RUU Pornografi

Nov 30th, 2006, in News, by

[Updated] The long, tortuous journey of the RUU Anti Pornoaksi Pornografi is approaching its end.

The name of the bill has been changed, dropping the "anti" part (RUU AP or RUU PP), and a revised copy of the draft has been finalised and handed over to a vice-chairman of the parliament, Zaenal Maarif.

Balkan Kaplale
Balkan Kaplale.

Although the changes that have been agreed upon by the deliberating committee are not known in detail it is known that the number of articles has been drastically cut down. Where previously there had been 19 sections containing 93 articles the new bill has only 5 sections and 30 articles.

The head of the special committee, Balkan Kaplale, assures that the new version of the bill has taken into account the objections to the original draft, objections which revolved around what were seen as attempts to over-regulate dress and behavioural matters, which some people saw as an attempt at Arabisation of Indonesian norms, or Islamisation. Said Balkan Kaplale on the 28th: detik

There's no "anti" in the name. So it's just the indecency and pornography bill. All the submissions to the committee have been accomodated, including on the question of punishments.
(Nama RUU ini tidak ada 'anti'-nya. Jadi langsung RUU Pornografi dan Pornoaksi. Semua sudah mengakomodir masukan yang ada, termasuk sanksi-sanksinya.)

Additionally, the ten parties represented on the special committee, from the Islamist PKS to the secular PDIP, have all agreed on the new form of the bill. metrotv

Belly Button
The belly button issue seems to have been settled.

It is hoped that the bill will come before parliament in the next session, between January and April 2007. Said Zaenal Maarif detik, in likely reference to the objections previously raised by non-Muslim areas of the country, such as in Bali:

We hope it will be finished by the next parliamentary session, because it already reflects the diversity of the nation.
(Kami harap pada masa sidang berikutnya ini sudah selesai, karena isinya sudah mengandung kebhinnekaan bangsa ini.)

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January 18th 2007

The latest reports say that the bill is unchanged from the original version, only that the number of articles has been condensed, but that the content of them is the same. The words "anti" and "pornoaksi" have been dropped. It is expected to be passed into law by February.

There are 9 sections and 30 articles, 16 articles concerning protection of children, 8 articles for penalties, and 6 articles on "pornoaksi", or indecent behaviour, including sub-sections on allowed forms of dress.

Balkan Kaplale says the wishes of the people have been accomodated in the formulation of the bill. He said that two definitions of pornography were used in the bill, "soft" and "hard". Soft pornography was, for example, the display in pictures or video of womens' bottoms, breasts, or hips in public. "Hard" pornography was, for example, the sex video of Yahya Zaini and Maria Eva.

He said punishments for distributing porn would be up to 15 years jail or a fine of 2 billion rupiah.

Some commentators, including Universitas Indonesia lecturer Gadis Arivia, womens' rights activist from Komnas Perempuan, Neng Dara Affifah, as well as Ratna Sarumpaet from the Unity in Diversity alliance, Aliansi Bhineka Tunggal Ika (ABTI), complained that the bill was over the top.

Gadis Arivia said the matter of protecting children from porn was already dealt with in the criminal code.

There are at least 20 articles on pornography in the criminal code.
(Malah di KUHP sudah ada setidaknya 20 pasal tentang pornografi.)

She said children's access to porn should be restricted but the solution wasn't to make laws on how they were allowed to dress.

Neng Dara Affifah was dismissive of the law, saying that the Broadcasting Act and the Child Protection Act already were sufficient. mediaindo

Ratna Sarumpaet urged that the bill be scrapped. She said that the formulators of the bill had failed to appear in court several times after the ABTI had filed a lawsuit against them. mediaindo

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February 28th 2007

Article in Washington Post - "Indonesia dilutes anti-pornography bill". House of Representatives speaker Agung Laksono says: washingtonpost

A law must not create divisions within the nation and must be accepted by all citizens.

In places like Bali and Papua, bare-breasted women are a daily sight. If such things are banned it will be against local customs.


103 Comments on “RUU Pornografi”

  1. avatar Orgindo says:

    Well, Daryono, I think it depends on what is your view about Indonesia culture. If you think Islam is the root of Indonesia culture, then I cant agree more with you. I don’t think that Islam is the base foundation of our culture. All your argument imply you are not Indonesian. May I ask, are you Arabian? I am not trying to insult or anything, but let us be open-minded and have a reasonable discussion.

    First of all, you say majority of legislator are abiding teaching of Islam, well, in other word you say that they are mostly ‘good’. How can you judge them by the way they look in front of media? That is called media influences. It is the same thing, you cannot judge people who are wearing lesser cloth as an imbecile or immoral.

    I am not saying that porn is good, in fact, those things are not good things for you. What I am trying to say is this is not the right way. Let me ask you, do you smoke? Is it good? Well, how about banning cigarette from the whole Indonesia, I am sure that it is a good idea, but will it work?

    It is not a good thing to impose your own standard to other people. This is why we are called Indonesian, a country with a lot of diversities. If you really admit yourself and proud to be Indonesian, then take a look at our country’s symbol and contemplate the meaning of the words below the eagle’s feet (or falcon?). If you dont even know what those words are, I suggest you go back to your school first.

    I am proud as an Indonesian, but I dont think that feeling is an un-based reasoning.

    Some more, please don’t curb your definition of Indonesia to Islam, we still got other 4 religion (maybe more). And also, it is not just Jakarta or Javanese, open your eyes and have a reasonable discussion. Don’t keep repeating the same thing. Post some quality comments, we are tired to reply lame comment.
    (I might sound a little bit arrogant, but if you are uncomfortable with this thing, i suggest you go back to your newspaper, internet is not for you.)

    ______________

    Oh ya, for Mei,
    What the danger of wearing less 5 cm of cotton in your body?
    A lot of people in Indonesia make this sounds like a big deal!
    πŸ˜‰

    Remember, don’t impose your standard on other people. Those argument are exactly the same with what you are writing. )
    Peace!

  2. avatar Ihaknt says:

    Orgindo, if you are tired, just ignore the ONO brothers. I think they escaped from some institution, let them live in their own so called idealistic ‘world’. Earlier they asked to be addressed with Pak to show respect, because apparently they are old enough (if this was true of course), which means their days are numbered, hopefully.

    Tom and others, yes, pornography is in the mind of the beholder. Besides, everyone is born naked.

  3. avatar Orgindo says:

    Err. Where about? I dont see where they are asked to be addressed as Pak, but uh oh, if that’s true, that’s ridiculous (giggle).

    Well, for me, I just hope that they can also learn to see other people’s vision, well, enriching each other. Haha.
    πŸ˜‰
    Peace!

  4. avatar Daryono says:

    It really doesn’t matter where the gigolos in Bali come from. They are Indonesians; prostituting themselves for the lusts of filthy Australian “whale” women; some of whom weigh over 100 kilos; putting slim Indonesian males at serious risk of being injured.

    It is not man or woman’s place to decide how women should dress; you will find the appropriate guidelines in the Al-Quran. If you wish to dress like your pathetic western idols; Britney Spears or Paris Hilton; please note that you will be viewed as a Jalan Jaksa/Blok M prostitute; especially if you are keeping the company of Western men.

    Andrew; your comments really are getting more absurd; comparing me to Hitler. Do you even know who Hitler is or where he was from or anything at all about him? I very much doubt it. I have never said that my race or civilization is above others. My race and civilization has suffered hundreds of years of colonial and foreign oppression. I have said that I stand to protect my country’s identity and culture. Yes; I believe in one god and that Muhammad is his prophet. Please refrain form personal insults.

    Orgindo; I am not saying that our legislators are perfect. Perfection is, once again, outlined in the Al-Quran. They, like us, are human and should do their best; along Islamic guidelines.

    Finally; it seems that we have reached a new low with one contributor wishing for the death of myself and the esteemed Pak Achmad. Once again; please refrain from malicious postings; and please keep the discussion fair and balanced.

  5. avatar Tomaculum says:

    Daryono,

    It really doesn’t matter where the gigolos in Bali come from. They are Indonesians; prostituting themselves for the lusts of filthy Australian “whale” women; some of whom weigh over 100 kilos; putting slim Indonesian males at serious risk of being injured.

    My, my, my, Darsono, sounds very, very sophisticated!! πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™

    You with your sophisticated imagination, you naughty old boy! πŸ™‚

    It is not man or woman’s place to decide how women should dress; you will find the appropriate guidelines in the Al-Quran. If you wish to dress like your pathetic western idols; Britney Spears or Paris Hilton; please note that you will be viewed as a Jalan Jaksa/Blok M prostitute; especially if you are keeping the company of Western men.

    As you wrote: those words are guidelines. And God give us brain to think. Sometimes I have the impression that some people are not able to discus with other argumentations as to saya: it is written in Al Qur’an. And those words are Gods words, etc., etc., you can find also such platitudes stated by followers of other religions. And what about our from God given ability to think, to consider and to balance?

    Appropriate? For whom?

    Daryono, I don’t like the way some girls are dressed. But why should I say something about it? It is their joy and maybe their problems, isn’t it? I don’t feel saintly enough to adjudge someone and her/his deeds. But maybe you?
    πŸ™‚

  6. avatar Daryono says:

    Ihaknt Says:

    January 21st, 2007 at 8:36 am

    Orgindo, if you are tired, just ignore the ONO brothers. I think they escaped from some institution, let them live in their own so called idealistic ‘world’. Earlier they asked to be addressed with Pak to show respect, because apparently they are old enough (if this was true of course), which means their days are numbered, hopefully.

    Dear contributors,

    I would like to remind you all that this site is called Indonesia matters; i.e. we should be commenting on things that matter to Indonesia.

    Insinuating that Pak Achmad and I are insane; is rude, insulting and downright disrespectful. Furthermore; publicly wishing for Pak Achamd and me to be dead soon; is just a new low.

    In this Tahun Baru 1428 Hijriah; I implore you to keep the discussion fair, balanced and clean.

    Yours faithfully,

    Daryono

  7. avatar Andrew says:

    It really doesn’t matter where the gigolos in Bali come from. They are Indonesians; prostituting themselves for the lusts of filthy Australian “whale” women; some of whom weigh over 100 kilos; putting slim Indonesian males at serious risk of being injured.

    So is it OK if the “clients” are slim and beautiful? πŸ˜€
    The way I see it is that you just want to bash white people and at the same time ignore similar conducts done by Arabs. Find a post in this forum that talks about Arab men coming to Indonesia looking for sex.

    It is not man or woman’s place to decide how women should dress; you will find the appropriate guidelines in the Al-Quran. If you wish to dress like your pathetic western idols; Britney Spears or Paris Hilton; please note that you will be viewed as a Jalan Jaksa/Blok M prostitute; especially if you are keeping the company of Western men.

    In all fairness, why in the world do you think everyone should follow what is prescribed in your book? sure, Britney may be cheesy, but that has little to do with way she dresses.

  8. avatar Tomaculum says:

    Daryono,

    I would like to remind you all that this site is called Indonesia matters; i.e. we should be commenting on things that matter to Indonesia.

    And it is so important for Indonesia to criticise the dress code of the Australian women?

    I have said that I stand to protect my country’s identity and culture.

    And jilbab and these other Arabic dress codes are Indonesian culture? Why can’t Islam merge in the Indonesian culture? Look around and hear around, how many Moslems talk deprecative about the indigenous Indonesian culture. I remember someone has named here other Indonesian cultures as primitive.

    prostituting themselves for the lusts of filthy Australian “whale” women; some of whom weigh over 100 kilos; putting slim Indonesian males at serious risk of being injured.

    Daryono, even in the so morally destroyed western world is this very impolite to affront others with such words. And you claim to be a polite Indonesian? πŸ™‚

    And we should hear to you as elder and call you Pak? Are you serious? I can not citate beautiful and holy words from any holy book and I don’t want to do it. But I know, that I won’t insult other or view other culture as less worth than mine.

    What goes around, comes around.

  9. avatar Colson says:

    Tomaculum, I strongly sympathise with your views. But, I’m afraid a bigot has to free himself from narrow mindedness. It’s obviously no use trying to help.

  10. avatar Tomaculum says:

    And I believe there is only one who can help him: God.
    Hmm …. whose God?
    πŸ™‚

  11. avatar Orgindo says:

    Dear Pak Daryono,
    Sometimes you have to realize that we don’t agree at things like that too. Personally i don’t want porn to polute us, but there are things that is always there in this world. For centuries humanity has tried to eradicate it, only to see new problem arise.

    It doesnt matter if you are Islam or Christian or Buddhist. It doesn’t really matter. There are things in this world that called ‘common sense’. And we use it to identify things that are beyond our teachin or religion. You may think that you are right in a lot of things such as RUU APP, but let me tell you somthing, isn’t that the same thing you have done with US people?

    If you see US people, they invade iraq because of what? Forcing people to adopt their ways. Bush use religion. terrorist use religion. What’s the difference? You are trying to force people to adopt your morality, well, US are influencing the world with their desire too. A right purpose does not always justify the means.

    It is ridiculous for me when I see the same people that condemn US action at the same time try to enforce their morality. For me, they are just the same, bunch of hypocrite.

    I don’t underestimate your knowledge about Islam, but I sugesst you to study more yourself. If you are really pure and want to know about it, then read it and study for yourself, don’t rely on people, because once a man wants to do something, he an justify anything by intepreting it differently, just like Aa Gym case. Be critical and open your mind, that’s how human survive. If you don’t then I guess you are not confident enough for your knowledge.

  12. avatar Ihaknt says:

    Hooray I managed to upset the ono brothers! So you are not that ‘old’ after all.

    especially if you are keeping the company of Western men.

    Seriously, just because someone is walking with a western man doesnt make them a prostitute. You are so close minded. maybe a session of looking into yourself will help.

  13. avatar Ali says:

    Darn-yono,

    Who are you to judge our knowledge of history? Just because you’re old(er) doesn’t automatically mean you’re more knowledgeable.

    By the way, someone asked you of your age, why haven’t you replied? Are you afraid that people will confuse your age with your IQ?

    πŸ™‚

  14. avatar Dimp says:

    Dar,

    Insinuating that Pak Achmad and I are insane; is rude, insulting and downright disrespectful.

    Rude, maybe.
    Insulting, perhaps.
    Disrespectful, possible.

    Spot on, without a doubt.

  15. avatar Ihaknt says:

    Ono brothers, ok, ok, I apologise, it was very naughty of me to say that your days are numbered, but you’re the ones who claimed I worked for the CIA, soo, they have the power (hence I do too) to do pretty much anything right? I cant help it, you guys just are such an open target. But if you see the rest is also picking on you. We are just having fun biting on the baits you throw in our fishing pond.

    Well dudes, I dont take your comments personally nor seriously, but I have to admit that you guys have added a bit of a flavour here.

    Respect The Oldie
    Uh-Huh Uh-Huh

  16. avatar Ali says:

    Ihaknt, leave the senior citizens alone now, you naughty girl!

    πŸ˜€

  17. avatar Tomaculum says:

    Ihaknt is a naughty girl? I love naughty girls!
    πŸ™‚

  18. avatar Fanglong says:

    To my brothers, sisters, grandpas and grandmas, my best wishes !

  19. avatar Ali says:

    :)) Tomaculum, you’re a bad boy!

  20. avatar Tomaculum says:

    Bad boys go to heaven!
    πŸ™‚

  21. avatar Mohammed Khafi says:

    Hi Guys sorry to be late to the Party!

    Daryono you said:

    you will find the appropriate guidelines in the Al-Quran

    Can you show me these guideline?

    I think the members of parliament would have spent our money and their time more usefully by reviewing existing laws and looking at ways of enforcing them rather than making another set of rules which will only be used for lining the pockets of the police and judiciary and after a few months will probably be completely ignored.

    Peace

  22. avatar sgn says:

    making another set of rules which will only be used for lining the pockets of the police and judiciary and after a few months will probably be completely ignored.

    I think, FPI will also take the benefit of it.

  23. avatar Shan says:

    This is the first time I happened along this site, and going through the comments, I couldn’t stop wishing that you lot were my countrymen (and to be politically correct, countrywomen!).

    I’m Malaysian, and we too have quite a number of people who write about stuff they feel matters in our country. Unfortunately, because of the way the country has been run with racist politics and Islam as a weapon, a large part of the commments which come from readers of these blogs (who claim to be Muslim but don’t show it in the way they write) tend to insult the intelligence of the average Malaysian who has simply learned to numb out the stupidity.

    The result shows – today, Malaysia is on it’s way to becoming something it’s founding fathers never wished for it to be, which is a breeding ground for corruption and fundamentalism. And politicians have learned that as long as you play the Islam card and Malay card, they can go on bleeding the country dry, and in the process, blame it on non-Malays and non-Muslims.

    The beauty of it? Spending so much time listening to others talk about the religion, none of these ‘Muslims’ have stopped to think that just maybe they’ve been had…

    If only they spent time and effort to read their holy book, they’d learn what it actually says, and would realise that they shouldn’t be listening to the politicians in the first place – but they never learn.

    In the meantime, we (the average Malaysians) keep hoping and praying that we don’t end up having to give up the only homes we have known all our lives because no one has the courage to think and talk like you guys do.

    Respect to All – Keep up the great work guys… πŸ™‚

  24. avatar findo says:

    To Mr. Daryono,

    “You all seem to be missing the point about what our legislators are trying to do. It is not about showing belly buttons; the point is if we start there; then we will send a signal to our young women that it is acceptable to walk around nearly naked; without shame as women do in places like Australia and America. If we don’t do something about it; then our religion and culture will have become obsolete and we will have no national identity left. We are Indonesians and we have to protect that against the onslaught of Western dominated cultural globalization. Some young Indonesian girls are already walking around in shopping malls in our cities dressed like prostitutes.”

    Do you know the difference about being nude(e.g. @beach, tanning) and being naked?? Why did you say indo girls dressed like prostitutes? Is it because you have a dirty mind? maybe the girls wear the normal clothes but your mind is dirty??
    Is Indonesia an Islamic country? if not, why did you tell women how to dress??
    What’s the connection between belly buttons and culture? Not all tradition in indo cover up their women like in arab… e.g. kebaya

    “It saddens me to read that people; some of whom are Indonesians; are asking if we still have a culture. Of course it is the duty of our legislators to protect the moral values that are our culture.”

    Oh right, moral values.. so you mean it’s okay for indon to steal/cheat on her friends as long as she wear a proper clothes?
    More about moral values, is TOLERATION not important for indonesian? why don’t you TOLERATE and RESPECT what the girls want to wear.. they have their own will, you know.

  25. avatar orgindo says:

    “It saddens me to read that people; some of whom are Indonesians; are asking if we still have a culture. Of course it is the duty of our legislators to protect the moral values that are our culture.”

    Legislators are not the one who have duty to protect the moral values. The community is the one who can enforce it. You cannot imposed LEGAL punishment over MORAL issues. It is time for them to take a look at themselves at the mirror and start thinking straight.

    I don’t know much about people who said that, but there are only two possibilities, either they are hypocrite or they are too naive. If they are the second one, they ll be forgiven.

  26. avatar Agusto says:

    Dear Ogindo,

    what are you talking about? Those legilatures are very good muslims, and they have good moral value just like our beloved Mohammad. No community can enforce anything, only sharia can. All we need is to emulate Muhammad and nothing could be better than that. We don’t need no mirror, all we want is sharia and jihad! We will cast terror into the infidels heart.

  27. avatar orgindo says:

    Dear Ogindo,

    what are you talking about? Those legilatures are very good muslims, and they have good moral value just like our beloved Mohammad. No community can enforce anything, only sharia can. All we need is to emulate Muhammad and nothing could be better than that. We don’t need no mirror, all we want is sharia and jihad! We will cast terror into the infidels heart.

    πŸ™‚

  28. avatar Agusto says:

    Dear Orgind,

    You should surrender to islam? It is very peaceful and tolerant! Or else….?

  29. avatar orgindo says:

    Dear Orgind,

    You should surrender to islam? It is very peaceful and tolerant! Or else”Β¦.?

    Honestly, people like you are the one that will make the world worse. Trying to pretend and misrepresent Islam, provocate public. Just go back to your room and sleep. The world is safer 1 day for each day u spend inside ur room.

  30. avatar kiwibali says:

    just found this thread.

    The Balinese and the Papuans are not Muslims and we are talking about women showing their breasts in very primitive village areas where they don’t know any better. They do not do it to deliberately arouse the lust of men. I am talking about Indonesia as a whole when I talk about how women should dress. The majority of our legislators are abiding by the teachings of Islam; which, with respect to all; is the word of God almighty.

    im deeply offended by this. so balinese and muslim dont know any better? are you trying to say that we are backward people, primitive people? – how dare you!
    ‘indonesia as whole’? are you saying Bali and Papuan are not part of the Republik of Indonesia?

    just remember ‘brother’ we fought alongside the muslim, the javanesse, the sundanesse the sumatrans etc during the colonial era. we even fought and killed our own, during the G30s/pki, under order from the central government. Are you now saying that those sacrifices worth nothing? our loyalty for Indonesia are not appreciated, now your force your ‘own muslim value’ on us? the pillar of country is, bhinekka tunggal ika! not Islam. if that was the case, do you think Indonesia will be half of their size now?

    without shame as women do in places like Australia and America.

    without shame? why should they be ashame, by their god given physical attribute? they can live how ever they like, they all can be fully naked if they want. who are you to judge people?

    If we don’t do something about it; then our religion and culture will have become obsolete and we will have no national identity left.

    and what is that national identity? burka’s instead of kebaya? if you want to keep the national culture, embrace it! by passing the RUU-APP you simply destroying it and replace it with arab-culture. then will we have no national identity left!. psst… protecting the national culture, such RUU will simply destroy it. how can embrace the kebaya and the traditional dances, if by so you are breaking the law? now how is that protecting the national culture?

    The Balinese have in fact been corrupted by Western pornographic values. Many young Balinese men have become gigolos for the disgusting pleasure of fat old Australian women who are looking for free sex that they would never get at home.

    hahah corrupted, funy really funny. gigolos? yeah we are the only one with this problem huh. have you ever think that maybe some people like fat people? maybe they like the wisdom of a mature woman? of course not, because only skinny-young girls that deserve a boyfriend.
    i guess we cant contain our god-like physical attribute, our perfectly tan skin, our chisel jaw, i tried to contain it but man those girls just keep wanting more πŸ˜€

    My race and civilization has suffered hundreds of years of colonial and foreign oppression. I have said that I stand to protect my country’s identity and culture. Yes; I believe in one god and that Muhammad is his prophet. Please refrain form personal insults.

    yeah now your are the one promoting the oppression mate, oppresion of creativity, freedom, culture, way of life, etc. you can believe any religion you want, and i respect that. but when this religion is being forced on someone else, then I’ll voice my discontent.

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