You are expecting another child from an Australian and another fathered by an American.

Both of them are liable for child support.  This will end until a decision is made to either one or others who is willing to tie the knot with you.  The newly wed shall then be :

For the Australian he will have to be the step father to one of your child and similarly the other way round.

As for the person other then these two, he will step father the two bearing all the responsibilities.

You can't lie to any of those you intend to.  A touch DNA can prove something let alone a full DNA test.  Therefore forget the idea of lying.

The child of these two father shall be holding the nationality of their father unless you file a restraining order and you are willing to carry the full burden in upbringing the children.

You have every right to name them as biological father and apply a court order in their country to have them accept the responsibilities in either way, provide child support or have them taking care of the child.

If you marry someone now and things doesn't work out, you are every which way but lose.

Tell you something about the attitudes of these people.  When both of you are not married they can do whatever they like not to own the child or provide any child.  Typical.  Do you know how much is to a child support until they are 21 or when you remarry? Approximately 20 to 25000 USD a year.

Take your pick but make the right decision.

j said:

Hi there,

I'm Indonesian, expecting a child out of wedlock located in Jakarta. The father of my child is an Australian, and he clearly told me he didn't want the child and didn't want to have anything to do with me (and the child) anymore.

I have a daughter who is also out of wedlock, and understand it's hard for her to grow up here in Indonesia with her status. Her father, who is an American, was my fiance until we seperated before we knew I was pregnant. But once he knew he'd been supportive and accepted her and they have a great father-daughter relationship. 

Now that I've seen how difficult it is for my daughter, I really don't think it's a good idea to give birth my future son without a father. My daughter's father offers me a marriage so that the child will have a father's name on his birth certificate. I can't think of any other way to save my future child… so I'm thinking about this option.

But here's my concern. Say I decide to marry him. Just in case… things turn bad in the future, and say we seperate for some reasons, will he has the same right as my child's biological father? I don't mind if we raise the kids together, it's just, I'm afraid if he goes back to his country and take the kids with him, since he's financially more stable than me right now. And about citizenship. If we got married, will my future son adopt US citizenship or can I just keep his Indonesian citizenship? Will it help if we make somekind of prenup, that he doesn't need to support the child financially, so he doesn't have full right of the child if we decide to seperate? He also had an intention to adopt our daughter, to legalize it on the paper. Will it make any difference to her? I don't think they will change what's written in the birth certificate, right? Will it change her nationality? Will it be an advantage for her that she is adopted? For your information, now he doesn't pay child support since I decline the offer. Then he puts the money under her name that she can use once she becomes an adult. Will this help him if he wants to obtain full custody through the court?

And another thing, I know there's no slightest chance that this will happen, but just in case, the biological father was struck by lightning and all of sudden he decides he is ready to become a father, will he have the right? I keep all the emails and text massages he sent (too bad I didn't record our conversation that he wanted me to have an abortion and all :p), will this help to stop him from seeing his child? Can I just lie that this isn't his child? Can I stop him from asking a DNA test? Does it help that the child is carrying different family name? If this will be done in court, will it be done in my country where I reside or his?

I know I sound cruel asking all these questions. But my father can take away my daughters for excuses he made up and I'm not allowed to see them until I can show a salary receipt which can cover their monthly expenses, after he closed down my business. I do think people can do anything to make others suffer, or to get whatever they want.

If you know where I can find the info regarding to this matter, that would be great too (I can't afford to pay anything right now tho.

Take the advice of a lawyer – a proper legal sort of lawyer, not a barrack room lawyer.

I also find it very hard to believe that you are Indonesian Indonesian.

So why do you bother tendering an opinion? are you qualified as a lawyer?

Her english is fifty times better thans yours, leading to suspect that she may not be all Indo, could her nationality have some effect on the outcome of this? Yes, DW, it could. You may also note that having a child outside of wedlock in Indo is nothing something to be taken lightly, but two of them, to different (bule) fathers? now that is quite something, though this is her business of course. I think that there may be a little more to the story don't you?

You're right in your last sentence though, run off now, there's a good chap.

I take this as your last straw.  We I hve never made any claims that my english is better than anyone, but looking at some of your comments closely show that you are no better than mine.  You have been constantly reminded that you are SAD.

Go back to pages and see what's my profession.  Why does a person needs to speculate on others demise.  If you are incapable of doing things, then don't tell others what to do.

The Wijaya and Co site has an article on children born out of wedlock which addresses one or two of your questions; 

http://www.wijayaco.com/index……;Itemid=46

On the Australian side of things, I had an experience with getting Australian citizenship for my daughter last year.  Most of the information isn't on the Australian Embassy webpage, but on the Australian citizenship page: http://www.citizenship.gov.au

It could be difficult.  If I remember correctly… when the parents aren't married 9 months before the baby is born, the Australian Embassy Consular department requires evidence (e.g. photos, letters, etc) that prove that you were in a relationship and an Australian is indeed the father. 

This would be step 2, after the birth certificate (Akte Kelahiran) and before getting an Australian passport and dual citizenship (WNA/WNI).

Good luck.  You can PM me if you need more info.

In addition to my last posting, your child will be eligible for "citizenship by descent", i.e. because one of the parents is Australian.

There is more detail about paperwork, fees, etc., here: http://www.citizenship.gov.au/…..escent.htm