinese Snake-Oil Sellers and sob-story
there must be the snake’s javanese corruptor friends who knew the ‘Pertamina’s sistim arus minyak’ , the timing, volume, ETA, grades by which pipes because the oil pipe’s valves can not be automatically opened by those chinese little snakes unless the javanese $$ alligators do not nod his head ‘asal bapak juga dapat’
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Hi Julita,
I was not suggesting that you were blindly following your teachers, that was a thought for all people who read these comments, many of us here are using our reasoning and thought to establish what we believe to be our own way to God, the fact that we have different paths and can still accept the way of the others shows that we have in some way or another accepted what God is trying to teach us.
I didn’t mean to say that Jesus was an ordinary man, I was refering to the fact that he was mortal like us ordinary people, I apologise for my poor phrasing of that sentence. Jesus was far from ordinary, as you say “Such a beautiful teaching, humble, charity, give the other cheek (ha, ha people do not understand this either), the endless forgiving etc.” All of us can benefit from his teachings for sure.
Peace