Disband the FPI!
38,000 signatures and counting!
Was going to do a post on that until I realised I’d already done it back in the days when I took news reports seriously, 4 years ago – Banning the FPI, fizzle, fizzle, fizzle…happy to be wrong though.
@ Dirk @ madrotter
Yes this Bali Bollocks site is heavy stuff but undeniably true as to the real nature of what is going on here.
Balibollocks? Oh come now. This site is just the latest incarnation of the fugly bali franchise. The site owner i think is living in spain now after being run out of Indonesia some years ago. Judging by his followers he seems to have attracted the freeshappelle moonbats as well. Take what you read there with a big grain of salt.
Aren’t you a tad too hooked up on Thomas Jefferson? If an organization clearly is intended to disrupt the democratic process and impose self-righteously its agenda to the rest of the population I don’t see the slightest objection to disband and outlaw them. It may not be the Jeffersonian politically correct way but at least could be considered as the lesser of two evils. This is called Realpolitik.
What about the rest of the post? A substantive point was made that contextualizes the statement:
But here’s a thought…why not just have the police, well, enforce the law? when FPI threaten violence, that’s incitement. When they commit property damage, they’re liable. When they assault someone, that’s assault. Etc.
Don’t need new rules or new laws, just the will to enforce the existing ones.
The problem isn’t that an organization called Front Pembela Islam exists, it’s that they break the law with impunity. The government and police are, seemingly, afraid of enforcing laws that exist when it comes to FPI.
Besides, if the government bans one organization, why not another? If more people want the government to ban Ahmadiya than FPI, then why should it ban the latter and not the former? The only difference is propensity to violence, but then why not just go after FPI for breaking the law when it engages in violent behavior? Protecting free speech and the right to organize protects everyone by taking the value judgement out of the equation. But it only works when the authorities actually enforce the law and ensure organizations abide by it. That’s Indonesia’s problem when it comes to FPI.
re Bali Bollocks
Take what you read there with a big grain of salt.
One should always read opinionated pieces with a grain of salt. But one doesn’t need to be a freeschapellle moonbat to realise that there is no smoke without fire. The greed, seediness and corrupton of this place only equals its uniqueness. One has to have lived in other places to become fully aware of it.
It may be that this is symptomatic for any place that became more affluent and confronted with cultural upheaval in too short a time, but it doesn’t take away the ugliness. For many first time visitors it leaves a bewildering experience, especially those who came with other things on their mind than just sea, sun and sex.
I only read that one article, about Indonesia breaking up. There isn’t enough garam laut around Madura to compensate for the suspension of disbelief you need in order to take it seriously.
PJ seems to be on the ball here here ET regarding what reads as sour grapes.
I concur Odinus: in my extended sojourn in Eastern Indonesians, I’ve found them to be as patriotic as any Javanese and only scenario to reiginite the sectarian instability and possible re-evaluation of that loyalty is a very unlikely Jihadist takover in national politics.
I’d suggest ozzie secret service can easily disabuse themselves of this wild prediction by doing a Batam and calling Indonesians stupid. Expect a few lynchings in Toraja, Ambon, Flores
Some history for you et.
A few years back the owner of balibs issued death theats to prominent blogger here in indo and forced that blogger to shut down his blog. A few years before that he had a serius fallout with the owner of Balidiscovery Tours and bali expat form and was subsequently kicked out the country. The man has many axes to grind and sworn to destroy the island he loves (very dramatic no?). So, if you you wish to call his lunatic rantings some sort of secret hidden truth of what really happens in Bali well be my guest. Luckily for me my experience has been somewhat different and less toxic.
Sure there is corruption here and jails are not so nice. Life is tough that way. Overall the experience has been pretty good and I don’t think you would find malaysia, singapore, thailand or pretty much anywhere else in SE asia a good place to be if you seriously got on the wrong side of locals.
Ah yes, BaliBollocks, Fugly Bali, Nasty Bali and all that jazz…
The story is well known; I’m always a little scared about discussing it given that Mark Austin, the man behind the online Bali-hate phenomenon, is clearly a person who holds a grudge and is quite happy to construct an entire network of websites to exercise that grudge, but still – it’s a grimly fascinating topic.
Given that he has declared he is out to “destroy the island he loves” (entirely because he doesn’t like the police and some of the other expat businessmen operating there), it ought to be fairly obvious that these websites should be utterly disregarded. Any grains of truth that they may contain are purely incidental.
Now I’ve made it clear on here before that I’m certainly not one who buys into the “Bali as paradise” line; in fact I find it astonishing that so many people seem so slavishly devoted to it.
Some – only some, note -aspects of Bali come pretty high on the list of unsavoury things in Indonesia. And the conscious conspiracy of smiles operated by everyone involved in the Balinese tourist industry from the Governor down to the taxi drivers to project a wholesome image, to wantonly slander all other parts and all other peoples of Indonesia and to work energetically through fearmongering towards a point where not a single tourist dollar is spent in any other province of the country is tiresome and not very pleasant.
However, This empire of very silly websites actually plays into the hands of the “Bali’s all sweetness and light” brigade.
This stuff is so laughably absurd that it’s all too easy to dismiss anyone who offers a less hysterical criticism of the island as belonging to the same poisonous, ulterior-motive-driven phenomenon:
What’s that? Someone calmly pointing out the levels of crime – some of it violent – in Bali? Just another BaliBollocks nutbar, obviously – look at that frangipani flower!
What did you just say? Rape, drugs, gangsterism, or – god forbid! – Kuta Cowboys? Clearly an embittered ex-businessman – look! a temple procession!
And this then pushes the people who genuinely like Bali very much – of whom there are many – onto the defensive, which in turn pushes those people (like ET) who have clearly had far more than their fill of the place and really ought to be looking for somewhere new in the opposite direction (ie. the BaliBollocks direction), and in the end it becomes impossible for anyone to say anything rational, detached and balanced about Bali…
And no, Indonesia won’t be breaking up any time soon, and the “Javanese empire” stuff, is, shall we say, a little simplistic…
Timdog, can you expand on the ‘Javanese Empire’ concerns?
I wasn’t aware it was an issue.
Overall the experience has been pretty good and I don’t think you would find malaysia, singapore, thailand or pretty much anywhere else in SE asia a good place to be if you seriously got on the wrong side of locals.
I never heard of the Bali Bollocks before the link here in IM. Whatever the motives of the individual who is responsible for it may be, it struck me that a lot of what has been written in it coincides with what I see happening in this place. Lucky for me I’m still on the (very) right side with the locals from my immediate surroundings, which is what keeps me going. But turning a blind eye and keeping ones mouth shut for what happens beyond this limited horizon is only self-deception and doesn’t do anyone a favor but those who are to blame for the defilement.
I don’t see what you are getting at. When Bali is called into question you are usually the first to criticize and condescend. When someone else has the boldness to do it you suddenly become apologetic and and dismiss whatever they have to say as
Any grains of truth that they may contain are purely incidental.
I’m inclined to agree with you. Bali–and Indonesia more generally–is more typically described through caricatures than any nuanced sense of “the good+the bad+the ugly.” That site appears to offer just another set of caricatures, some of which are laughable indeed.
So much resources being used to bring the three to court. Why? Because except for Ariel no one else can have a share in the two. How much resources are being used to tackle corruption? No one bothers because everyone with a little authority has a share of the harvest.
How sad for a big country!!!!!
bagi saya,tu hak peribadi mereka..tapi ole karna they are public figure,so the issued become popular..
Most muslims are obsessed with sex, because it is denied to them.
Firstly, muslims are subjected to genital mutilation (male and female circumcision), which causes circumcised people to have less pleasure.
Secondly, there is the “forbidden fruit” syndrome : although millions of Americans and other people have been circumcised, the muslim environment generates another prohibition : the “forbidden aspect” of normal relations with the opposite sex.
The Catholics used to do the same thing though : when I was in an all boys school (from 1963 until 1969) the sight of any girl made me hot, even an ugly girl, because we were taught by the Catholic priests that we shouldn’t have any relationships with girls until we were 18 years old, and that we should marry, no sex before marriage. The forbidden fruit made us hot !
Our teachers worked in shifts in order to follow pupils on their way home. Whenever we were caught talking to a girl who was not our sister, we would be punished.
The punishment consisted in detention : on a Saturday, when all the other students had a free weekend, the students who were caught in the act of talking to a girl had to go back to school from 14:00 hrs until 18:00 hrs and they had to write 16 pages in Latin or Ancient Greek. We had to write 16 pages about the wisdom of abstention from sex (in Latin or Ancient Greek) and if there were too many grammatical mistakes in the Latin or Ancient Greek we wrote, we had to spend the next Saturday in detention. It was horrible.
Really horrible, because I managed to write too many mistakes in Ancient Greek, so I spend three Saturdays in detention.
And all this because I only exchanged a few words with a girl (outside the school) who was not my sister.
Of course, in the year 1969, when I entered University, all this changed, and my fellow students and I engaged in – well, you know, some healthy sex, while the female students took the pill, in order to avoid pregnancy, and we, the male students, used condoms in order to avoid sexually transmitted diseases, although AIDS didn’t exist yet.
Some of us did not use condoms, and they got the clap (for those who don’t know, gonnorrhea) but two shots (antibiotics) got rid of the problem.
Life would be better in all those muslim kampungs if proper sexual education and prevention of pregnancy would be taught, like the use of condoms. Then kampung girls wouldn’t drop their unwanted children at their mother’s house in order to make a living as prostitutes in Java and Bali.
By the way, since Indonesian imams are promoting abstinence before marriage, I really recommend this video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e24fYOXzk1I
My point is that if muslims in those Javanese kampungs and in the big cities would use condoms, much sadness (like unwanted children and sexually transmitted diseases) can be avoided.
It is blatantly obvious that the Indonesian authorities do not want to teach children how to use condoms.
Ouh thats hot . .I wish i could have sex .. Im in need of one after watching …
After watching the video..i’m loving him..i’m all yours ariel…take me take me