Flag Proud & Cliff Muntu

Nov 1st, 2006, in News, by

Not everyone is sure which way the Indonesian flag goes, and one man paid with his life for raising it the wrong way.

A 23-year-old security guard in Banda Aceh died after a policeman beat him because he had raised the national flag the wrong way up, says Antara antara. Mukhtar Razali was beaten and made to perform push-ups by an unnamed policemen, apparently outraged at seeing the national colours so poorly treated, at the town’s social affairs agency office last week. Mukhtar Razali died shortly after in hospital due to heart failure.

The Indonesian flag
The Indonesian flag, the right way up.

Banda Aceh district police chief Zulkarnain said:

He was hit on the chest but we had no knowledge whether he had other illnesses that could also be the cause to his death.

Provincial police spokesman Jodi Heriyadi said the case was being investigated by internal affairs. Antara says that national feelings run high among soldiers and police in Aceh, after they had battled a separatist rebellion for decades, and they are sensitive to any possible insults to such symbols as the flag.

Another flag related death occurred in Sumedang, West Java in early April 2007. A student at the public service academy for the internal affairs department (Institut Pemerintahan Dalam Negeri (IPDN)), 19 year old Cliff Muntu from Manado, was beaten to death by fellow students apparently because he failed to hold the academy’s flag in a proper fashion. Five people from IPDN have admitted beating Cliff to death. L6

Cliff Muntu
Cliff Muntu’s body.


15 Comments on “Flag Proud & Cliff Muntu”

  1. avatar Andrew says:

    The poor dude might have made a mistake, but that didn’t give the police the right to beat him up.

  2. avatar Miss Indo 07 says:

    One flag worth a man’s life? Indonesia is full of people who always feel they have right to judge others, full of people who always think that they’re right and the others are wrong, and the government, the president, who were chosen by people, can’t do anything about that, isn’t that sad?

  3. avatar Motz says:

    Yup, it’s sad, and worse, it’s reality.

    Now, who else want to change reality beside me?

  4. avatar Czeslaw says:

    Brrrr…
    Killing a man for that?

    I wonder if they would kill school children if school children my even by fun and learning process play with the positioning of the Indonesian flag in any possible in their childish way?

    Would they be beheaded? I know of some Indonesian school girls which were beheaded in Indonesia for something. Did they turn flag inappropriately too?

    Wouldn’t it make sense, if Indonesia police catch the criminals who beheaded these school girls instead of killing this poor fellow?

    Hello Indonesia, it is 20th Century.

    The stone and bronze age ended let say, 30,000 years ago. Mohamad roam the earth about 1,300 years ago…

    What is wrong with Indonesia?

  5. avatar Tomaculum says:

    Now the policeman is proud having defended his flag!

    Banda Aceh district police chief Zulkarnain said:
    He was hit on the chest but we had no knowledge whether he had other illnesses that could also be the cause to his death.
    So folks, try to get a medical certification from your doctors, that you have a serious illness, so you won’t never be beaten again.
    Or they should take into the curiculum of the police school, that a police officer has allways to ask their victims about a serious disease befor hitting them.
    And if the victims (sorry: delinquents) doesn’t owe any disease, then the party can begin!

  6. avatar O. Bule says:

    I am proud of the flag of the U.S.A., but no one should be beaten to death for mistreatment of a national flag. This cop should be given his fair trial, and then hung.

    O. Bule

  7. avatar Czeslaw says:

    O. Bule,

    It is very nice and good character that you love and respect your American flag. Bravo!

    Our Polish flag is upside down Indonesian flag and vs. We Poles have white at the top and red at the bottom, Indonesia has red at top and white on the bottom.

    I am not sure that this poor fellow who was killed, tried to convert Indonesia to Poland. That would be funky art. Since Islam do not recognizes funk and fun, the fellow got nailed for his mis-hap, he got killed. I wonder if he was non-Muslim? Any comment on this status, please.

    All in all, it just shows the poor and uneducated police force in Indonesia. Probably, one just need a warm body, by Muslim hate non-Muslim, and here we go, you are cop in Indonesia.

    In Poland right after WW II, from 1945 till late ’60s, Soviet controlled Polish government was taking criminals and uneducated to join secret and police force. Men, you wouldn’t believe how bad it was in Poland from 1945 till late ’70s.

    In Poland the more stupid, more uneducated and more criminal minded people, than were working in “Milicja”, the communist police force. I think if some one got the the IQ level of a cat, would not qualify to be a polish cop at that time. That was to much and to high.

    I am not sure about the sanity or education level of the cops who killed this poor fellow in Indonesia, basically for nothing , like it was always the case in Poland in our communism times, but I am not sure that they (Indonesian Police) would compete and beat Polish “Milicjia” imbeciles squads at that time, for their stupidity. Impossible!

    So, here Indonesia, you are still somewhere around 1945 post WW II cold communist era in Poland and you are under Islamic regime, no difference.

    Goo luck to you all, we made it, so shall you!

    Cheers!!!

  8. avatar Robert says:

    Banda Aceh district police chief Zulkarnain said:

    He was hit on the chest but we had no knowledge whether he had other illnesses that could also be the cause to his death.

    This is the lamest excuse I ever heard. But, now it becomes all clear. Maybe all the people who died during religious fights, didn’t die of beating or clubbing, but of the deseases thay already had.

    Antara says that national feelings run high among soldiers and police in Aceh, after they had battled a separatist rebellion for decades, and they are sensitive to any possible insults to such symbols as the flag.

    Apparently they have fought so hard that there isn’t spark of humanity left in them. So they have become cold, relentless assassins.

    A student at the public service academy for the internal affairs department (Institut Pemerintahan Dalam Negeri (IPDN)), 19 year old Cliff Muntu from Manado, was beaten to death by fellow students apparently because he failed to hold the academy’s flag in a proper fashion.

    What kind of training do these students get at IPDN concerning the handling of the flag? That is allowed to kill a person who is handling the flag in an inappropriate manner?
    It is good the article mentions they are students. I already had mistaken them for patients at some kind of mental asylum. Their acts resemble those of psychopaths.

  9. avatar Abdul Khalid al Jumhuri says:

    Folks,

    This is CLASSIFIED and TOP SECRET, so treat this information accordingly. The IPDN actually stands for the Institute for the Psychopaths and Deranged of the Nation.

  10. avatar Hns says:

    Both police and IPDN’s students are educated with high violence level at their school. no one know why, but the tradition of violence occurs both at the campus or outside campus.

    After graduate, they keep tradition of violence. Another example, a police in central java, shot his chief to death (before he killed himself) last month, the motive has not revealed yet.

    So, it’s not the matter of raising the national flag way up wrong, but it’s about the mental of doing violence, and this tradition, surprisingly, people keep that so.

  11. avatar Robert K says:

    Yes, poor boy he came from Manado ( Bunaken Island or Manado Tua ) which is the majority is Christian. No wonder if seniors will kick his ass when he tried to defense his religion.

  12. avatar Czeslaw says:

    Well, I would guess that the reality show in Indonesians style.
    I wonder how much the Islam religion have to do with these tragic occurances?

    Men, I never belived that there are more stupid and retarded beings then when there were Polish voulantary and regual cops in a communist regime in Poland. I thought that was the top of the cream. That was way back till the early 80s.

    But these in INdonesia must be train criminals who work for the police force.

    To whom the peple should go for help, if the police is the source of burtality, inability of functionin and is completely bases on religouse prejudice?

    Islam?

  13. avatar Robert K says:

    You got money you got the law. That why they called “Uang Sogok”. It’s happened all the time. Too sad?

  14. avatar Mcsandy says:

    Czeslaw.

    Cliff Muntu came from manado which majority of its people are Catholic. So it does make sense if he wasn’t a moslem and if such religion matters led him to death, it was indeed pretty sad.

    Have you watched 300? I think same things happened at IPDN as well (they are trained to kill others and feel no regret about it), the only different is the output of that school ain’t spartan, weakling corruptor indeed. 😡

    This is madness.

    This is IPDN!

  15. avatar Mohammed Khafi says:

    HNS said:

    Both police and IPDN’s students are educated with high violence level at their school. no one know why, but the tradition of violence occurs both at the campus or outside campus.

    After graduate, they keep tradition of violence. Another example, a police in central java, shot his chief to death (before he killed himself) last month, the motive has not revealed yet.

    So, it’s not the matter of raising the national flag way up wrong, but it’s about the mental of doing violence, and this tradition, surprisingly, people keep that so.

    About Sadism. The “patriarchal” style of raising children – with its emphasis on teaching discipline, respect, obedience and “moral fibre”, and on suppressing natural, pleasurable bodily sensations – although present in all social classes, has, historically, been most pronounced in the ruling classes.

    Sadism and cruelty have also been observed to be characteristic of many ruling class practices and traditions (something which has often been portrayed in popular culture – eg the rich landlord beating insolent peasants etc.)

    Sadism is, of course, generally acknowledged to stem from over-repressive – especially sexually repressive – child-rearing practices.

    Peace

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