10 Comments on “Dialogue with Baasyir”

1. Andrew Says:
   October 5th, 2006 at 9:48 pm

   I think it’s wrong – they shouldn’t have met with him.
   The meeting could have sent the wrong message, leading the the dude to believe that he’s important.

   Whether or not his involvement in Bali bombing has been proven, his statements towards other faiths are never friendly. I think it is best that he is ignored.

2. Tomaculum Says:
   October 12th, 2006 at 2:36 am

   Inter-faith dialogue: the loudests say something and the other say yes.
   Better call it inter-faith charade.
   BTW: who are Schumann and co? Cockalorums and bonhommes who mean to do something beautiful for the inter-faith understanding without knowing the real problems and local conditions/facts.
   So they fabricate one more plattform for such bloodcurding yeller.
   But it is true: the Christians in Indonesia are too inactive in their role in creating peace there.
   At the other side closing Churchs and other states of worship is actually a very active contribution to create the inter-faith peace and understanding.

   In the past the Islam community in almost every region in Indonesia stood in relative peacefull way side by side with the other faiths. Until such peoples like Baa’syir appears.
   Off course there were always mistrust and resentiments. But it was almost everytime caused by social injustice, by the inequitable allocation of the richness and of the prospects of education. The religious matter was always the expression of the religious dispersion among the social groupings.
   Nowaday the religious arguments take over almost the top of the importance.
   Religious rules are being more and more spreaded over the community and daily life, apparently “aimless”.
   The target?

   And those bonhommes from the west are glad they could learn something from that meeting. Ironically or naivety?

3. Bradlymail Says:
   October 14th, 2006 at 9:08 am

   it is very useful to have inter-faith dialogue in Indonesia.

4. Tomaculum Says:
   October 14th, 2006 at 1:11 pm

   Hi, Bradymail:
   I agree with you: off course an inter-faith dialogue is necessary for Indonesia’s future (and maybe for the world/human being too). But it has to be a fair discussion.
   In a dialogue every participant should have the change to perform their positions and arguments without any fear of aftereffects.
   If someone with fixed and very narrow view, like Ba’asyir, articulate such things (see above) without any ability to recognise his own problems (without ability to self-criticism) and the other side just say:” Oh, yes, master, thanks for learning from you.” , I think that isn’t dialogue.
   Don’t misunderstand me, I don’t critisize the Islam, but such people like Ba’asyir (and Schumann off course).
   I know many Muslims/Muslima and Christians or Hindus or members of other faiths with competency to dialogue. Ba’asyir doesn’t belong to them. Schumann? I don’t know.

5. Bradlymail Says:
   October 14th, 2006 at 4:19 pm

   Tomaculum yeah it’s very hard to create peace in Indonesia while the wolves are still around. Well let’s see…but don’t give up hope!

6. Tomaculum Says:
   October 15th, 2006 at 7:32 pm

   It is hard, but not hopeless.

7. Moh. Atta Says:
   December 4th, 2006 at 9:38 pm

   yup, the Christian in Indonesia is not active in creating peace..

   i think “peace” in the understanding of Baasyir is Islam state.. that’s why there is always a clash.. If u see all the clashes in Indonesia, it’s all about Islam vs Infidel..

   it’s hard to have a “dialogue” with Baasyir, especially in Indonesia.. let him be taken to Guantanamo and let’s have dialogue with him..

8. Achmed Says:
   January 28th, 2009 at 4:16 pm

   They should stick a piece of dynamite in his ass, say “akbar bakar” and light it up.
   The bright side? He will have 40 virgins waiting for him in Paradise. Hahaha…

9. Aluang Anak Bayang Says:
   January 28th, 2009 at 10:05 pm

   @ Pak Achmed,

   Why you hate Bassyir?

10. diego Says:
    January 29th, 2009 at 12:05 am

    ABB: Abu Boker Beser

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