Oh dear. I do hope he won't feel left out. He was a bit naughty, and Peter Sondakh is quite a good geezer as he is buying bits of my new Landcruiser every day.

I do hope that Patung is aware that the other little turd is just as capable of doing anti javanese as dear old PN was of doing anti charlie farly.

Odinius said:

It was a bit more than that, and over a long period of time.  

And so was the other little turd, he had quite a history in another place, and the first hint of things getting hot, he used to complain to the mods.

Anyhow, where is my old mate Achmad?

The phrase paper tiger is a literal English translation of the Chinese phrase zhi laohu (紙老虎), meaning something which seems as threatening as a tiger, but is really harmless. The common usage is synonymous with the adjective toothless, meaning ineffective.

The phrase is an ancient one in Chinese, but sources differ as to when it entered the English vocabulary. Although some sources may claim it actually dates back as far as 1850, it seems the Chinese phrase was first translated when it was applied to describe the United States. In 1956, Chairman Mao Zedong, said of the US:

"In appearance it is very powerful but in reality it is nothing to be afraid of, it is a paper tiger. Outwardly a tiger, it is made of paper, unable to withstand the wind and the rain. I believe the United States is nothing but a paper tiger."

I'm not concerned with racism ordinarily unless it's completely over the top and monotonous, I'm far more concerned with juvenile baiting and sniping, which is your problem Suryo, another attempt to wreck a thread here http://www.indonesiamatters.co…..rights-law presently will delete, if you've got nothing useful to say just shut up.

Well you should be concerned with blatent racism, if you'd like a published sample from your mate, PM me, I'll let you into a few secrets. As for shutting up in the face of nasty racism – sorry, I can't do that – you'll see why when you read your messages.

And in the stuff you deleted – I think you'll find that the one sensible bit advice is never to take legal advice from the 'net.

Eh…I replied to this earlier and it disappeared.  Anyways, what I said was:

Indonesia attacking China?  Unthinkable

China attacking Indonesia? More plausible, due to Indonesia's natural resources, but still highly unlikely.  

Hmm…then why bring up China at all?

I doubt there will be an Indonesia vs. Malaysia war, as it would be colossally stupid for both.  Think this thing will end with more rotten eggs being thrown, and not bombs dropped.

But I don't see why Singapore would even get involved if there was, given that Singapore has more problems with Malaysia than Indonesia.

When has Indonesia threatened Singapore?  I remember it seriously threatening Malaysia in the early 1960s, but that was quite a long time ago.  

Second, a paper tiger is a force that appears strong but folds under pressure.  Not sure when that would be, as the only time the US and China fought was in Korea, when a much bigger Chinese force, backed by Soviet air power, pushed a smaller US force back from its initial position.  The only other confrontation, I hate to tell you, occurred in 1995, when China began war gaming around Taiwan.  Enter the US Pacific fleet, and the Chinese suddenly quieted down.  Seems like someone else was the "paper tiger" that time.  

Dragonwall said:

No Singapore and Malaysia.

For China to attack Indonesia, I don't think so.

looking at the situation of macao and HK that were leased and returned to China, now they are after Taiwan and yet they are not taking any kind of forcible attack to (what their so called) regain back Taiwan.  So any posibilities of China attacking Indonesia?

Someone was implying that Indonesia is so strong that they could easily attacked Singapore and Malaysia.  And according to him he was indicating that th Brits and Australians were unlikely to participate during such an incident.

So..did you misread the post!

They won't do that, too many brothers and sisters who are chinese-Indonesians rather than Indonesian-chinese will get nailed to the wall before they get close.

And of course let us not forget that China is in a bit of a hole at the moment have amongst other things purchase huge piles of scrap stainless in a view to pushing up the stainless prices, only no one wants any at the moment – and of course, wars don't come cheap, especially to a false economy.