Beheadings Trial

Mar 21st, 2007, in IM Posts, by David

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Tomaculum Says:
November 10th, 2006 at 12:50 am
Wow, what courageous fighters!
“Fighting” against weaker, defenseless opposer.
I imagine they were in Lebanon to fight there as human bombs, they will surely be incontinently sh*ting and pissing.
If god approves such heroic deeds, than I will rather be an atheist and go to hell willingly.
But I know (or better: hope) that he doesn’t do it and that the other real Moslems will condemn them and their barbaric primitive deed. And I hope that at least in this case a serious persecution will be done.
But I still stay on my opinion, that that isn’t Islamic crime. The men are simply mentally disturbed and they aren’t Moslems.
Maybe they should be formal officialy “deIslamized”?
Andrew Says:
November 10th, 2006 at 5:13 am
A picture of an extremely brave young man. Attacking defenseless young girls, how shameless is that. I guess they have no balls to take on real men.

What a waste of the “Hasanuddin” name
Erwin Says:
November 10th, 2006 at 6:58 am
Hasanuddin is in search of 72 virgins!
Bradlymail Says:
November 10th, 2006 at 10:18 am
Let them to face a death penalty. They are not deserved to live in this world!
Daniel Says:
November 10th, 2006 at 11:18 am
It is sad that those girls died so horrifically. It is sadder that there are many more death, dumb, and blind people who believe that what they did was right.

I heard a Saviour once say “forgive them father for they know not what they do”.
Karlira Kanakahuko Says:
November 10th, 2006 at 1:55 pm
I agree with Andrew. That boy acted his evilness to these defenseless young women. Those Muslim Indonesian boys behead three young women should penalty them to death and they go and live in hell forever. Those boys beheading three girls are only instrument by devil to spread Islamic imperialism.
Hassan Says:
November 12th, 2006 at 4:09 pm
oh yes, this hasanuddin guy MUST be guilty, even before the court issued a verdict. but tibo cs, MUST be innocent, even after they had been found guilty and executed. that is what double standard is all about.

Karlira Kanakahuko: oh yeah, the Muslim woman from saudi speaks again. still thinks you’re a Muslim saudi woman?
Andrew Says:
November 12th, 2006 at 11:29 pm
It’s frustrating isn’t it, Hassan, when evidence is all around you?
Czeslaw Says:
November 13th, 2006 at 5:04 am
Tomaculum, the mentally disturbed people do not plan, do not search do not look for counsel to justify their deeds and acts.

Also, if your read the case, these criminals admitted that they were guided by Muslim clerics. It doesn’t seems like any Muslim cleric will face justice in this case, as they didn’t face the justice in prior cases.

So, there is not only problem with criminals like Hasanuddin, alias Hasan, alias Slamet Raharjo, but people like attorney general Saleh are covering the bases for more horror and more terror in Indonesia. In any law school, Saleh would be held accountable for these crimes as the cirminals themselves. But it won’t happen in Indonesia, because Indonesia is Islamic state.

Looking back at the cases of Mr Tibo, Mr. DeSilva, and Mr Riwu, and the comments of attorney general Saleh, who said, “…if these man will not be executed, it will violate Islamic principals…” that puts entire Indonesia on the spot.

I still do not believe in the death penalty. So, I will not support the death penalty for these criminals, as I didn’t support the death penalty in the case of Mr Tibo, Mr Riwu, and Mr DeSilva.

The only thing is, that the Islamic principals are the factors. No judicial body is questioned, because it doesn’t exist in Indonesia. This is also back-firing on Muslims.
Orgindo Says:
November 13th, 2006 at 11:39 am
Sigh, this is a face of Indonesian people. Double standard. Well, if you think it is a double standard for Christian, consider how Amrozi cs has not even executed yet.

It is not double standard my friends. It is their attitude. TIbo cs at least repent and regret. Amrozi and this guy did not even know that they are wrong and still think it is a great victory and gift. It is the mindset, my friend. it is not about Christian or Islam. After all, Christian also had a bleak past, such as inquisition. But I am not talking about the religion, I am talking about the extremism, about brainwashing, about hatred.
1ndra Says:
November 13th, 2006 at 10:03 pm
Yeah, the same case, as Tibo cs is being blessed by priests before attacking and killing Muslims…

The religion itself, forbid terror and killing civilian, so this is only the personal matters, not the religion.
Czeslaw Says:
November 14th, 2006 at 2:59 am
1ndra,

“The religion itself, forbid terror and killing civilian, so this is only the personal matters, not the religion. …”

So, regardless of your religus teachings, if you wish, or at your own will, you still can go out and “slain” an infidel, which means any one with diferent point of view than yours.

Where do I sign for this….
1ndra Says:
November 14th, 2006 at 8:39 pm
Slain? In what point?
Hassan Says:
November 15th, 2006 at 9:50 pm
czeslaw: Indonesia is not an Islamic country, it’s a pancasila country. pancasila got it’s origins on javanese morality and culture, plus some added element of secularism. that is Indonesia. don’t get that wrong the next time around.

and Muslims are not allowed to kill infidels, or any other forms of unjust murder. we may kill infidels who waged war against us, but who doesn’t?

andrew: what evidence? are you a part of the investigating force on those cases?
1ndra Says:
November 15th, 2006 at 10:01 pm
Hassan right, next time you must pay a visit here, not just read from horror books…
The “kill and slain” only valid in war, I’ve quoted it from Quran in other topic
Czeslaw Says:
November 16th, 2006 at 1:03 am
35% of russia are communst, and russian is considerd a communist country
about 20 % of N Korea are non forced communists, and N Korea is a communist country.

Almos 90(+\-)% of Indonesian are Islam, and Indonesia is not Islam country?

Kill and slain only in war?

Where the three Indonesian school grisl in the act of war against somebody?

Where the people in Bali in the act of war against somedobey?

Where the people in Madrid bombing in the act of war against anybody?

Where the victims of London bobmig in the act of war against anydobey?

Where the Ormians in the act of war aginst anybody?

Was Rome looted by msulims, becasue Rome was at war with Islam?

Were Spaniards boiled in hot oils, becasue they were at war with Islam, etc., etc., etc.

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Please visit http://www.shoebat.com or….

if truth bothers you, go head chopping…
1ndra Says:
November 16th, 2006 at 8:03 am
Beheading? Dont be childish Czeslaw, a criminal is a criminal, it’s nonsense to judge a criminal opinion act as the same as a whole world opinion.

Just imagine, I’m a rober, I shoot you and take your wallet, using your money for gambling but later proclaimed that I did that for Muslim. Stone cold crazy, yeah!
What a lie from a criminal

You know what? All people I know, Muslim or not, curse that beheading and other violence that proclaimed as a tribute for their religion.
Ismail Says:
November 19th, 2006 at 5:29 am
Czeslaw you are right on target!!, Islam is what Islam does, all 1ndra needs to do is to go study Islam and stop confusing it with Christianity, offcourse Islam teaches killing infidels and not just in war. khaybar Jews were massacred and it was not war,they were just easy picking, over 700 hundred men were beheaded, most of them were killed by mohammed himself, this is after they had surrendered and the killing pleased Allah because they refused to accept mohammed as a prophet, how sad.

Muslims say you fight when you are attacked, I am shocked that Muslims emphasis that, as if its not normal, Arabs have been doing that long before Islam, it sad that the best there ‘godly sublime moral’ prophet can teach is what comes rather natural to man. revenge is a godly word in Islam. they can’t pray for there enemy, they just want them dead simple.

Jesus says forgive and it’s that simple, yes people who call themselves ”Christians” have killed, they can’t claim the words of Jesus. but its not the same in Islam Mohammed personally carried about 27 raids and some for revenge and some because he was rejected and several assasinations, for reasons as silly as he was insulted.

then you hear Muslims say, that this act are not Islamic, its either they don’t know Islam at all, or they are practicing ‘tarqiya’ laying and decieving the nfidels.
ali Says:
November 19th, 2006 at 5:50 am
Last night I watched a TV program, which shows excerpts and video clips from various TV channels across the middle east. Boy, was it chilling – they are spreading hatred freely and openly. Too many to mention here, but two of them sends chill down my spine:

(1) an elementary school textbook in Jordania that says Islam is the only religion and that Islam will force “infidels” to convert (can’t remember the exact wordings, but that’s pretty much the message)

(2) an interview with a 3.5 year-old girl (from Syria, I think):

reporter: “do you like the Jews?”
girl: “no”
reporter: “why?”
girl: “because my god tells me not to, they are apes and pigs”

It is obvious that the seed of hatred has been sown at a very early age.
Awesome. This is where the world is heading.
1ndra Says:
November 19th, 2006 at 3:43 pm
Well, at least here, in my community, we bring peace and togetherness in our life…
Czeslaw Says:
November 20th, 2006 at 4:52 am
Hi Ismail. how do you?

Are you an infideal like I am? )

The 700 khaybar Jews were massacre was not a Genocide, but still these 700 human lives were wasted to prove in what most of us believe, that Islam is a university for Genocide students.

It is sad, what I just said, but I do not know how else to comment.

I do not hold any wrong thoughts against Muslims. I have seen lately the film from Pakistan, from a small Paki town, the best al-qaeda terror-mill there is. Some guy who did the video risked to be beheaded. But, what an eye opener it was to me when I have seen it.

Then when you go back to middle east, there is a geographical conflict. Arabs are pushing hard the hate games and hate crimes. Not much changed since first beduin and nomads tribes registered in these areas since last 4,000 years or so ago. So, that tells you where Arabs and Islam are today. Also it shows their superior advancement of their culture and their superiority over “all others” which was put on the brakes of civilization some 1,500 to 2,000 years ago.

But I have to add, and that is only my one person view. But also, if I may comment here, that Jews are also very nationalists as Arab tribes and late German nazis were during WW II. I know a Jew fellow who married a Polish girl. Since there was the “mix of blood” this fellow was taken off from his father’s will, because of it. It seems, like there are many racial and antagonistic custom in the Arab countries areas, where Israel is inbeded. There is no point to argue which way it come from, from Jews to Arabs or vs. It seems like the whole region is infected with racial hate.
So, definitively, Arabs and Jews think they are superior to other nationalities, as Hitler turn Germans in this same way of “nazi” thinking. That is sad.

Ismail, this tragic of the brainwashing from the earliest age possible, shall get international attention. But that excludes UN and we all know why. There is also teaching going on now in Iran, that teaches young girls at same age group as you mentioning here, to cut infidels heads off. So, Iranian school children are being educated in the highest Islamic standards of Genocide studies.

How more sick and psychopathic can it get?

Did you guys know, that this Achmadjian, or whatever his name is in Teheran, is the member of the “12ers”, the Islamic religious death occult, which was even outlawed by ayatollah Khomeini?

From what I know, is that Achmadjian, or whatever, is placing his occult death members in the highest positions in Iran. So, what I see and can put 2 + 2 together, Iran got it self a new Josef Stalin. Now one talks about yet, but just watch Iran closely. We will be starting to learn about mass executions, interrogation, people disappearing, like was during Stalin years in Soviets.

My problem now is, who will strike Iran first, NATO or Israel, before Iran will strike Israel.

I have no a shadow of a doubt, that Iran at first possibility will nuke Jews.

My Persian friends are telling me, that if Arab would have to shake hands with me, let say in doing business transaction, that makes this Arab a defiled person. He must go and wash him self off before he can eat, go home, etc..
Ismail Says:
November 20th, 2006 at 10:26 pm
with regards to Islam I am most certainly an infidel. it’s a religion of hate, an ideology that glorify what civil people call indecent, its makes normal people beccome murderers, if you have a Muslim friend that is moderate in his Islam, he simply doesn’t understand Islam or he loves life to really care, because in Islam there no middle ground because there is no moderate Quran or hadith, the both teach hate plain and simple.
Orgindo Says:
November 20th, 2006 at 10:54 pm
careful with that statement.
Unless you have read a koran before and understand it (I have not), then the statement would be rendered useless in the ear of other people.

if you see what happen with us, the same thing happen years ago with Christian when the crusader slaughtered the Jew and Muslim on their way to the Holy City. So, is that hatred taught in bible? It depends which part you read. But most of the time, people mistakenly took God’ wrath as a reason to do some dreadful thing.

let God fight for himself, defend himself. After all, He is God and to chop somebody’s head off doesnt give you a good standing in front of God.

Peace.
Ismail Says:
November 20th, 2006 at 11:12 pm
orgindo, i do understand your concern, and I am always careful what i say and write, but anything i say about he Quran and hadith is true, as for the crusader they can’t possible be Christians, please think about it, yes they called themselves Christians but are they?, Jsus said that “by there fruit you shall know them” can you find any instructions that Jesus gave that encourage killing anyone. sir I am more that certain you will not find, this is what Jesus said love your enemy, pray for them.

the first Christian did this and that is why they were called Christians(which literally means Christ-likeness)
there is no words of Christ that the so called crusaders can hold on to as a justifications of the deed.And all the volence in the bible without exception where NARRATIVE they are not instructive and as Christian we are to follow the lord Jesus and his words nothing more, nothing less. the word Christian is what you are called when you behave and live Christ and its not a title you pick-up and thump arround
finally i can tell you that everything you see Muslims do from 9/11 to 7/7 and the burning of churches,the killing of infidels are precise the demands of Islam. they are not fanatics they are the real believers, and sir if you care i can prove every word i say and said
Orgindo Says:
November 21st, 2006 at 2:40 am
That’s true.

But there is a danger of generalization. Prejudice and presumption to someone’s who is Islam is not a wisest thing to do.

But, i gain alot of insight from a sermon about Islam here . Take a look at the sermon entitled “The Root of Islam” by Andy Stanley if you have time. It would offend many Muslim and Christian, but it is worth to take a look.
Andrew Says:
November 21st, 2006 at 5:49 am
The sermon is an eye-opener.

One thing that is key – at least to me – is the concept of “progressive revelation” in the Koran. It explains what so far seem to be inconsistencies to me.
Czeslaw Says:
November 21st, 2006 at 12:58 pm
Ismail , please read these three first Christian martyrs:

I. St. Stephen.

This early martyr was elected, with six others, as a deacon of the first Christian church. He was also an able and successful preacher. The principal persons belonging to five Jewish synagogues entered into dispute with him; but he, by the soundness of his doctrine, and the strength of his arguments, overcame them all, which so much irritated them, that they bribed false witnesses to accuse him of blaspheming God and Moses. On being carried before the council, he made a noble defense; but this so much exasperated his judges, that they resolved to condemn him. At the instant Stephen saw a vision from heaven, representing Jesus, in his glorified state, sitting at the right hand of God. This vision so enraptured him, that he exclaimed, “Behold I see the heavens open, and the Son of Man standing on the right hand of God.” This caused him to be condemned, and having dragged him out of the city they stoned him to death. On the spot where he was martyred, Eudocia, the empress of Theodosius, erected a superb church, and the memory of the martyr is annually celebrated on the 26th day of December.
The death of Stephen was succeeded by a severe persecution in Jerusalem, in which 2000 Christians, with Nicanor the deacon, were martyred, and many others obliged to leave their country.

II. St. James the Great.

He was a Galilean, and the son of Zebedee, a fisherman, the elder brother of St. John, and related to Christ himself; for his mother Salome was cousin to the Virgin Mary. Being one day with his father fishing in the sea of Galilee, he and his brother John were called by the Saviour to become his disciples. They cheerfully obeyed the mandate, and leaving their father, followed Jesus. It is to be observed, that Christ placed greater confidence in them than in any other of the apostles, Peter excepted. Christ called these brothers Boanerges, or sons of thunder, on account of their vigorous minds and zealous spirits.
When Herod Agrippa was made governor of Judea by the emperor Caligula, he raised a persecution against the Christians, and particularly selected James as an object of his vengeance. This martyr, on being condemned to death, showed such intrepidity and constancy of mind, that even his accuser was struck with admiration, and became a convert to Christianity. This transition so enraged the people in power, that they condemned him likewise to death; when the apostle, and his penitent accuser, were both beheaded on the same day and with the same sword. These events took place in the year of Christ 44; and the 25th of July was fixed by the church for the commemoration of James’s martyrdom. About the same period, Timon and Parmenas, two of the seven deacons, suffered martyrdom, the former at Corinth, and the latter at Philippi, in Macedonia.

III. St. Philip.

This apostle and martyr was born at Bethsaida, in Galilee, and was the first called by the name of disciple. He was employed in several important missions by Christ, and being deputed to preach in Upper Asia, laboured very diligently in his apostleship. He then traveled into Phrygia, and arriving at Heliopolis, found the inhabitants to sunk in idolatry, as to worship a large serpent. St. Philip, however, was the means of converting many of them to Christianity, and even procured the death of the serpent. This so enraged the magistrates, that they committed him to prison, had him severely scourged, and afterwards crucified. His friend, St. Bartholomew, found an opportunity of taking down the body, and burying it; for which, however, he was very near suffering the same fate. The martyrdom of Philip happened eight years after that of James the Great, A. D. 52; and his name, together with that of St. James the Less, is commemorated on the 1st of May.

As a case of study, how many there are Islam people who are maryrs. I am not talking here about these barain wash poor victims who blow them selves up. This brain washing of these poor and uneducated people is pure Satanic act.

There is one Islam person whom I do know, by reading that could qualify as a martyr. El-Bab, of late 1800s, who was murderd by his own Islam “faithful” myllah, imans, and aytollahs. Similar scenario like with the Jewish prophets, which majority was murdered by revolting against God Jews.

Definitely, pure Christianity is to Love Your Enemy, as Jesus said. And let me tell you, that is the hardest part to love some one, who just beheaded your own daughter.

Muslims/Islamists did never knew that feeling of forgiveness, love and comapssion. If they would understund it, if they would know it, they will not harm a single person.

But look at Iraq! They have fun by beheading other Muslims. One Muslims is beheading another muslism just for the sake of beheading, just to get busy in the day.

How to read this “religion”?
Ismail Says:
November 21st, 2006 at 3:13 pm
Czeslaw, again i must say you are right on target. Bless you sir.
1ndra Says:
November 21st, 2006 at 7:33 pm
What a flatterer…

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Israel always the evil side, just look at what they have done.

That’s good that PBB cursed them”¦
Ismail Says:
November 22nd, 2006 at 3:37 pm
1ndra, said

Israel always the evil side, just look at what they have done.

That’s good that PBB cursed them”¦

I guess its true where Islam is concerned, its just painful for Muslims, that even though ‘prophet’ killed and barnished the Jews, they are still one of the best countries in the world, even though Islamic countries boycotted there product, the country is still 16th strongest economy in the world and the 3rd most effect millitary.

And certainly the most powerful in the middle east. its just painful for Muslims,the real problem is that the life of a Jew is worth nothing to Muslims and there prophet, in fact they are regarded as pigs and they are regularly accused of all kind on things. more recently the darfur crisis where Muslims are kill blacks daily. ha religion of piece indeed.

how many times have Jews propose to blow anyone up, or terrorise any country with death and distruction.
mainwhile i can say certainly that almost all the conflict in the world has a common denominator ISLAM, from tailand, mali, algeria, labanon, london, india, morroco….. this list is unending, yet Muslims say isreal is always the evil side. big SHAME

finally let me remind Muslims reader Isreal has never lost a war with the Arabs, inspite of your chant to Allah and mohammed, because Allah is not the god of the bible they will never win not even with the ranting of the iranian president to that effect.