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0:18
Feb 4
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madrotter
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thought some of you here might find this interesting. personally, living here, i find this worrying...
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01.....ndung.html
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7:20
Feb 4
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Patung
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Thanks Mad, I hadn't seen that NYT story, I was going to do a post about that story generaly with the sexy dancers, I'd subtitled it "Is there no longer a place in Indonesia for the freckle faced sexy dancers of the nation" but the freckle faced bit really just didn't work so I gave up.
Saritem, the hotel I stayed at in Bandung was more or less in Saritem, the chinese owner of the hotel said it's still happening there although more low key and prices have gone up because more money has to be paid to the police - there's a police station just about right in the thick of it just into that little road at the side of the King Garden. He said the women cost 200,000-400,000 rupiah and there was an unusual number of 18-21 year olds there which he put down to the hard economic times or something.
I really wish I'd taken a photo of that sign they have on the side of some of the roads in bdg, "Make Bandung a Religious City".
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12:45
Feb 4
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Dikkiman Sujengkol
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Guys, wouldn't necessarily worry about the NYT. You know at least 300% more than that reporter ever will. The NYT has a template set in NY that their reporters are required to fill with whatever material available. In Indonesia, that usually means scouring joyo news or whatever hits the Google search. Then NYT reporter hits the ground, squeezing reality into a pre-set mould.
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14:19
Feb 4
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madrotter
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well i never been into the area itself, loads of little streets but family of my wife have a small backpackers hotel , the moritz very close by... when they closed the place it was closed down by the police WITH the fpi and that wanker mayor. before they closed it the women working there had monthly consultations with doctors after they closed it all the girls were working on the streets, no doctors no nothing. the cops arrest these women then they have 3 days to cough up 3 million and if they don't have that money they are send to these "re-education" camps for half a year. i shiver just thinking about it. but often the girls go free if they're willing to fuck with all these cops but i guess its only the pretty ones who caN Manage that... the girls coming back from these camps have a deep, deep hate against anything that might be islamic and they're back at what they were doiing before they were send to these (concentration) camps, its all just so typical...
i know a few dutchies that used to go there all the time, what i remember they had 3 different price classes, 150, 100 and 50 thousand rp...
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5:42
Feb 7
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Odinius
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| Santri | posts 57 |
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that's quite a good, and fair article. sums up exactly what's going on in indonesia...a concerted campaign by a "moral minority" to impose its narrowly-defined sense of right and wrong on a larger population, and to do so in the most prudish and self-righteous way possible. this is hardly a phenomenon distinct to islam or indonesia...there are similar movements in the USA from mormons and christian fundamentalists.
the difference is that indonesia is a weaker state, with a weaker tradition of constitutionalism, meaning that there is more room to actually pursue these kinds of agenda successfully.
this:
"We are trying to eliminate the non-Islamic parts of West Java’s traditional culture, to make it more Islamic," Mr. Utsman said. For example, he said that participants at weddings are urged to celebrate by reciting Koranic verses, not by dancing, as is the custom here."
...is vomit-inducing.
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23:43
Feb 9
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madrotter
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thanks odinius, you're right it is vomit inducing.... right now i am in malang and sorry patung i wanted to visit you in surabaya but there just wasn't any time but it looks like i will be visiting quiet often now, in malang but thats close by. i'm still in malang tomorrow me and the group i'm with will go to tangeran. i will write a long piece soon about what i've been doing here, for now, i've been visiting wisma's where they've got loads and loads of handicapped children and grown ups too, i've seen things that i can't describe just right now and for some reason i really connected with the folks overthere. i'm here with people from a dutch organisation that sponsors these projects and they were so impressed with what happened between me and those people that they offered me to start projects in west-java, projects that i will have to run so i will have to go to malang to get lots of training in the upcoming months.. i'm still just too overwhelmed by everything to write more right now but beautiful things are happening... that plus the news last week that my beautiful wife is pregnant, i'm with my head in the clouds...
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4:07
Feb 10
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Patung
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that plus the news last week that my beautiful wife is pregnant, i'm with my head in the clouds...
Congratulations Mad, great news, look forward to your Malang musings.
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4:57
Feb 10
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Odinius
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| Santri | posts 57 |
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malang is one of my favorite places in indonesia: nice climate, nicer people, good food and that fantastic street full of booksellers!
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