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  1. avatar venna says:
    February 27th, 2010 at 1:37 am

    It is disappointing, huh? But that’s the world works, babe. Sometimes you have to face the fact that people put tag price on each other. The men put price, the women put price. They may have different coins; some put brain and personality at the high price, some put love and loyalty as their ultimate goal, some put wealth and money over anything. You just need to know who is he or who is her before making an agreement, and whether he/she fits you. The poor, the rich, the beauty, the beast…. doesn’t matter. Naturally they will know the rule, except they are too naive *take over your cigar*

  2. avatar balin says:
    February 27th, 2010 at 1:44 am

    see just like i said before, you just made your point, that every girls got right to choose his companion, and got right to
    use what they got like quality worth a million dollar (psy and brain etc)
    to gain a wealth, see this is the example of the short cut what i’m tryin to say, hey girl why worry you got a very good appeal
    go get yourself and an expat maybe you end up rich, why marrying the paria.. they cant promise you to provide etc etc.
    How much is tag price let me see .. what $2 get the hell out from here!!! how about you.. hmm $ 200K ok you can enter.
    hey you.. stop darn u still 15th get lost or yo may end up kidnapped, dont post anything stupid on the fb.
    Ok you mature enough what is your price tag wowwww $ 1M ok here the VIP ticket and this is the webcam.. turn on the auto light
    it will make your face better.
    Ok ladies have fun, and i’m goin to light this cigar…. its everyone rights what the hell so be it

    Ok than venna,, but just want you to know i dont put price on people neck, this world don’t suit me, :) well like people said if you cant beat them join them,, uhh i miss mars

    The men put price, the women put price. They may have different coins; some put brain and personality at the high price, some put love and loyalty as their ultimate goal, some put wealth and money over anything. <—- hey not fair some put body on the line to sex appeal,,,please be fair venna they put everything on the line right?

  3. avatar venna says:
    February 27th, 2010 at 1:50 am

    Awww… you’re so cute ;)

  4. avatar balin says:
    February 27th, 2010 at 1:57 am

    eeeeeee? what that suppose to mean,, darn,, is it cause the barney pic,, hold on goin to comb my hair.. ehemm

    Hi im david nice to meet you (offering hand shake) and
    please don’t listen to all my comment it was under alcohol abuse, its all dumb wrong…

  5. avatar venna says:
    February 27th, 2010 at 2:07 am

    You sounds so cute and challenging. Really, it’s an honest compliment.

    But enough with that. It’s better to go back to the main topic, RUU. If you have something to say about it, I’d like to hear and learn from you. If not, then I will enjoy my cigarette and reading – and waiting some other comments about RUU.

  6. avatar balin says:
    February 27th, 2010 at 2:19 am

    darn already throw my cigar because of you …did i just placed comments at the wrong forum?,,, cant erase it, this RUU is stupid this kinda like money working scheme, someone or some group surely goin to get rich..actually i hate everything what government do sorry, im such a non nationalist (never voted in entire of my life) type of person, sorry with that, well the expat surely goin to loose much money with 50K.. hey who make this kind of RUU? what if his/her daughter end up marrying expat and got converted.
    this is the second stupid RUU i heard after anti porn RUU

  7. avatar venna says:
    February 27th, 2010 at 2:39 am

    hey who make this kind of RUU? what if his/her daughter end up marrying expat and got converted.
    __________________

    I don’t think so. But if you say they’re half-illiterate, maybe you’re right. See the previous post from RighteousDude. Seems like the government try to copy blindly the Egypt Law, but they cannot distinguish the Egypt currency with US currency. And the result, voilaa….

  8. avatar venna says:
    February 27th, 2010 at 2:55 am

    Oops, sorry. I end up mixing the answer for other people. But basically the same. The government made a fatal mistake in this RUU and didn’t predict the impact.

  9. avatar ET says:
    February 27th, 2010 at 7:23 am

    @ venna

    Congrats for those who eat the fishermen first

    Yes, there will always be idiots who don’t know the difference between a shark and a dolphin.

  10. avatar ET says:
    February 27th, 2010 at 9:39 am

    venna said

    Okay, I don’t know about you guys, but I think everybody know that women will choose their best mating partner. It’s the nature law. And the men will compete to be the best. Women like confident men. It’s sexy and appealing. Don’t blame the women if they choose the better men, because that’s their nature. If you want your women choose you, just be a better candidate.

    Gee, isn’t that a bit stressful, always on the lookout for the best buy? But I guess you are right, maybe it’s a law of nature that women are enslaved to their hormonal drive of finding and securing what they deem to be the best genes for their offspring.

    Anyway, alhamdulillah I’m a man, willing and able to flutter from flower to flower, generously spreading my genes.
    Dance like butterfly, sting like a bee.’

  11. avatar khafir says:
    February 27th, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    Indonesian lawmakers, government officials and civil servants never fail to amaze me.

    $50000 dowry? Only for foreigners? Only Muslims?

    PLEASE!!!!!

    If we had $50000 laying around…..WHY THE FCUK WOULD WE COME TO INDONESIA?

    That’s my opening point..

    Now for more serious points.

    This “Draft” Law is an insult to all Indonesians simply in the fact that their ignorant public officials even came up with it.

    It’s an insult to women in Indonesia and women worldwide who have been struggling for over a 100 years for equal rights and status to men.

    BENEFIT: Men in Indonesia will be able to drag their women around by their hair and pierce their noses with a leg bone!!!

    Let’s see……..Will SBY be sharing this plan with Obama when he comes? Maybe he can get some pointers from Obama on how to implement this law? Not that Indonesia knows how to implement any laws.

    Only Foreigners?

    Is this because the 1000′s of Indonesian men in Indonesia who run out on their wives, cheat on their wives, and abuse their wives physically, mentally and religiouslly have ALREADY paid THEIR $50000 into a Sharia Bank?

    NOT!!!!!

    This Panscilia idea of Indonesia is getting cornier by the minute. 5 points of what?

    Why are Muslim elite drafting laws that OBVIOUSLY violate the constitution and Panscilia? Why are they drafting archaic and barbaric laws of this type on the Indonesian taxpayers dime?

    AND……

    ARE THERE REALLY THAT MANY FOREIGN MEN MARRYING INDONESIANS?

    AND…….historically speaking….wasn’t it foreign, Arab men that forced Hinduism all the way to Bali creating the historically correct NEW Indonesia as it sits today?

    Anyway……last I heard one should marry for love and not for money but as Indonesia, on average, has put monetary value and personal ownership above everything else sacred in life anyway……HELL YES….WHY NOT?

    $50000. Ok. Got It. So to save money best for us men to go back to the old yet still reliable adage “FCUK ‘EM AND RUN”!

    As for the “Only for Muslims” part…….

    SCAM! SCAM! SCAM!

    This is a blatant, wide-open door to continue their manipulative and vindictive behavior towards foreigners who not only visit Indonesia but for those who also live here.

    They will sever all our rights to our own money by creating more laws and articles to those laws along with the obligatory corrupt red-tape for us to get it back. By the time we get the paperwork to get the money returned we will OWE another $50000 not counting the corruption fees.

    And since the corrupt court system is basically dysfunctional, no one will bother to take them to court.

    Congratulations Indonesia!!! Way to shoot yourselves in the foot yet again! Oh well…..good news is that no one in the world gives a crap that Obama is coming here so…….as long as the University students don’t do anything moronic in protest like when George Bush was here than Indonesia won’t receive more than a 10 second mention on CNN thus avoiding yet another embarrassing leak of the truth to the eager international press who is just itching for the opportunity to make public the 1000 km long road of lies this Indonesian government has perpetrated on the International community over the last 10 years.

    For us “so-called” BULE……..soon the Islamic TERRORIST threat of world supremacy will be over and than G20 countries will stop caring about Indonesia and its largest population of Muslims status. We can always get sugar cane from Brazil and the girls there are much sexier anyway!

  12. avatar venna says:
    February 28th, 2010 at 2:20 am

    Gee, isn’t that a bit stressful, always on the lookout for the best buy? But I guess you are right, maybe it’s a law of nature that women are enslaved to their hormonal drive of finding and securing what they deem to be the best genes for their offspring.
    ____________________

    It is stressful. What do you think with all catfights, cheatings, and stealing other husbands? All come from the same source. It’s already imprinted in our unconscious mind, as a part of survival instincts. Otherwise, humans cannot stay longer in this planet.

    Btw, are you a moslem, ET? Cool :)

    I will read khafir’s tonight. Hope I can stay awake, haha. Nice. The angrier people here, the better :)

  13. avatar timdog says:
    February 28th, 2010 at 8:25 am

    khafir:

    AND…….historically speaking….wasn’t it foreign, Arab men that forced Hinduism all the way to Bali creating the historically correct NEW Indonesia as it sits today?

    Um… no, it wasn’t actually. not even close.

  14. avatar khafir says:
    February 28th, 2010 at 8:50 am

    Um……Yes…..It was….VERY CLOSE!

    The spread of Islam in Indonesia (1200 to 1600)

    The first Indonesians to adopt Islam are thought to have done so as early as the eleventh century, although Muslims had visited Indonesia early in the …………….

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_spread_of_Islam_in_Indonesia

  15. avatar ET says:
    February 28th, 2010 at 9:45 am

    Btw, are you a moslem, ET? Cool

    Do I look like one?

  16. avatar venna says:
    February 28th, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    @ET:
    Hahah, got it :D But the cloth though, still invites the same interpretation ;)

    @Khafir:
    ____
    Let’s see……..Will SBY be sharing this plan with Obama when he comes? Maybe he can get some pointers from Obama on how to implement this law?

    *O god, I hope he will never has this in his mind.
    ______
    Is this because the 1000’s of Indonesian men in Indonesia who run out on their wives, cheat on their wives, and abuse their wives physically, mentally and religiouslly have ALREADY paid THEIR $50000 into a Sharia Bank?
    NOT!!!!!

    *Any idea how to make them suffered too? Because, really, they get too much free stuffs from this RUU. Plus they want to sell their own women.
    _____

    We can always get sugar cane from Brazil and the girls there are much sexier anyway!

    *OUCH!

  17. avatar ZZZBRILJANT says:
    February 28th, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    Foreign men to marry Indonesian women to buy their
    marriage for $ 50,000, a guarantee against that they are not divorced or
    disappear.
    let us call to call this things by their real names, and understand that this
    dealing with racism in its worst form, which tries to push down our
    respect and everything growing within ourselves as if we were some kind of
    cattle in a Nazi or Khmer Pol Pot dictatorship.

    Very often hears how people want to change their life. To dream and hope for things in the future is never wrong. To enjoy old memories and
    look back at great moments are not wrong. Continue chasing your
    dreams until you managed to catch them. But learn one thing – cannot take
    according to your dreams and hopes. Learn also to live in the present.

    What do we really want Indonesia to be in the future? How do we
    that Indonesia is perceived by outsiders? How we wish that we live in
    Indonesia to develop the country? How do we ensure that Indonesia becomes a
    safe, vibrant and prosperous country in a changing and demanding
    environment? There are certainly as many ideas as people.

    We have nevertheless made progress regarding racism and gender.
    Think of where, when all women were oppressed and hated black open only
    for their skin color. I have a dream that one day the politicians in
    Indonesia to get up and realize that all men are created equal. Observe
    Women’s intelligence and treat them as women.

    What is happening today is a form of torture. It is to torment people.
    Torment a nation’s women to humiliate them, forcing it to
    submission to the language of force in our deepest essence.

    we put so much limits as we are of different ages – things we cannot
    do, things we should not do, things we do not dare to do, things we do not
    ‘ll try, things that are too early, things are slow, everything depends
    on at what age we are in.

    Who wants to racism in a democratic country gain a foothold?
    In Indonesia, which have free elections? No, we want a vision of a more
    loving world in which humans live in harmony with each other in a
    respectful and humble manner. Not a country with horror and anxiety are
    prejudices are always lying in wait.

    We cannot build walls for our women to the world, which means
    to build walls of isolation and decline. The development of
    people to get closer and closer together, everywhere in the contact
    are here now, which means the incentive but also of course wear and
    difficulties, which is generated by the current out-of-date
    law of Indonesians, who make these loving intelligent
    women almost have to buy the pig in a poke.

    The world comes to us and we need to get out into the world, then we cannot
    build our dreams and future of the symptoms of racist right wings
    ideas. I have a dream to live in a nation where we are not to be
    assessed by our skin color.
    What will these intelligent women who want a happy marriage
    with the alien, we want our children with it, we want life to be happy, we dream of a better life for ourselves and our close. Not only to dream of a better future. We need a better future.
    Respect for our dreams and our intelligence may not be crushed by
    of paternalism and ignorance in a world where we really see each other but
    cannot allow our protective walls burst into the ground for daring to meet
    reverently of joy, vulnerability and love.

    We get up every day and do things in our lives so that we can have a
    better future, we dream of having a better life event. We want
    own our own home.

    A dream, that our planet, Mother Earth is in balance, where the deepest
    harmony prevails, where the soil is a peaceful place full of love, where we
    people respect each other.
    So yeah I dream of a better future. I will get it another thing entirely.

  18. avatar timdog says:
    February 28th, 2010 at 7:16 pm

    Khafir,
    I always know I’m in the presence of an intellectual giant with a firm grasp of the sources when the wikipedia reference come out…
    I’ll keep it short therefore.

    Indonesia was very largely “Islamised” by Indonesians, not by foreigners, least of all by Arabs. Your allusion to rampaging semites “forcing Hinduism out of Java” is about as wide as the mark as it gets.

    Arabs were certainly present in the archipelago from a fairly early stage, well before the oft-claimed “hey day” of Hindu Java, Majapahit. Their role in spreading Islam was limited except perhaps in Aceh, Maluku, and perhaps a few ports in Java and Kalimantan.

    Beyond the initial seeding of religion into port areas foreigners probably played little role in Islamising Indonesia, and where they did they were almost certainly more likely to have been Indian or Chinese Muslims rather than gentlemen from Arabia.
    And once agian, where they did play a role, it would have been entirely equivalent to that previously played by wandering Indians in the “Hindu” period – as individual oddballs who turned up at native courts and got a bit of cash and accomodation for translating a few texts and adding a bit of “authenticity” to religious goings on.

    Indonesians converted each other, local courts co-opted Islam as they had previously done with Hinduism and Buddhism; the religion trickled down to the masses little by little (hence its largely “syncretic” colour).
    And despite the ostensibly “Islamic” nature of Demak, usurper of Majapahit, its religious colour was arguably largely incidental, its nacency simply fitting into a pattern of dynastic power shifts that dated back through Majapahit’s predecessors, Singosari, Sanjaya and beyond.

    As for the threadbare old souvenir of “all the Hindus and artists and creative people fled from Java to Bali when the Muslims arrived”, sold to the tourists by the canny con-men of Bali along with the rest of their second-rate tat, you only need to head to Yogya, Solo, or to a batik workshop in Cirebon, or to a big wedding in any Javanese village with its gamelan or wayang, to see what a manifestly preposterous idea it is.
    The upper level elite of Majapahit did indeed head off to Bali (and to far East Java, which remained “non-Islamic” for a good while), but in doing so they were doing nothing more than repeating standard behaviour of court elites – after the previous falls of Hindu/Buddhist Kediri, Sanjaya, Singosari to other Hindu/Buddhist powers, local elites packed their bags and headed for exile.
    Everyone else just stayed where they were and got on with sh*t.
    And Arabs had very little to do with any of that except in the most abstract of senses, any more than bone fide Aryan Brahmins from the Ganges Delta had done for earlier generations.

    And not one single recourse to wikipedia in all of that!

    Anyway, back to the proposed law, I stress again, from reading comments in the press by a couple of lawmakers it really did seem like with this stupid idea they were thinking more about protecting Indonesian women from gross Saudi holiday makers rather than taking bules for a ride, or forcing Islam on anyone. It does indeed seem likely that the law was inspired by the egyptian example, and that too, lest we forget, is also to protect the fair ladies of Cairo from the staunchly Islamic (when not on holiday) fellows of Saudi Arabia…
    Though this proposed law is idiotic and offensive I really, really think it is an Indonesia-bashing oppertunity rather than an Islam-bashing oppertunity…

  19. avatar mr. right says:
    March 1st, 2010 at 6:10 am

    this isn’t Islamic law to give 50000$ as guarantee, if the Foreign men leave their wife. when we accept Islam and Quran. there is also Talaq in Islam and all other religion.
    this law is only against muslim men and not Americans and other kafireen.
    I think the best way to stop this, they have to tell all indonesian girl not to marry men from other country.
    in some parts of indonesia the parents sell their daughter for sex in jakarta just for 1000$ and sex is allowed by government of indonesia.

    I never seen something like this in my life to pay 50000$ guarantee.
    I am sure that all Arabs will pay 50000$ in bogor for one month sex.

  20. avatar ET says:
    March 1st, 2010 at 7:13 am

    timdog said

    Anyway, back to the proposed law, I stress again, from reading comments in the press by a couple of lawmakers it really did seem like with this stupid idea they were thinking more about protecting Indonesian women from gross Saudi holiday makers rather than taking bules for a ride, or forcing Islam on anyone.

    To me it seems they want to kill two birds with one stone.

  21. avatar diego says:
    March 1st, 2010 at 9:07 am

    I am sure that all Arabs will pay 50000$ in bogor for one month sex.

    I don’t understand why would those arabs waste their money just for sex? I mean, if their women are too ugly, fat, or whatever, there are still lots of south-east asian twinks (living in arab countries) — slim, young, boys — they can use. Cheaper than going all the way to indonesia and pay 50000 USD.

  22. avatar khafir says:
    March 1st, 2010 at 9:39 am

    Oompa Oompa Oompa Dee Doo
    I’ve got a story about the RUU….

    If anyone believes, foolishly, that Indonesia would apply this “Draft Law” to only Saudis than shame on you. Once Indonesia makes a law that financially can be twisted to their corrupt benefit they apply it as loosely as possible to anyone they can take advantage of. The government here is like the schoolyard bully to it’s own citizens as well as foreigners. Most assuredly the greedy elite will try to apply it to ALL foreigners until they see their tourist dollars dropping. After they lose a few million in tourist dollars than they will make the law JUST slightly clearer in the media so that it APPEARS not to affect all foreigners. BUT….since they already made it as loose as possible…lower level civil servants will STILL try to gouge ANY foreign man they can.

    THAT’s INDONESIA!!!!

  23. avatar deta says:
    March 1st, 2010 at 9:42 am

    Anyway, alhamdulillah I’m a man, willing and able to flutter from flower to flower, generously spreading my genes.
    ‘Dance like butterfly, sting like a bee.’

    Bees and butterflies do not spread their own genes. They cross-pollinate by spreading pollen from one flower to another, so they are more like matchmakers for these flowers. And honey bees die after stinging.
    Let me know if you still want to sting like a bee…

  24. avatar diego says:
    March 1st, 2010 at 9:48 am

    And honey bees die after stinging.

    Yea, and in a horrible way. I remember they would die from bleeding, because their p*nis would break off, got stuck in the v*gina of the female bee. I saw it on youtube.

  25. avatar deta says:
    March 1st, 2010 at 10:12 am

    Certainly more painful than being circumcised… ouch! ;-)

  26. avatar ET says:
    March 1st, 2010 at 10:27 am

    And honey bees die after stinging.
    Let me know if you still want to sting like a bee…

    Still prefer this than to be eaten alive and sucked dry by a female spider.

  27. avatar timdog says:
    March 1st, 2010 at 10:58 am

    khafir (and to a lesser extent ET):

    who said anything about them applying it only to Saudis? Of course it wouldn’t be applied only to Saudis.

    My point was, in light of the way, as has a tendency to happen around here, the debate had somehow managed to come to some kind of misguided consensus that the proposed law is yet another example of the well-known demonic Islamist Taliban tendencies of the notoriously theocratic government of RI (um… yes…), and yet another violent attack on the infidels.
    It isn’t, and it seems that if they had anything in mind when cooking it up it was Saudi sex tourists and frequently visiting businessmen, who probably have a worse record for stitching up Indonesian women than even the most reprehensible of bules (Islamic enough for a bit of hanky-panky in a villa at Puncak; nowhere near Islamic – or Arab – enough to show any qualms about ditching them with a bun in the oven).

    Of course, if the law ever did come to pass it would be applied equally to a scrawny, geeky 22-year-old bule English teacher who never touched a woman all through college, and then fell madly, and sincerely, in love with some girl in the office on his first day at work in a second-rate Jakarta English course.
    That’s why it’s so fricken offensive (and yes, ET, it would slot in nicely with general institional antipathy to all foreigners, bule, Arab, Chinese or whatever) but it ain’t about Islam, and the “Sharia law” bit is merely confused tail-chasing (probably also borrowed wholesale, along with the 50,000 figure, from the Egyptians).

    Now, khafir, how about a gentlemanly acknowledgement in light of my efforts several posts above that you had no idea what you were going on about when you tried to suggest that “the Arabs” had converted Indonesia to Islam and chased the Hindus out of Java?

  28. avatar diego says:
    March 1st, 2010 at 11:56 am

    Now, khafir, how about a gentlemanly acknowledgement in light of my efforts several posts above that you had no idea what you were going on about when you tried to suggest that “the Arabs” had converted Indonesia to Islam and chased the Hindus out of Java?

    That is the fact, right? Walisongo (arabs). Fatahillah (arab). Etc.

  29. avatar ET says:
    March 1st, 2010 at 11:58 am

    but it ain’t about Islam, and the “Sharia law” bit is merely confused tail-chasing

    If this isn’t about islam then why the clauses about syariah banks and murtad (apostasy)?

    The initial draft of a bill on religious marriage law to be put forward to the parliament this year is said by some to contain a clause that would require foreign (Muslim) men wishing to marry Indonesian (Muslim) women to make a deposit of 500 million rupiah (about $50,000) into a sharia bank account as a guarantee, in case they later desert their wives and any resultant children and return to their home countries.

    Ayat (3)
    Ketentuan mengenai pembebanan uang jaminan terhadap calon suami warga negara asing dimaksudkan untuk melin¬dungi hak-hak isteri dan anak-anak, apabila suami menelantarkan, tidak memberi nafkah, meninggalkan Indo¬nesia secara diam-diam, murtad, menceraikan dan lain-lain yang merugikan kepentingan isteri dan anak-anak yang di¬lahirkan dari perkawinan tersebut. Uang jaminan tersebut menjadi hak isteri berdasarkan penetapan Pengadilan atas permohonan eksekusi isteri. Apabila kehidupan perkawinan berjalan secara wajar dan baik selama 10 tahun maka uang jaminan tersebut dapat diminta oleh kedua belah pihak se¬bagai harta bersama.

  30. avatar timdog says:
    March 1st, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    diego:
    you once said that you “read zero books a month”. At moments like this it shows, my friend, it shows.
    Actually, if you search this very site you’ll find some interesting stuff about the wali songo. It would be better for you actually to get down to some proper printed text, but as you apparently struggle with that, it would at least be a start.

    ET,
    I am almost entirely certain that that stuff is there because when they came up with it, what they had in mind was people who were already Muslims marrying other people who were already Muslims, and my suspicion is that if you went and looked you’d find that all that stuff above is pinched wholesale from the Egyptian example.

    If and when the law did get passed (and I doubt very much that it ever will), they would, of course, then try to apply it to Bules, and would get in an awful muddle over the Islam stuff; there would doubtless end up being some high-profile case involving a bule who, to your immense chagrin, had converted to marry his maid – good grief! forgive me! I have no idea where that nastiness came from; I’ll continue – and lots of hysterical people on both sides would start shrieking. Meanwhile, portly business travellers from the middle east would probably still be having their wicked way with young Sundanese lasses up in the green hills of west Java, and getting away with it, and the whole thing would be revealed as being as retarded as it is. And Indonesia would be no closer to being “the next Afghanistan” than it was yesterday.

    I may, of course, be entirely wrong. But I really don’t think this has got anything to do with forcing Islam on anyone – and that’s not just a liberal bedwetter kneejerk on my part, and it had never occured to me until I read the comments about Arab businessmen in north-central Java and Arab tourists in west Java from some proponent of the law last week (sorry, can’t remember who or where) and then came across the apparent Egyptian inspiration here (which I had heard of before, but hadn’t connect to the Indonesian example).

    Incidentally, it would be rather nice if you were to pass comment on my account of a typical Javanese priyayi family and all their mixed, non-converted marriages that I laboured over a while back up this post. I had you, in part, in mind, when I wrote it…

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