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10:21 am
August 4, 2009


cycleman

Abangan

posts 5

Hi all,

My name is Mark and I will be visiting Indonesia in Sept.  I found this site while doing a little research and I have to say it has been an eye opener in many ways.  The personalities here are refreshing and the banter is lively and intelligent.  Even when there are skirmishes (like the Ross and Achmad insult battle) it is generally good natured, despite the sometimes passionate differences of opinion. 

I do have a few questions, though, particularly about what I need to do regarding a visa for entry.  I will be flying into Jakarta from the US and although a friend who travels the world far more than I do assures me that I don't need a visa beforehand, I am reluctant to just arrive at customs empty handed. 

My question, then, is do I need to have a visa to visit (I will be there for 10 days) before I arrive, or can I purchase it once I get there?

My visit is personal and I will be traveling alone.  Also, what else do I need to be mindful of when traveling to Indo from the US?  Should I leave my laptop computer at home?  Is it wise to bring a less expensive camera, or should I bring my Nikon DSLR?  Will my cell phone work over there?  My carrier is AT&T and it is supposed to be a World Phone, whatever that means. 

Thanks in advance for any replies and my very best wishes to all.  Indonesia is an unappreciated treasure on the world stage and her people are a huge part of that. 

Mark

10:50 am
August 4, 2009


Patung

Guest

Hi Mark, getting a 30 day visa is no problem upon arrival, it costs $25 for the 30-day visa and $10 for the 7-day visa I think, cash only, having a visa before you got here might just mean less queuing but that's all.

I can't see any reason why you wouldn't bring your laptop, etc, have to be careful with stuff like that anywhere you are, not just here, but seriously, you're worrying too much about it….

Cell phone, I'd assume it would work here but not the expert there…

11:03 am
August 4, 2009


cycleman

Abangan

posts 5

Thanks Patung!  You do a fantastic job with this site, by the way.  I am really impressed.  Indonesia is very diverse, and you manage this little online community very well indeed.  I have leaned more about the "real" Indonesia from this this forum than from any other source.  An interesting blend of traditional and contemporary values and characteristics. 

Thanks again.

8:08 pm
August 8, 2009


adika

Guest

Thank for the information, it's usefull for us when visit indonesia

9:41 am
September 2, 2009


cycleman

Abangan

posts 5

So, I am preparing for my trip to Indonesia and finally tell my ex about my plans.  She is one of the most germ phobic people in a country (U.S.) of germ phobic people.  So, now I am assaulted with her paranoia about all the diseases I could get and bring back here.  Not that she really cares about me, but we do have two young children and she is hanging this potential threat to them over my head.  I suppose that is my mistake for even telling her about my trip, but that is another story.  My real concern is that I don't really share her germ phobic nature, but I don't want to be stupid either.  As a result of our recent phone conversation I went to the CDC (Centers for Disease Control) website and looked up the recommendations for those traveling to Indonesia.  To say it was somewhat alarming would be an understatement.  Here is an abbreviated list of what they suggest you be prepared to deal with:

  • Hepatitis A & B
  • Typhoid
  • Rabies (?)
  • Japanese encephalitis
  • Malaria
  • Yellow fever
  • Dengue fever
  • Chikungunya
  • Filarsiasis
  • Plague (WTF????)
  • H5N1 (avian flu)

Ok, some of those are remote risk depending on where you go in Indonesia,  but it is a bit overwhelming when taken at face value.  So I called a local travel medicine clinic to ask about getting a few of the vaccinations, and as an example the price of the typhoid vaccine was about $130 USD.  Yellow fever and Hepatitis B were each about $80.  Then there is the Malaria treatment, which I didn't even get a price on.  She also mentioned worms (at this point I'm ready to tell her to get bent.  It wouldn't be the first time….) and that they are a problem in Jakarta.  Also there is the supposed issue that all medical facilities in Indonesia are substandard and that, according to her, I would be better off going to Singapore if I needed any treatment whatsoever. 

 

Now I realize that all this, in it's totality, is absurd.  What I need to know is what to disregard (perhaps all of it) and what to actually prepare for.  Honestly?  I don't want to get any of the vaccines, unless I perceive there is really a credible threat to my health, and as a result, a threat to the health of my kids when I return.  If there are any expats that can provide some guidance based on experience it would be greatly appreciated.  And for that matter, advice or observations from anyone who is either a native Indonesian or someone who has visited would be super.  I will be spending a couple of days in Jakarta, 5 days in Gili and a couple of days in Semarang.

 

Please forgive the astronomical number of health threats listed here.  It is not my nature to be afraid of bugs.  But as I stated previously, I don't want to be stupid either.  I am leaving in about 16 days, so my preparation is quite delayed for this kind of thing (I honestly didn't think it was a serious consideration until now, perhaps THAT was stupid). 

 

You folks on this site have taught me more, in the last few months I have been lurking here, about Indonesia than any other source.  Again, I appreciate Patung's effort to administer this site.  You rock!

 

Mark

10:59 pm
September 2, 2009


Patung

Guest

Post edited 10:48 pm – September 2, 2009 by Patung


Well you know how to push my buttons….but I'm afraid I have a general disregard for health issues so may not be much help. Before I came over 10 years ago I went to the doctor and he gave me a shot, I think it was for one of the Hepatituses, and he told me to get a booster shot in 12 months time and then I would be covered for life, but I never got that shot.

He looked in a book, and said there was malaria in some places and asked would I be going to those places and I wasn't sure so he gave me some malaria tablets. When I arrived here the people who I stayed with laughed very hard when I showed them my malaria tablets and said I'd wasted my money – I never took them.

I did know of somebody though who visited a very remote beach in Lombok and got malaria in the brain -  he was airlifted to Singapore but died – however Gili is on the tourist trail…..

If your'e only here for 10 days not sure I'd worry, possibly consider lying to your ex, tell her you went to the doctor and had 17 different injections and are now armor plated but all those injections may cause you to act a bit weird for the next few days…

Plus you'll probably be staying in nice hotels and eating nice food so on the whole i think your chances of getting anything are pretty darn low.

Worms – yes, take Combantrin.

There is dengue fever in Jakarta, for one, but the season for it is November – May.

The others, I really don't know,you might want to look here – http://www.expat.or.id/info/in…..tml#Health although it all looks a little over anxious to me..

4:17 am
September 3, 2009


Odinius

Santri

posts 66

Dude,

Get all the shots and get malarone for malaria.  Take it anytime you are outside of Java or Bali.  You do NOT want malaria, and until you build up certain antibodies from being there a while, you will be comparably more attractive to the mosquitos than a native or old hand. 

11:30 am
September 3, 2009


Baeksu

Santri

posts 19

I went to Papua New Guinea a few years ago and took anti-malarial pills just to be safe. It was no big deal and there were no side effects apart from maybe burning a bit more easily in the sun. If you are going to a remote high-risk area, just taking anti-malarial pills will give you better peace of mind if nothing else.

1:14 pm
September 3, 2009


Dragonwall

Santri

posts 58

For Anti Malaria the best is QUININE.  Malaria mosquito occurs during the hours of 6 – 7 am and these mosquitoes lives off clean and not dirty water.  Especially golf course, swimming pools spas.  These are areas that attract such mosquitoes where they breed.

Remember when you were bitten by such mosquitoes the cold you can feel that from your heart and the fever is anything between 39 – 43 degrees.

First aid.  Anti biotics.  If your blood has a trace of 200,000 ppm of the virus you are in plastic bags.

I didn't know I was bitten by mosquito and had dengue fever once after playing golf around 6 am.

I experience cold and high fever for 1 week.  when I return to jakarta doctors had to take my blood and need 3 days for result.  When I return the doctor immediately told me to be admitted.  My blood had trace of over 200,000 ppm and my fever is 42.5 and I am fortunate to be alive.

Imagine my wife had to use the hairdryer on top of 4 layers of clothing and a thick blanket can' even drive away the cold inside my body.

After 6 days on drip and spending 11 mil in hospital bill at that time the exchange was 1025 = 1 USD i recover.

Remember after you recover nothing you eat will be taken in by the body.  You tend to vomit everything you eat except one thing. DURIAN. High fiber and High glucose.  Because of that I became a diabetic.  SO BE VERY CAREFUL.

2:26 pm
September 3, 2009


oztrack

Perth Australia

Santri

posts 15

Ah, here is my chance to air my opinion at last!!

I have been coming to Indonesia since 2004 and so far have spent the last 4 out of 5 months there, I have just returned from 2 months in W.Kalimantan, where my partner lives. She is now studying in China, but that is another story.

I have only been sick while in Jakarta, where I rarely stay more that 4 or 5 days. The problem there is pollution and smoking. I actually find that I succumb to flu when I return to Australia, which is ironic.

On my first visit to Sumatra, I took malaria tablets, which cost me a fortune, but since then, though I have been in Java, Sumatra and Kalimantan, I have not bothered. Maybe it will catch up with me one day.

Apart from that and carrying anti-diarrhia tablets and anti-biotics, I have not been concerned. Maybe I've been lucky! But I've lived in a wide variety of situations and places (rarely expensive hotels, let me assure you).

So, Mark, dont worrytoo much about the scary medical opinions, as long as you are fairly healthy to start with, especially in view of the places you are visiting. As far as mosquitos are concerned, be sensible and cover your skin if you feel concerned.

2:38 pm
September 3, 2009


cycleman

Abangan

posts 5

Should I buy the anti-malaria tablets here in the states, or when I get there?  I assume it would be better to get them at home, but I could be wrong.

DW – what time of year was it when you got the Dengue fever?  Was it the rainy season?

Oztrack – When you say the antimalaria tablet cost a fortune, what kind of fortune are we talking about here?  Just out of curriosity.  I'm not the wealthy variety of bule.  ;)

Mark

7:30 pm
September 3, 2009


Baeksu

Santri

posts 19

When you say the antimalaria tablet cost a fortune, what kind of fortune are we talking about here?  Just out of curriosity.  I'm not the wealthy variety of bule.

They are not normally expensive. There are many types but here you can see a 7-week course is only 13 quid.

http://www.chemistdirect.co.uk…..10657.html

I bought mine Down Under and they were quite cheap. Didn't catch anything after two weeks in PNG, either.

12:59 am
September 4, 2009


Dragonwall

Santri

posts 58

Should I buy the anti-malaria tablets here in the states, or when I get there?  I assume it would be better to get them at home, but I could be wrong.

QUININE IS NEVER EXENSIVE.  Itis even heaper in Indonesia.

DW – what time of year was it when you got the Dengue fever?  Was it the rainy season?

No, not during rainy season.

As for this guy who says that  it cost a fortune on medication shows the person doesn't know what he is talking.

To me it cost a fortune is because I am a foreigner working for a foreign PMA compay.  Definitely I was told to admit into the best.  I owned several houses in Jakarta at that time at yet we stayed in 5 star hotel.

So just don't let someone influence you in what the so call exorbitant medical bill.  That guy is located in a far to reach area so he might no know too much.

Besides the QUININE you could also buy those mosquito repellant to apply on as a precaution.

Antibiotics is helpful for reducing infection and fever.  If your doctor says you are not suitable for antibiotics then don't use i.

Oztrack

1:11 am
September 4, 2009


Dragonwall

Santri

posts 58

Oh one more thing.  There are people who really feels that they have been in this country for few years and consider that they knew very much aut this country.

I have a niece's whose daughter died because of dengue fever.  A normal person who is relatively healthy may also be succumbed by this fever.  Sharing an opinion is not scary.  But those who have not experience it and telling others not to be wary is a more scary thing.  No one can predict what will happen anywhere any plce.

Like I say, if you are unaware  and when a relatively healthy person being bitten by mosquito and is infected then your healthy body does not mean a thing at all.

At that time I was all healthy and because I was extremely fit with a constant body temperature of 39.2 therefore the 43 degrees fever meant nothing to me.

In a usual person 39 degree already is a high fever to a number f people and anything arond 40 – 41 is sure near death bed.

9:11 am
September 4, 2009


BrotherMouzone

Santri

posts 21

So look; a little perspective. You have to consider the odds and what you define to be an acceptable risk.

Bear in mind that the example above is somebody who lived in Indonesia for, I'm guessing, over 10 years and caught dengue once. That's probably a fairly typical rate of infection so do the maths and figure out just how small the odds of you contracting it in 10 days are. Same goes for Malaria. Same goes for pretty much everything on that list you were given. Not impossible, but bloody unlikely.

I'm not saying that you shouldn't be careful; (Clean, sealed Aqua, only eating hot cooked food, slapping on a bit of mosquito repellent, etc) but don't let it interfere with your enjoyment of this awesome country. 

1:14 pm
September 4, 2009


cycleman

Abangan

posts 5

DW – Thanks again.  I feel better about the malaria prevention as I will simply get the Quinine and some repellent.  I will also bring some anti-biotics, just in case.

BrotherM – Yes, I was getting a bit overwhelmed, and not the least of it was because of the combination of the ex and the CDC website.  She would like nothing better than to sabotage any chance of my happiness whenever possible.  Also, being a germ phobic person she would really rather I didn't go at all, because now she will have to sterilyze the house every time I step foot in the door.  I am so much looking forward to my visit and I am just not going to buy into her propoganda at this point.  You can not believe the things she is telling me.  For example she tells me that 90% of the population of Indonesia has Hepatitus C.  And that I might as well accept that I will get it too.  That I am shortening my life expectancy to visit my girlfriend and likely my future wife.  And it goes on and on. 

I'm going to be smart and prepared,  but I intend to fully enjoy my trip.  Thanks to all who have responded. 

Mark

11:35 am
March 15, 2010


kpsmay30

Guest



 
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