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11:11 am
August 13, 2009


Dragonwall

Santri

posts 58

You fail to notice something what they call typographical error and quotes.  No wonder there were people out there who always say you were blinded in one eye that you whoever you are can't see straight. 

I am only interested in people who post comments on something that had no basis.  I have literally gone through most of the postings but not making any comments until I notice ths pig man like you a blind man.

1:39 am
August 17, 2009


coolTechno

Guest

singapore is wonderfull :)

3:09 am
August 17, 2009


Odinius

Santri

posts 66

Good points: clean city, efficient governance, good health care, great food, actually inclusive pluralism

Bad points: authoritarian, conformist, vapid

12:41 am
August 26, 2009


enigmatic

Abangan

posts 8

I'm an Indonesian studying in Singapore right now. Been here for 10 years since May riots. Some things I like/dislike about Singapore.

1) The security. In Jakarta my parents won't allow me out from sundown. In Singapore they're more relaxed. Crime rates are one of the lowest in the world and there's no Chinese bashing here (instead, there was perhaps some form of Chinese chauvanism in the past, which I don't quite like though.)

2) The education. Of course I would be biased in talking about this but the Singapore education system is an excellent gateway towards Oxbridge or the Ivy League. Or other UK/US Universities.

But I'm not too happy with these things.

1) The costs of living. Singapore's salaries are high, but relative to her neighbours Singaporeans have lower Purchasing Power Parity. Its salaries are thrice that of Malingsia's, but its PPP is similar. http://temasekreview.com/?p=12170 To make matters worse my dad's earning his wages in Rp and it only adds up to the family burden.

Someone had posted earlier about the resentment of the Singaporean towards the Government. While this does happen, the numbers of people are debatable. Living Costs rise, but the state media have effectively exercised damage control with regards to screw ups like the GIC and Temasek Holdings losses so well that the Government can still be opaque about these GLCs.

Of course, the Minister's salaries are another point in contention. The white horses (aka PAP) have argued that high salaries are an effective deterrent to corruption, but whether or not such high salaries are a form of corruption itself is debatable.

Personally, I'd rather live in Jakarta after my Uni education. The SG Govt has offered me PR and all and I've taken it (and with it bloody National Service which some Singaporean boys resent, for a deluge of reasons from a waste of time in reservist duties to later university education.) But PR is where the line ends. If my sons are born in SG they've got NS too. And judging from sentiments of Singaporeans themselves who want out, I see no reason to become Singaporean.

Indeed, the Rupiah won't be as attractive as compared to SGD, but at least the costs of living are more bearable than in Singapore. More importantly, Indonesia is rising and she needs whatever human capital she can get. I want to do my bit to aid it.

PS: I'm posting in Singapore, hence the ambiguity in my claims. So to the Internet police if you're watching, I LOVE SINGAPORE!

3:57 am
August 27, 2009


Dragonwall

Santri

posts 58

I really think the comparson and your PPP are not realistic.

The cost to live in Jakarta and expenses are not in any way lower than in other countries.

Cost of water supply, electricity and gas are equally as high as other countries.

How about a Starbucks coffee.

Buffet lunch at a hotel

If we compare warung, then there are many road side stalls in Sngapore to compare with.

9:44 am
August 27, 2009


Suryo Perkoso

Santri

posts 61

Try getting you Kijang serviced for 200K in Singers. and not many mines up for grabs down Orchard Rd last time I looked.

6:10 pm
August 27, 2009


enigmatic

Abangan

posts 8

But Dragonwall, in using a Starbucks coffee to compare costs of living in JKT and SG, aren't you contradicting yourself about labelling the PPP as unrealistic?

3:11 am
August 28, 2009


Dragonwall

Santri

posts 58

Contradicting No.  But the basic nowaday's standard of living.  I am sure you overlook the basic necessity like electric, water and gas.

I spend @2 million rupiah for electric in one of my house in Jakarta.  The cost of electricity in my house in US is $30.00

So what kind of standard are you comparing to.

I have a house in Singapore and the cost of electricity is @SGD35.00 per month.

so is the cost standard of living in Jakarta any cheaper on the overall?  Just take a look at educations is good enough.  Or is that you are having a lot of ggod stuffs in Singapore?

And for you C*ckS**k**g Himsy, you don't even have a becak to your name, talking about Kijang what..repair for what..200 K like Kick your arse? The last time you look for your kijang in ORchard Road.  Yeah I did see one next to LKY's house.  You are SAD..  Come spit again and I will make you vomit..

4:05 am
August 28, 2009


diego

Guest

What is wrong with this malaysia-licking chinese singaporean dragie? Swearalotlah.

8:47 am
August 28, 2009


Dragonwall

Santri

posts 58

I think you should look yourself in the mirror and see what is wrong with bule licking MFs like you licking where ever you go when you see my comments.

I don't suppose I need to give an explanation to people like you unless you are prepare to take off your pants.  Then I will show you my pen..

11:19 pm
August 28, 2009


enigmatic

Abangan

posts 8

OK. Need to revise economics myself, but this is what is meant by PPP.

PPP- A method for calculating the correct value of a currency, which may differ from its current market value. It is helpful when comparing living standards in different countries, as it indicates the appropriate EXCHANGE RATE to use when expressing incomes and PRICES in different countries in a common currency.

PPP is the exchange rate that equates the price of a basket of identical traded goods and services in two countries.

From The Economist

You used a cup of Starbucks coffee and buffet lunch at a hotel to compare living standards in Indonesia and SG. And in using electricity bills to compare living standards across both countries,l aren't you contradicting yourself in saying that the PPP is inaccurate?

By the way I'm not too happy with the insults you and diego are throwing at each other. Please keep to the topic. It's pretty taxing and boring watching you two trade barbs at each other and initiating personal attacks. Not very mature.

1:34 am
August 29, 2009


Dragonwall

Santri

posts 58

Answer one of your question.  When Patung says chill, these people does not not when to stop.  So must I?

You see: I am comparing the 2 common things and current ever in life.  Starbucks and buffet everywhere and anywhere.  Just name it.

Would you consider yourself an economist?  OK

1 USD = 13,000 2008.  1 USD = 10,000 mid 2009.

For the last 10 years my electrical bills in Jakarta never goes under 2 million.  The Starbucks coffee price didn't change, so were the buffet.

I am not taking other necessities to compare because they fluctuate so much that no one remembers when was the last hike.

There is a 30% exchange fluctuation and yet the most common things we compare did not even budge a little.  When you take PPP, CPI into consideration, are these rational?

The worst part in Indonesia is that these corrupt workers from PLN, PAM ranked among the worst of the worst.

Give you an example:

A PAM meter reader walk into and look into the meter and makes a note.  then they came back with a bill that differs from what was shown on the meter.  At times more than what it show.  This has been going on for quite a while when complaints were rendered useless.  they don't even care because if you don't pay they cut you off.  The worst part is that they are not giving you the quality water you pay for.  Salt water is what they give you.  Imagine very little water coming out from your faucet that we have to buy tank load of water just for washing.  And yet they called themselve PMA with French loafers.  You know what is a loafer (gangsters).  Maling working with loafers you can imagine what you get.

The other thing. PLN has been going around everywhere checking on all electrical installations.  I have a friend who rented a house and when the PLN guys came they tore off everything and say they stole electricity.  The explanation telling them that they just rented this house went to deaf years.  They were extorted to pay those Indonesian Government endorsed robbers a sum of 25 million rupiahs and to pay them by instalments of 2 million per month.  That is 200 USD per month or face having the electricity cut off.  I told them to buy a genset and fight the case.  The PLN cannot prove they stole electricity!  The only thing is that it was there when they move in, and she could prove that they have just rented the house.

So Indonesia is not what you claimed to be cheaper or a better place.So as you know there are people waiting to stake claims that Indonesia is a safe and better place.

At least in Singapore the price are stable, cost did not went up drastically, no such things as stealing or accuse of stealing electricity.  The currency did not fluctuate much.  The only very little fluctuation is the GDP.

If Indonesian Government were able to have control over several issues, then I may agree with you and not otherwise.

Business people afraid of Robbers and afraid of police, Government afraid of religious leaders and so on.  Religious leaders uses gangsters to back them.  There is simpliy nothing to rely on.

Can you find these kind of things happenning in other countries?

Yeah you might want to forget one thing and that is people who are blinded in one eyes can't see straight.  I am the least bothered of their presence.

10:29 am
October 6, 2009


alisonwhite

New Member

posts 1

Singapore is a great country.. I love it!  Wink

2:05 pm
October 7, 2009


sputjam

Santri

posts 18

Singapore was even better 30 years ago. Everyone understood malay.

Now it is just like another city in China. And more PRC's are encouraged to migrate to fill in the void left by those who left for better opportunities elsewhere, or due to low birth rates of ethnic chinese in Singapore.

Good education? many left for better ones in australia/new zealand/Canada/USA/UK.

Poor singaporeans were forced to sacrifice their kampung lands to build HDB flats. So freehold native land become leasehold apartments. But I have never heard of expensive land being acquired for govenrment projects.  When land are forcibly acquired, they normally pay less than market rates.

4:24 pm
October 9, 2009


BrotherMouzone

Santri

posts 21

With regards to the Cost of Living debate; 

Singapore is an extremely expensive city to live in and in fact ranks number 10 in the world compared to Jakarta's ranking of 34th. (http://www.finfacts.ie/costofliving.htm)

This is based on a theoretical basket of goods, services, and rent of course, as opposed to a random collection of anecdotes and the price of two arbitrarily chosen luxury goods!

Jakarta is getting more costly, though; having moved from 41st place last year…

7:48 am
January 8, 2010


Swagman

New Member

posts 2

Hello BrotherMouzone

US dollar movements have made the FINFACTS report totally out of date. 

By way of example only, FINFACTS says:

"Australia and New Zealand

Cities in this region have taken a significant plunge in the ranking following a dramatic depreciation of the Australian and New Zealand dollars against the US dollar."

 

Incorrect! Aussie dollar today is sitting at 0.9168 USD. The GFC has screwed up everything!

8:19 am
January 8, 2010


Swagman

New Member

posts 2

Oops! sorry, this is an old thread.  Excuse me. I will go back to sleep now :)

9:49 pm
January 11, 2010


firefly

New Member

posts 1

"some tour buses full of be-jilbabed East Javanese Kampung folk on holidays drove slowly along Jl. Pantai so that the occupants could get a good gawk at the semi-naked bush pigs out for their evening promenade"

Very true, reminds me of the coach party tours of Indians in Goa spotting western hippies



 
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