12 Comments on “Sholat in Indonesian”
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ali Says:
November 10th, 2006 at 11:13 pmNo can do dude, Allah only speaks Arabic.
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Anonymous_aloy Says:
November 11th, 2006 at 12:12 pmWe need people like Yusman Roy to really know where we stand on tolerance and religious freedom.
Cases like his helps us to identify Muslim leaders who say they are very tolerant and open minded and those who really are.
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Hassan Says:
November 15th, 2006 at 9:40 pmMuslims can pray (”berdoa”) in any languages. but Muslims should only perform shalat in Arabic.
Muhammad (pbuh) said: “shalatlah sebagaimana engkau melihat aku shalat”. Muhammad (pbuh) always performed his shalats in Arabic and in congregation (”berjama’ah”).
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Munafikbangetloepade Says:
November 17th, 2006 at 3:07 amYes, Arab words, when pronounced, generate that special frequency in the air, that will help the world maintains its perfect balance…. That’s what god just told me (I just met him in a gay bar).
He advised that the government should give room for people to conduct worship according to their beliefs because Indonesia was a democratic nation.
Was?
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O. Bule Says:
November 17th, 2006 at 3:20 amGoverment should never get involved in arguments that take place withing religious groups. It was wrong of the Indonesian government to lock this guy up for leading sholat in bahasa Indonesia.
Personally, I am all for performing sholat in Indonesian or English, or whatever the local language may be. As for so called ‘hadith’, they are not the words of God, but the words of men, and should be disregarded. Everything a Moslem needs is in the Al Quran. ‘Hadith’ is garbage.
O. Bule
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Tomaculum Says:
November 19th, 2006 at 8:47 pmI would rather doing sholat in bahasa Indonesia or bahasa Jawa but I would only do it in my heart (as a dialogue with Him). Why? Because I would understand it better (so I would able to interprete and to internalize it better too), but at the same way I don’t want being beheaded or stoned to death.
I have read somewhere:
Languages are a gift of God so we can comunicate each other.
So why shouldn’t people pray in one of these God’s languages? He/she is a sinner who place one of God’s gift (in this case a language) as less worth to the other, he/she insults God. -
Patung Says:
November 24th, 2006 at 1:28 amGood article in the Jakarta Post on Roy, by Duncan Graham:
Yusman Roy: Fighting to pray in peace
Some quotes from Roy in the article:
The problem with many Muslims in Indonesia is that they don’t think for themselves. They just follow whatever the leader says. They stand in the mosque and mumble, but they don’t understand what the clerics are saying because they don’t know Arabic. What’s the problem with using Indonesian? God understands everything we think and say, whatever the language.
There’s no commandment to use Arabic. We should debate, not fight.
I’m not afraid of being charged again, but don’t expect it. The government’s job is to protect all citizens whatever their views, and I demand that protection.
The government should be allowing space for public dialog and I want to encourage that. The people who attack me don’t know right from wrong — they don’t understand the prayers in Arabic so they don’t pray properly. Quality matters.
These people are losers. There are many terrorists in Islam — they’ve lost their way. They’ve become criminals and anarchists. Prayer is the foundation of Islam. When that collapses everything else goes down.
This is what I believe. There’s a group in Indonesia that wants to keep Islam backward. This is a political issue. I’m angry at what they’ve done to me, but I forgive them.
Many say they support me, but don’t help. I’m fighting this cause as a pioneer with my soul and property. It’s difficult being alone, but I’m sure God will protect me.
I want my good name restored. I’m an Indonesian Muslim, not an Arab Muslim! Why would anyone want to stop me?
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November 24th, 2006 at 2:35 am“Shalatlah sebagaimana engkau melihat aku bersalat”
1. Mohammad is already dead for a long time ago, so we can’t see him doing shalat. And like Rashomon effect: 5 watchers will reflect things they’ve seen differently.
2. We can interprete the sentence this way: we should do the shalat like Muhammad did, but only the movements to pray to Allah. He didn’t say (if he really said it!) explicit, that we have to use his language. I think Muhammad was an intelligent and foresighted man, who could look ahead, that the religion he founded will dispread in the whole world and I’m sure he knew, that there are many, many languages spoken in this world. It seems to me much illogical, that such an intelligent and foresighted man had insisted, that his local language has to be used all the time. And as a wise man he surely awaited, that his teachings should be understood in the whole world.
And I ask myself: how many Indonesian Muslimahs and Muslims understand really the Al Qur’an? Take the word “Jihad” as an example. How many know, that the most important Jihad (al-dschihÄd al-akbar) is the endeavour against the mean/bad self (which direct us to the evil)? How many know that Jihad means the effort/endeavour or to exert/to labor, but also to fight/to struggle?
So why don’t use a populace language? To avoid independent and critical thinking? -
November 24th, 2006 at 11:42 amyes Tomaculum, i think Muhammad (pbuh) was a man with foresight. he knew (and Allah SWT told him) that this religion named Islam will spread worldwide. isn’t it true that Islam is “rahmatan lil alamin”? hence, he knew that Islam will be embraced by people of all races and religion, and if Allah had permitted him to say so, he would’ve said that we can pray in any languages and just follow the movements that he had examplified. but he didn’t say that, did he?
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November 24th, 2006 at 12:14 pmHassan, we come back again to the question: how we interprete a long time ago spoken and written messages.
You’re right, he didn’t say, that Muslimahs and Muslims are allowed to do shalat in any languages, but in the sentence you’ve cited, he also didn’t utter explicit about the language to be used, isn’t he?
And back again to my comment: how many Muslimahs and Muslims do really understand the words (read: the messages) in Al Qur’an? Isn’t it desirable, that every Islam follower understand it thoroughly?
I’m aware too, that this assume a translation in the respective languages which has - as much as possible - to be free from any subjective interpretations. And here we find a further problem.
This is also like the translation of the bible. -
KH. Moch. Yusman Roy Says:
June 21st, 2007 at 8:18 pmDear Readers,
I am Yusman Roy himself, who’s been spending almost 2 years in jail, because I was defending what I believe till right now. Please be known all of my arguments of my ideas of bilingual sholat, are based ONLY on THE HOLY QURAN, while those who spoke against me, use man-made sources other than Al Quran, ( Remember Hadiths and Fiqh are all man-made, written CENTURIES after the death of Prophet Muhammad SAW )Further more, I am sad with the fact that, Muslims still fight and persecute each other through unfair and non-civilized ways, if differences do occur among us. I am a victim and living evidence of this unislamic system practiced by those who claim themselves MUSLIM. Please stop fighting! ISLAM means PEACE AND SALVATION. Let’s dialog in peaceful way, solving any problem facing us.
If you would like to contact me, please write to : KH. Moch. Yusman Roy, No. 136, Sumber Waras Timur, Lawang, Malang, East Jawa, Indonesia. I’ll be glad to answer all of your questions. Thanks, and God bless you all.
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jamal Says:
January 8th, 2008 at 12:18 pm‘Hadith’ is garbage.
With out the sunna from hadith many fundamental aspects of islam would be unclear. The quran does not tell people how to salah. It tells us to establish the salah. So hadith and sunnah is very important to islam. For you to call hadith garbage is very insulting.
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