Expats

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  1. avatar dewaratugedeanom says:
    January 27th, 2008 at 8:51 pm

    Money, money, money
    Is so funny
    In a rich man’s world
    “¦

    (song by Abba)

  2. avatar Charmaine says:
    January 28th, 2008 at 12:05 am

    Yeah well, I was happily married for 27yrs, and my husband went to indonesia to work and ended up with a woman a couple of years older than our daughter, he left behind 2 beautiful children and 2 adorable grandchildren…all she wants is his money. I am australian and I haven’t been overseas either. We were always to busy building businesses here to travel, she comes along destroys a loving family and starts taking his money (our money), and gets to come to australia, he turns moslem and marries her whilst still being married to me, go figure.

    Gold digging hussies, she worked in a nightclub, so definitely isn’t a wealthy woman, but she certainly is now, as he has spent big money on her, get this, after being together for 30 yrs and married for 27 he builds her a two storey home and I get to live with our 24yr old son, that’s gratitude, I was no different to the women over there, I worshipped him, and did everything, the only difference is I have my self respect and have worked for my money, and not on my back either.

    These women are family wreckers and don’t care what damage they do to loving families, yes, the temptation they put out out is so great.

    But, do they really care at all to what and how they destroy families, NO, money is their everything, they don’t care about bule, all they see is money, well, we have poor people in australia “i was one of them” but worked my butt off to get somewhere, and now she gets to take it all, for a bit of kinky sex, home wreckers, that’s all they are…selfish..women…how would they like it if us western women came over there and started breaking up their families.
    Not only did I have to contend with my marriage breakdown but no body gives a thought to what else us wives have to endure eg:::having to go to doctors for endless tests for sexual diseases, yes, I got that surprise as well, ended up having a hysterectomy because of these women.

    Thanks a lot.

  3. avatar dewaratugedeanom says:
    January 30th, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    @Charmaine
    If it may comfort you, it’s only the idiots who cough up the dough for Indon golddiggers. If one can’t see through the sinetron acts they put on display, one hasn’t the right to call himself a male.
    There’s an example in my immediate neighbourhood. At night she sets herself up in a bright spot at the local pizzeria, dressed in a see-through-but-not-too outfit at a table with a laptop in front of her to impress unsuspecting yuppie-style bule customers. This pizzeria is only 2 minutes away from her room where she could work at ease. During the day she is a teacher, at night she plays the successful career-woman Indonesian soaps are full of. But still I see morons taking her act seriously and lured into subsidizing the rent for her apartment. One day a sugar-daddy will come along who lets her suck him dry to the bone (no pun intended). Meanwhile she shops till she drops.

  4. avatar Farah says:
    February 18th, 2008 at 9:24 pm

    I could say i agree and disagree with Parvita.
    Not all woman in Indonesia are only see the good looks or money at expats or bule. It just depend on what you’re looking in a relationship. Some woman that i know married with bule, really do love their husband.
    So i guess its just her opinion that said bule is just for fun only.
    There’s plenty of bule that respect woman, not only made “friend” with Indonesian woman just for lust matters only. They do respect opinion, and wife is a partner, means they listen to their wife or gf suggestion (although theres plenty books said men never listen, in general) and do take them as partner in life.
    And for bule whos come here is just the last boxes on the shelves, i don’t think so either…
    Most of them, yeah… just avarage. But still you should admit they were bule. They’re human, but we’re also human.. difference sometimes could made something that commonly un attractive because something that quite interesting. No matter how simple it is.
    And yes. Some of the bule are snob (i said “some”) because they do (think) they’re so much more than local guys. More cute, more money, more smart, more experiences, etc. What indonesian doesnt have is the opportunities.. better education, better salary, better job, etc. If we do have better education.. i dont think we will need bule as much as we need them now.
    Back again, they were human, some smart, some not so, some handsome, some not so attractive. Its us (read:some indonesian woman) that made mistake by thinking they were some God. Not all indonesian woman, just some.
    How do you want them to treat you is what you will get.
    You want games, they sure will give you hell of good games. You want reall thing… well.. you got to have faith i guess!

  5. avatar Alex Ramses says:
    February 19th, 2008 at 11:15 am

    Are we talking about the same Africa here Avi? Either you’ve never been to africa or you were blind. Because I’m In Africa now. How come a sensible person said that average Indonesians are poorer than africans? If you mean THE south africans, it could be true, but hey africa is a continent. Sierra leone, ghana, comoro, ivory coast, madagascar, cameroon and many other poor african countries, heard about those countries before? The quality of life in Indonesia is even better than that of Egypt where I’m currently staying.

    Parvita didn’t say that overpaid bules are the crux of the country’s problems. It was about the ugly side of those westerners expats. And. The best don’t come here cause the country’s not ready? What a crap. They didn’t sent the best to Indonesia because they want to keep em home. No Nation is not ready for the best. If they are sincere about helping developing countries with “technology and knowledge transfer” they would send the good ones. By the way, why you sound offended by what parvita wrote?

  6. avatar Bryan Jones says:
    February 23rd, 2008 at 11:00 am

    I take offence being so generally labeled as a looser because i moved to Indonesia. I am a successful business person in Europe with intentions to expand here in Indonesia. I have a great Indonesian partner and friends from many different countries, many of whom have made a great life for themselves. This type of negativity from expats only labels themselves as loosers, it makes no difference what country they live in.

  7. avatar mbakyu says:
    February 25th, 2008 at 2:34 am

    Have you people ever heard of a field of cultural studies called post colonial studies? My..my..my… I am regretting that I came too late to get involved in this discussion. Lots of interesting and very emotional comments. I guess this is what happens when a discussion strikes a very personal chord. Hmm..
    All I want to say is that, all these stereotypes about bules and Indonesian girls are rooted in colonial times. When greedy Westerners thought that they can just set sail and claim whatever piece of land their anchor hits to be theirs for the taking.

  8. avatar Aluang Anak Bayang says:
    February 25th, 2008 at 12:36 pm

    Assalamualaikum mbakyu,

    Many ‘greedy’ Westerners attitude has changed for the better, but there still exist a group of neo-colonial mentality primates from the land downunder.

    Wasalam.

  9. avatar mbakyu says:
    March 1st, 2008 at 1:06 am

    Walaikumsalam Aluang

    I cannot believe this discussion is still going on! Wow! anyway… the greedy Westerners I mentioned was actually referring to the old colonials. When we are talking about today though, pretty much the same thing happens. The only difference is that the face of the greedy colonials are not anymore white with blond hair and blue eyes (forgive me for generalizing… I really don’t know what the Dutch looked like when they first came to indonesia), the faces of these new colonials can be seen in the many malls of Jakarta in the form of McDonald’s, Burger KIng, Krispy Kreme, Starbucks, Gap, Nike, Adidas, et cetera, et cetera. Not to mention companies like Freeport McMoran, etc. these multinational corporations are taking over the country. And not only Indonesia, they are taking over the world. Even though I will probably work for one of them later on and be a corporate slave myself to be able to earn a decent living, which I will probably spend to make works criticizing them. Hmm.. How ironic.

  10. avatar Odinius says:
    March 1st, 2008 at 1:45 am

    As a foreigner in Indonesia, I kind of got disgusted with a lot of the other bules. Not all, but a certain segment of the expat community.

    I mean, there are really three types of expats living in Indonesia: those who go there because they find the country and its cultures fascinating, those who go there because there is an economic opportunity and those who go there to act like the “big boss man” they can’t be at home. I consider myself in the first group and have no problem with people in the second group.

    The third, though…these are the ones who swagger around with an ayam on their arm, cheat on their wives and act as if Indonesia is still a colonial possession and they are the lords of the plantation. They give every one of us who treats the country and its people with respect a bad name.

  11. avatar parvita says:
    March 6th, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    Oh boy, this discussion is still on going….whopping 13 pages!

  12. avatar ecky says:
    March 6th, 2008 at 6:32 pm

    Thanks to your post Parvita ;)

  13. avatar mark says:
    March 26th, 2008 at 2:10 pm

    Can you tell me what is so bad about sex? I do notice that your bookshelves in Indonesia don’t have any/many books on sexual health and sexual technique! And certainly none on more daring sexual technique!!! In the west people enjoy food, sex and life in general without the religious crazies who seem to dominate the lives of many Indonesians. I have noticed that some of your university students are selling their bodies for money so they can get through univesity though. Is that to do with the bule? No, I don’t believe so. It seems that mostly Indonesian men buy the goods.

    It’s really funny that westerners are seen as sexual crazies! Because people do it and don’t just think about it that isn’t wrong. Remember the bible said god made us in his (sic) own image. So, he/she probably likes a bit of sex too in some way. You Muslims can’t carry on cutting off a woman’s clitoris just because you don’t want her to enjoy sex. Indonesians say westerners are arrogant but we are not so arrogant to tell women that they can’t enjoy sex by cutting off their clitoris! Only the man gets the pleasure huh. I don’t see you equal opertunity men out on the streets demonstrating for your sisters rights to have an orgasm. Oh i forgot only men can have them. Your lucky some of the women you mutilate don’t cut your b*lls off and then who knows? So please don’t talk about your backward attitudes in your country and compare with the west ok.

    Love the sunshine, food, sea, volcanoes etc. Don’t love the conversation with most indonesian women who even if educated often can buy their education if they fail the exams. Great way to make education seem worthless. Great way to keep you down. The people that value education send their children to western university. And the way they do it. They send their children to learn english. You can’t pay a western university if you fail your entrance exam. You pass or fail. Not like Indonesia. So please don’t talk about Indonesian standards. Don’t make me laugh.

    I don’t ( mostly ) enjoy the company of Indonesian women. They are trained by Indonesian families to be docile and look for a man so they can have children and a family. I find them boring to be honest and mostly enjoy the conversation of western women. They often have more to say about the world and themselves. Much more honest in general too. So no not really here for the women though I do like sex.

    But in the west you don’t have to belong to any 5 religions so we are not in your unenviable position of our minds being in the hands of religious bigotry ( if you want to see that at work in the west and what harm it can do – see northern island/uk/ira/uvf/etc ). Western people pride themselves on wanting to be able to think for themselves. Men and women. The west and indonesia is so different.

  14. avatar Farah says:
    March 27th, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    Love the sunshine, food, sea, volcanoes etc. Don’t love the conversation with most indonesian women who even if educated often can buy their education if they fail the exams. Great way to make education seem worthless. Great way to keep you down. The people that value education send their children to western university. And the way they do it. They send their children to learn english. You can’t pay a western university if you fail your entrance exam. You pass or fail. Not like Indonesia. So please don’t talk about Indonesian standards. Don’t make me laugh.
    I don’t ( mostly ) enjoy the company of Indonesian women. They are trained by Indonesian families to be docile and look for a man so they can have children and a family. I find them boring to be honest and mostly enjoy the conversation of western women. They often have more to say about the world and themselves. Much more honest in general too. So no not really here for the women though I do like sex.

    Hey.. not all indonesian are able to send their bright children went to western university. There’s less opportunity to do that !
    And there’s plenty of girls on the top of their class. Not have to sell their body to anyone ! and not all could pay lecturer or teacher for better grade or marks !
    Some of us fight by our self, to get what we deserve !
    I learn english because i like it, and i could do french too. Not because i had a crush with a bule. And i got the highest score ever in my province at highschool final exam ! and i did that my self, my dad passed away so he can’t pay anyone for it ! and i dont have to sleep with anyone for that either !

    You’re very shallow mister !
    And i don’t like talking with you either if i met you.. you only had one single point of view about something…. you can’t judge something from that. What you said is mostly wrong !
    Yes there’s some girls did that.. but not all…

  15. avatar Rob says:
    March 27th, 2008 at 9:32 pm

    Here’s seeing if we can get it to 14 pages or more.

    The original post by Parvita is an interesting one because the topics and subject matter that eventually permeate the discussion that follows move so far away from the original that it is funny in that perverse kind of a way that makes you wanna slow down as you drive past the scene of an accident.

    Parvita made a point that expats are just for fun and not to be taken seriously. However, the postings morphed into the expats are here for fun, and in particular sex, and that they do not take anything seriously, Indonesian or other serious sounding expats, because they are English language teachers…Seems we got of teh original train and changed lines.

    The arguments about numbers and percentages could be easliy resolved if someone was pro-active enough to get the base numbers from immigration. They might hand them out with a formal request. I don’t think that if I went to the head office of immigration and requested the data to resolve a blog argument that immigration would be so forthcoming, but I might just try.

    Most bloggers gave Fred Foggle way too much credence with the proof thing. If English teachers make up so large a percentage of the expat popultion and he cites 2 or 3 examples of pedophile activity here and in other parts of Asia and that an NGO has said that English Language teaching is prone to this activity, I fail how this “tars” all English teachers with the same brush. As one blogger pointed out. If there are 25K expats living in Indonesia, and lets assume they are all “bules” and not Japanese or Korean or something else then 2 or 3 examples hardly fits a ‘majority’ tag.

    As a matter of interest is Fred Floggle your real name? If it is not why don’t you tell us who you really are? Afterall you are encouraging Achmad to reveal his true identity as you do not suspect that he is Indonesian. What is good for the goose must be equally good for the gander.

    Achmad might think his the king of insults but he still has a long way to go. The perfect retort to a suspect name is always, “look if I had a name like that I would change it by Deed Poll to Richard Head and encourage my friends to call me Dick!” Yet, I certainly do not write off whole swathes of people because of a bad seed or even a few bad seeds.

    Anectdotal evidence…perhaps if we re-read Parvita’s post we will see that she refers to expats in general being way overpaid and not necessarily the best person for the job. There are undoubtedly examples of that but unfortunately for Fred if we re-engineer his logic and place it over the orginal post then it is him to which Parvita refers and not so piss poor unqualified back packer trading on their bule-ness to make a few Rupiah, drink a few bintangs, and shag some local chicks. Nah, bugger me but these people are on holidays they hang around for 12 months or so make ends meet by trading on the fact that they are native speakers or played tennis in college, so what! There are bigger fish to fry in this sad little world than a few transient tourists.

    Is it easy to get ESOL, TESOL and a whole range of other “teaching” qualifications? Probably, but then the burden lies on the English language companies to demand more highly qualified staff. Is a forged certificate always possible, yeah! But so is a mis-diagnosis by a highly qualified surgeon, it happens! Or as Forrest Gump once said “sh*t happens”. But to label a minority reflective of the majority is intellectually dishonest and a distortion of the truth. I cannot teach English here generally because I do not have a teaching qualification. What I do have is a double major in English and linguistics as part of a BA and a law degree (this makes up the most part of my CV if anyone has a job for me). But that is the way things go and as my uncle Ned used to say before he was hanged “such is life”!

    The point made by Jakartass is an interesting one. This post has now been doing the rounds for a long while. A similar theme has emerged on other threads and was once again a lengthy argument on Unspun’s blog (personally I just think he gets bored and to liven things up posts something that is likely to spin out of control as people have such divergent views on this topic and I think deep down he enjoys it — his on sabbatical at the moment so maybe when he gets back he can reveal his motivations — or not!). It is a long way from Ramadhan and we’re getting to the end of the rainy season…I wonder what motivated the last outbreak?

    I personally take offence to stereotypes and avoid using them like I would avoid the plague and other really infectious diseases. To bury your head in the sand and pretend that these stereotypes do not exist just means that you got your arse hanging out there in the breeze and you cannot see what’s coming! Good luck with that one!

    Fred you come across as bitter and twisted about the whole expat experience and seem to characterize your own expat experience through the actions and eyes of English language teachers. I do not know you and cannot judge your motivations. The term bule predates English language teachers and it is racist in origin although it is not generally used by the Indonesia population as such, it is worth remembering whatever the arguments for and against the modern interpretation the word was origially a racist one and people can be fairly offended at its use. It is a characterization based on skin color. Bit many of us bules have coopted the term, perhaps to our own detriment, and refer to ourselves in this way, whether it be in answering the question: “bule mana?” and answering “bule Depok or Jawa or gila or goblok or anything else that might come to mind including your truthful country of origin!”

    If you are a CEO of a company or some-high ranking manager then I think Parvita’s ultimate point was if you’re not fit for the purpose then you’re not fit for the purpose and being a bule should not get you a gold pass to sit on your arse and soak up the dollars.

    I must say I disagree with her on a number of other points. I know lawyers and bankers and accountants and fund managers that are here for reasons other than to live like kings (or queens — take that however you want) who are independently filthy flippin’ rich in their own countries and come here for the opportunities to become stinking filthy rich because with some 220+ million people it is a big market for certain businesses, including English language franchises and therefore teachers.

    The argument has died down at least on this site but it has re-ignited on others. Hopefully, my comments and direct critiques of Fred Floggle will smoke him (or her if Fred is a woman pretending to be a man) out and back into action (Although I suspect looking at the construction of Fred’s arguments he has morphed into another IM regular aka Ross).

    Cheers to all. I hope I have not offended anyone and everyone.

  16. avatar mbakyu says:
    March 29th, 2008 at 10:11 am

    Mark,
    your post just goes to show that this is the stuff that colonial mentality is made of. Wherever you go you will think that your race is more superior than others. Well news flash, my dear friend, there are also universities in the ‘West’ where you can ‘buy’ your degree or do nothing and still pass (as long as you pay for the tuition that is).. which is, sadly, also true for some Indonesian unis. However there are also many universities in Indonesia that is hard to graduate from, no matter how much money you spend on it.
    Regarding your remarks about the women: there are also ‘western’ women who have trouble conversing further than like.. you know.. and innit..
    And you say that:
    “Western people pride themselves on wanting to be able to think for themselves. Men and women.”
    What do you call the craze for Kaballah, scientology? What about all th epsychic hotline that is so popular? Again the problem here is generalizing. You cannot reduce human beings into narrow categories based on certain characteristics that some people might have. It is the root of racism and discrimination.
    You would be a good addition to Hitler’s men.

  17. avatar mark says:
    March 30th, 2008 at 4:10 am

    mbakyu

    Hi matey?

    You can buy a degree in Bangkok but the corruption in Indonesia is endemic right? In general british university lecturers do the most on the unpaid overtime, what with marking essays etc. 15 hours a week on average. You don’t in general get to pay lecturers to pass your exams or get a better mark in Europe no mater what you might have to say. So don’t be an ass. The civil service is full of corruption in Indonesia so save the diatribe about it’s difficult etc for someone who has just got off the plane!

    Racism and discrimination. What like Indonesians calling western people ” white skin ” whenever they have inclination. I don’t believe when your in Europe you get many people shouting hey brown skin at Indonesians there? Or of course you know different?

    The craze for the Kabbalah and scientology. What you would “lump” those two together would you? I thought that you said that you can’t reduce human beings into narow catergories. Well your narrow categories are well out of order. The Kabbalah is something that has been around a very long time matey. The Kabbalah helps you think for yourself. It’s a structure that is rather tasty. But it’s a bit too close to judaism perhaps for you? Hitlers man. Where L. Ron Hubbards stuff is just off the boat and stinks in many ways.

    You would be a good addition to Hitler’s men you said. Hitler has been dead for some years now or have you not heard? Wow, you want to get out of Indonesia more often.

    The idea that women are a 2nd class citizens in general in Indonesia is quite apparent. Even to a woman that says innit. Patronising …! Also, Indonesian women don’t have the titles on the book shelves to look at to find out about sex. Or is that why you like them. You must appear great eh? But of course if you intend to try and stunt the growth of societies as muslims try to stunt the growth of the clitoris then i am sure i and others won’t be able to stop you.

  18. avatar Farah says:
    April 1st, 2008 at 8:09 am

    The idea that women are a 2nd class citizens in general in Indonesia is quite apparent. Even to a woman that says innit. Patronising “¦! Also, Indonesian women don’t have the titles on the book shelves to look at to find out about sex. Or is that why you like them. You must appear great eh? But of course if you intend to try and stunt the growth of societies as muslims try to stunt the growth of the clitoris then i am sure i and others won’t be able to stop you.

    Full of anger. Mark have you ever really see how they chopped OUR clitoris here ?? have you ever had sex with indonesian woman before, and you see OMG she had no clit ?? as a guy that proclaim love sex i am afraid you don’t know where clitoris is.
    I am a moslem, and no, mine still there and so the rest of woman in my family and girls that i know for the rest of my live sice i was young until i work that i’ve been asks (i’m quite bold) and all Indonesian that live in Sumatra (Medan, west sumatra, Aceh, Jambi, sounth sumatra, Lampung), and Java (Jogjakarta) were proudly say were moslem.
    You made it sound so scary and bad aren’t you ??
    When they say circumcise woman in here, but not chopped the clit, do you think our parent that crazy ? where do you get those idea? because in Africa and egypt and some middle east did that means we did ? and because we don’t then were not good moslem?? we did circumcise, and its not cutting the whole clit or hurt it. I saw my mom did that to youngest baby sister, not even hurt the clit !
    I don’t know if anyone in here have a daughter, and he/she cut their baby girl clitoris. But as far as i know, once again.. none of my friends or sisters or family had no clitoris.

    You’re more twisted than i thought Mark.
    Poor guy……

  19. avatar areocam says:
    April 5th, 2008 at 1:17 am

    I’ve read bits and pieces of this thread and I must say my eyes glazed over at one point and I had to go play Counter-Strike for a while to shake it off.

    I have no ripostes or specific responses to anyone, instead I’ll just write a sort of “here I am” for you. I suppose I’m following the thread title.

    I’m an ESL teacher, not exactly an English Teacher in the high school sense but an “English as a Second Language Teacher”. We have different qualifications. Yes, it took four weeks, only four weeks. 120 hours is about a semester’s work, right? Four weeks or not, what does it matter? I have a qualification designed and administered by Cambridge University and accepted and insisted upon by my employer. So what’s the problem? If the industry has demanded this qualification, then how should a person, with whatever motivation drives them, proceed, pray tell? In attempt to do my job in a more professional capacity, I intend to undertake the DELTA. This is 60 credit points of a Master’s degree. Halfway to a full one. Is that enough? Should we all take a PhD before we teach this language? If it were demanded, I would certainly do it. It’s not. I have what I need to do my job. More education is a must and as I have said, it’s on the way. Enough said.

    Moving on to other matters, I came here of my own volition, searching for a change of lifestyle. I was tired of my life in Australia (working in IT support…not exactly flipping burgers, kan?) and longed to experience another culture. So here I am. I live with my Indonesian partner (we were unofficially married in Australia…gay marriage is still not legal there…so much for progressive government), I don’t ever drink beer (horrible stuff…mine’s a social Martini, very dry darling), I don’t frequent Jaksa, Blok M, or any other dives like those. We live in domestic harmony in this wonderful place and I choose this. Do you understand that? I came here not because I was posted by my employer but because I CHOSE to! I neither live like a king, nor lord it over those less fortunate than myself. Did my white skin help achieve this? No. My boss is British and has brown skin, several of my colleagues are also of this hue and speak English as well or better than I do and posses the same qualifications as I do. So not my skin colour then. Perhaps the Indonesian government’s insistence that potential ESL teachers must be from the USA, Canada, New Zealand, the UK, and Australia helped me gain employment here. So? Big frakken deal.

    Anyway, just thought I’d muddy the already turbid and indeed, turgid waters with a post as pointless as any other.

    I look forward to some dialogue.

  20. avatar Dirk Diggler says:
    April 5th, 2008 at 9:05 am

    It is funny now asians want to be more like caucasians coloring their hair making mixed kids to star on tv or becoming a miss world for their countries.

    In the past asians don’t like caucasians because we colonize their countries and robbing asian’s resources.

    But now many asians want to marry caucasians and want to make white skinned babies, an asian even so proud to tell people that they have caucasian relatives because of many marriages, asians are selling out everywhere I see I can get 100 asian girls no problem.

  21. avatar areocam says:
    April 5th, 2008 at 7:04 pm

    Dirk

    The grass is always greener, eh? What I wouldn’t give to have brown skin! If my partner had a womb (he doesn’t) we could have brown babies!

    There is always lust for the exotic. Many Caucasians long for Asians because they’re seen to be exotic and many Asians feel the same way about Caucasians. Is this a problem? It’s great. The more contact there is between cultures, the more chances there are to develop and foster tolerance and understanding. That’s why I’m here. I couldn’t possibly learn about the world sitting in an arm chair watching Discovery channel in some dreary suburb in Brisbane, now could I? What better place to learn about your neighbours than in their country? I have had a life long connection to Indonesia and now I’m here to strengthen it. It’s going well and I’ve never been happier. You know what I’ve found? There’s no exotic because we’re more alike than people care to acknowledge. I’m happy to know that. It gives me armour when I encounter racism.

    Anyway Dirk, your comment has some truth to it but perhaps it was a little inflammatory. I hope you don’t think me rude. Apologies if so.

    :o)

  22. avatar Aluang Anak Bayang says:
    April 5th, 2008 at 9:45 pm

    @ Dirk

    It is funny now asians want to be more like caucasians coloring their hair making mixed kids to star on tv or becoming a miss world for their countries.

    So when they colour their hair green, they want to be a frog? What logic! It is more to do with fad, brother.

    But now many asians want to marry caucasians and want to make white skinned babies, an asian even so proud to tell people that they have caucasian relatives because of many marriages, asians are selling out everywhere I see I can get 100 asian girls no problem.

    Another stupid logic!

    In my wild years in Oz Land, Europe and North America (pheww .. those were the days) I had too many Blondies, Brunette and Red Heads wanting to shag me that I actually had my family maid flew over to brew me Korean ginseng and tonic drinks to keep me going. Me and my brothers shagged as many foreign chicks as we possibly could. But I certainly do not see them wanting to have Brown babies or selling themselves out, just that we are exotic because of our skin and wanna test drive us.

  23. avatar Farah says:
    April 6th, 2008 at 7:09 am

    @ Dirk
    Oh Mr Good looking and Mr center of the world, who do you think you are ??
    Your self confident level is too high and its reaching disgusting level already now. You could made it sound like you proud of getting 100 girls, but i see it this way “eughhhh… stay away from me, you might caught something from those girls”
    Because you Caucasians i had to bow on your knee ask you and beg you to marry me ?? hehe.. with that attitude you got no respect from me, you’re an easy guy then….what i see is, 100 different Asian girls could got you, means you are very easy to get kin of guy. And easy not so cool.
    Maybe you had those exotic look that we don’t have ( yes we see the way you see us, areocam and aluang made his point there), but that doesn’t made you a God and could sleep with any Indonesia girl that you want.
    Maybe easy girl could fall for you, but real nice and good girl ?? i don’t think so Mr Cassanova.
    And we change our hair colors doesn’t mean we want to look like one of you, ever heard creativity and boredom ?? human tends want to look different sometimes, especially in special occasion.
    I see lots of caucasians change their hair color to black, cause some of them also consider it sexy and mysterious, and they do think it will made them look thinner, not because they want to be asian (Madonna did once, Victoria Beckham several time, Katie Holmes, need another example ??? i’ll dig it for you if you CAN’T)

    Don’t see from only one point of view please. It’s so shallow.

  24. avatar dirk diggler says:
    April 6th, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    I went to asia often and I always get approached by asian girls yellow or brown. I see so many asian girls with white guys who sometimes don’t even look as good, bald, old or have no real job. I also see many fat white girls have asian husband or african men in Bali and tokyo. Why ?

    This tells me that many asians love caucasian look and because many asians want to get out of asia
    asia is too corrupt and policemen don’t do their job.
    When in Indonesia many mixed kids are becoming tv stars even without acting training
    this also proves that caucasian look is now what asians wish to look like. Even moslems in Indonesia now have English christian names.

    I don’t say it is wrong and I don’t care about your personal sex life.
    I am just saying the general truth based on real facts.
    We even have wives saying their husbands are stolen by asian women in here.

  25. avatar areocam says:
    April 6th, 2008 at 9:55 pm

    Well then Dirk, I have to thank you for your insightful and fully researched comments.

    In addition, consider me fully chastened about mentioning my personal life.

    Heavens above, people of different races and or cultures getting together. What will be next? Tolerance? Understanding? A world without war?

    I wanted to say so much in response but I just don’t care to. Except for this one thing: I am just saying the general truth based on real facts.

    This statement is an oxymoron.

    That is all.

  26. avatar Farah says:
    April 7th, 2008 at 7:33 am

    Approached not means she is interested to drag you to bed. Not all girls. I know friends that like caucasians, but not to drag him to bed, just to know him.
    You’re talking like you don’t know woman. I prefer someone not so good looking. Some woman prefer bald, some other prefer big nose, some prefer blue eyes. So what ??? if you see asian woman with bald and un-employee caucasian, and you made such stereotype for all asian woman ????

    This tells me that many asians love caucasian look and because many asians want to get out of asia
    asia is too corrupt and policemen don’t do their job.

    What are you talking about ?????
    So if caucasian woman had asian men.. thens that means they just don’t like they country because its too corrupt there ?? hows if i say that ??
    If caucasian woman married asian guys means they don’t like caucasian man, and they will take the darkest guy, the shortest, with six pack and sexy cute butt but penny less because of that ??
    Could i say the same about woman from your country like that ???

    We even have wives saying their husbands are stolen by asian women in here.

    Blame the other woman ….of course… its the easiest part.
    She wear short skirt, she flirt, she seduce me, she use black magic… i just find out how weak guys where you come from. No strong wills.

    If they really love their family, and their wife, even if Jessica Simpson do striptease in front of him, he will say no, and left her.

    It takes two to do it.

    Those guys who left their wife and children are jerk, that simple. Not because the wife is just look old, or can’t cook. Or because the other woman so damn sexy or hot. He is a jerk, and not thankful with what he already had.

    You might really drunk and can’t think clearly when you made this comment, and if you do, i already forgive you :) yes were that nice thats why you like us, Indonesian woman, sweet nice and irresistible creature…. hehehehe

  27. avatar areocam says:
    April 7th, 2008 at 8:24 am

    Thanks Farah, that was all I wanted to say and more.

  28. avatar Farah says:
    April 7th, 2008 at 9:01 am

    @ areocam
    You’re truly very welcome ;)

  29. avatar Bob says:
    April 7th, 2008 at 9:26 am

    Is a woman, born about 1970 from Java always circumcised?
    Greetings
    Bob

  30. avatar Farah says:
    April 7th, 2008 at 9:54 am

    @ Bob
    I think 80 % Indonesia moslem woman are circumcised. But not as horrible as described as cutting the whole clit like in egypt or in middle east.
    I don’t think any Indonesian parent do that, except if they do really hate their daughters.
    No worries Bob. You wont see a horror movie.. the chance you’ll see a freak show of Indonesia woman without clit is slightly low.

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