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9:17 pm
March 8, 2010
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Stefan
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Hello everybody, I'm a bule man from Germany and I have a girlfriend from Malang. We want to marry in Indonesia as soon as paperwork is finished. We are protestant by religion.
To get our marriage registered I will need a single certificate from my embassy. To get this paper the German authorities want a legaliced birth certificate and single certificate of my gf. We have already the birth certificate but get stuck with the single certificate. The marriage Office in Malang has given her a letter named surat keterangan dari orang tua which must be signed by her mother. But we want to marry against the will of her family. I have read in this forum that this is possible but don't know how to cercumvent this requirement. My gf asked at the marriage office and they took the letter. Two days later she got it back from the head of the marriage office and he told her that circumvention is not possible. She thinks that her mother has bribed someone of this office to block marriage.
So what can we do now? Who does provide professional help in Malang?
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9:50 am
March 9, 2010
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Patung
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Stefan said:
To get our marriage registered I will need a single certificate from my embassy. To get this paper the German authorities want a legaliced birth certificate and single certificate of my gf.
I'm a bit surprised that the German embassy requires a certificate that says your wife is not married, considering that the marriage is to take place in Indonesia not Germany, seems odd as I'm pretty sure the Australian embassy didn't require anything like that when I did it but well maybe they just have different rules.
I can't offer any specific solution, I suppose unless you haven't done it already you can just try to press the official in Malang….but surely there's a way,…. no there's got to be a way, if he doesn't buy that then I don't know. Run off to another country to do it? Not sure.
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10:07 pm
March 10, 2010
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marjinal
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Run of to another country won`t do the job because the german civil office (or the embassy if you`re a german but live in an other country but only then) won`t give you the letter of no impedement for marriage if you can`t show them the letters froms your wife to be. It´s not as easy as for Australians. The german bureocracy is really something else. Maybe if you´re girlfriend moves to another kacamatan and you try it there will do the job…or some "silaturahmi" from your side.
But better describe your case better ( for example: do you live right now in indonesia? ) cause it`s hard to help if there`s still some questions like this
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11:46 am
March 11, 2010
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bs
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If you want to register your marriage in youw Western home country, you _must_ consult with your embassy in the country were you intend to marry first. The will issue you a letter that states that there are you are legally allowed to marry accroding to the rules in your home country.
Since poligamy is not allowed in Western countries, the marriage can only be legal if both man and woman are single, that's why they ask for a "single certificate". This is done for all European countries, and I really doubt that it's any different in the colonies (Australia).
My wife is from Malang, and we needed the same letter. There is no parent signature involved, someone is definately lying to you. It's just a letter from the municipality (Lurah level) stating that she is not married. Note that you have to translate and legalise it first before your embassy accepts it.
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6:02 pm
March 13, 2010
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Patung
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BS, okay I checked, this is what the Australian embassy requires from citizens planning to marry an Indonesian:
In order for an Australian citizen to marry in Indonesia, it is necessary to make an application at the Embassy for a Certificate of No Impediment to Marriage.
To obtain a Certificate you need to:
- apply in person at the Embassy during office hours (see also below)
- sign an application form in front of a Consular Officer (ie, the Australian applicant to do)
- show original passport as proof of identity
- provide original proof of dissolution of marriage / marriages (if any)
In most cases the Certificate can be issued while you wait.
So I don't see anyhing like what the Germans seem to want. If the Indonesian authorities recognise the marriage as valid, then other countries will normally be bound to accept that, there's no need to do double checks here, because the Indonesians already require that the woman prove she is single…
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4:05 pm
March 14, 2010
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bs
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Patung,
It does seem Australia differs on the policy here. The reason the (or most) European countries ask these extra certificates is poligamy. It used to be that poligamic marriages could not be done in Europe, but if you were already married to several wives in another country, the European governments accepted that. The consequences were that you could get social benefits for all your wives.
Although it's still not possible to de-validate a marriage of another country in that other country (unless you're the U.S. maybe), European governments decided that poligamy is not ok and they should at least prevent their own citizens from having more than one wife. How can you check his? Well, you can ask the prospective spouse to prove he or she is single (also, in most European countries it's no longer possible to get benefits for more than one wife. the Netherlands has done this, U.K. is about to do this or has just arranged it). Of course this is not the perfect solution (think corruption), but it's a start.
This is all quite recent and maybe that's the reason Australia hasn't picked up on this yet. My Ozzie and Kiwi friends tell me "progress" takes about a year to get to the colonies ;-) It could of course also be that you guys are ok with and don't see any problems.
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