14 Comments on “KTP Religion”

1. Retarders Says:
   November 18th, 2006 at 4:56 am

   Indonesia needs to put “religion” in KTP because when you die, God will look at your KTP and decide, whether to put you in censored (jilbab) heaven or non-censored one.

2. Fanglong Says:
   November 18th, 2006 at 5:33 pm

   I think it can help or do the contrary.
   You know the case of blood transfusion : some have a religion which prohibits it (Mormons, etc.) : so, you have a bad accident, they look your KTP & see you’re a Mormon ! Shit : these guys don’t accept trasfusion : we’ve got to call the family, ask for permission, etc. This is one possibility, but, as you can see, it complicates the matter… I think opinions and the like are a real pain where you know. Everyone should calm down and accept the idea that, having fallen on Earth, we’re all brother & sisters, beyond the label (trademark?) of our respective religions…
   And this one, of course :

   Article 28 of the Constitution clearly states that the government must recognize all religions and faiths.

3. Parvita Says:
   November 28th, 2006 at 8:32 pm

   I don’t think my KTP has a religion part anymore, which is quite new. I found that out when I renewed my KTP.

   I think it is just for statistics, it has no intention for discrimination. Maybe I’m naive, but is there any case of discrimination because you are one of the minority religion follower?

4. pj_bali Says:
   March 12th, 2007 at 7:08 pm

   You could apply to build a church in Java - see how far you get. Preventing people from having a place of worship is pretty discriminatory. Could say say the same for mosques in East Indo but I haven’t come accross any cases (apart from Ahmadiyah) of mobs closing mosques. Maybe someone could share some examples of that?

   If they needed statistics they could do a census.

   Whether or not it has no intention of discrimination thats what it will be used for. As the minister said it could be used to check up on people to see if they are following the tenets of their religions. I wonder if a special police will be recruited for this extremely important task. There could also be an opportunity for a religious re-education camp somewhere so that these religious miscreants could have an opportunity to find the correct path - somewhere far from civilisation so as to be free of distractions such as telephones or tv. After a few decades of rehabilition they would be ready to resume their roles in society, this time in a proper manner according to their agama.

   Why not just leave the religion off the KTP. Who needs to know?

5. Robert Says:
   March 12th, 2007 at 10:49 pm

   11th March 2007.

   Thoha Abdurrahman, the head of the Yogyakarta branch of the Majelis Ulama Indonesia (MUI), urges against omitting the religion category. People could easily change their religion, back and forth, and this could create conflict in some areas, he said.

   Oh yeah, sure. Once the religion category has been omitted from the KTP, people will start changing their religion back and forth immediately. For example does he think that Muslims will become Protestants, Protestants will become Buddhists, Buddhists will become Catholics and Catholics become Muslims?
   Where did he get this insane idea from? That would mean people would only stick to their religion because it is mentioned on their KTP. Seems very unlikely.

   Omitting religion would prevent religious conflicts from occurring. Emphasizing religious difference only raises barriers between people. Why should a person know what the religion of another person is in the first way?
   Group classifications can be very dangerous as history shows us: South-Africa, Nazi-Germany, Rwanda.

   Sectarian violence as did occur was provoked by foreigners who sought to destroy Indonesia and so omitting the religion category on I.D. cards would have no effect.

   Which foreigners? And why haven’t these foreigners been arrested by the Indonesian Police? Which persons is Abdurrahman referring to? Again is an internal problem blamed to foreigners.

   If people followed their religion properly there would be no conflict, he added, minorities were protected under Islamic law

   Apparently people don’t follow their religion properly. What Islamic law does he refer to? Minorities shouldn’t be subjected to Islamic law at all. There is no need for that.
   Abdurrahman’s ideas are far away from reality and are purely based on wishful thinking.

6. Andrew Says:
   March 12th, 2007 at 11:39 pm

   What a shallow and meaningless conclusion from the head of a major organization.
   If he doesn’t have a rational and logical opinion, he should just shut up - that would’ve saved his face.

7. Dimp Says:
   March 13th, 2007 at 5:25 am

   Hi Andrew,

   If he doesn’t have a rational and logical opinion.

   I thought this is one of the major requirement to become Indonesian officials. You can clearly see that anyone who have or develop rational and logical opinions will never last long in the office.

8. Ihaknt Says:
   March 13th, 2007 at 6:25 am

   Great! Hey Cuk why don’t you apply? Or you probably already are.

9. Tomaculum Says:
   March 15th, 2007 at 8:31 pm

   minorities were protected under Islamic law

   Wow, how kind and merciful!
   As a minority I would prefer to be protected under a functioning earthen governmental law. But maybe I’m just a minority under the minorities?

10. Robert Says:
    March 27th, 2007 at 4:48 pm

    The video shows there are many solid reasons advocating omission of religion on the KTP. Unfortunately, it seems that there hasn’t flown too much blood to convince the Indonesian Government. Even foreign examples are not enough, like the Lebanese lady tells.

    We all know what happened in Europe in the 30’s 40’s of the last century, where the Jews got the character J stamped on their KTP’s, it was the perfect tool in the extermination of the Jews, result 6.000.000 people killed. We saw what happended in Rwanda where the KTP’s stated whether you were a Tutsi or Hutu, also here the result was literally devastating, 800.000 people killed.

    It is very simple, the more personal characteristics are being stated on the KTP, the easier it gets to discriminate and the bigger the chance of abuse. I don’t know about the real reason of mentioning religion on the KTP. The arguments that it is for harmony, or to prevent people from deviating from “the path”, are just plain bullsh*t, because Indonesia shows the opposite. Maybe it is for future purposes that once Indonesia has become an Islamic state, the Government can deal swift and quickly with other religions.

    I don’t know what is necessary to change the minds of the Indonesian Parliamentarians, history and bloodshed don’t seem to work.

11. Mohammed Khafi Says:
    March 28th, 2007 at 2:04 pm

    Robert said:

    I don’t know what is necessary to change the minds of the Indonesian Parliamentarians, history and bloodshed don’t seem to work.

    Promises of easy money seem to work!

    Peace

12. Sassy Says:
    April 10th, 2007 at 9:07 am

    Religion is between Human and God, not Government. It should be only God knows my religion. The people just know my attitude, how can I related with them, how can I spread peace around the world. That’s the religion that should people see, not just written in KTP.

13. Khaled Elkasi Says:
    May 15th, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    Religion in KTP is necessary for those who works in the Ministery of Relegion (Departmen Kementrian Agama). It gives them works.

    Departemen Agama Kementrian Agama is the souce of all corruptions !
    The people who work the this depertment are all immoral.

14. Rob Says:
    May 16th, 2008 at 3:31 am

    Perhaps a more general question needs to be asked and that is:

    Can the State regulate a citizen’s beliefs?

    For many perhaps stating a religion is a mere formality to the KTP process and it is not worth the hassle of trying to convince some pencil pusher that you do not believe in one of the approved religions…

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