Funeral Rites & Etiquette

Oct 1st, 2009, in IM Posts, Opinion, by Ross

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18 Comments on “Funeral Rites & Etiquette”

David Says:
October 1st, 2009 at 1:33 pm
It’s interesting that it’s Solo, which has the reputation of being the hardline mecca on Java, random aside but why is Solo so full of Islamic “forums” and these hardline groups, does it have something to do with the place being somewhat starved of government funding after independence because the Solo kraton was pro-Dutch?
donny Says:
October 1st, 2009 at 1:43 pm
it’s only a corpse … no need to overreact

in my opinion, it can be used to track other terrorists : simply check whoever comes to their funeral (you can see extremist in a glance, so it won’t be a problem) and voila … you got complete list of suspects … especially those who scream loudest

anyhow, regardless any sins they commit … they’re already died … and they’re still human being, deserved a proper burial …
Ross Says:
October 1st, 2009 at 2:06 pm
donny…yes, you can see the exhibitionist fanatics at a glance, funny hats, goaties, Afghan rompi jackets (like mine!) but clever terrs don’t stand out.
As for their status as human beings…yes, bury them, but without honour!
Much as Goering was buried, or maybe Causescu -what did happen to him?
donny Says:
October 1st, 2009 at 3:02 pm
@ Ross

at least they still have purpose in death – to provide clues to other extremist =D

I myself tends to think them as human being – imperfect, thus make mistakes – sadly their mistakes is terrorism

everyone make stupid mistakes sometimes – including me – it’s better to forgive rather than keep the hatred deep down inside

I’m not going to give honour to them, nor many of indonesian people, but we cannot stop their family & their fans to provide burial with honour

that’s why I say “proper” burial …
Achmad Sudarsono Says:
October 1st, 2009 at 4:42 pm
SeksiThe Mr. Patoengs Yth.,

Maybe it’s the big Arab population there, not the colonial history. For some reason, I’ve heard, Solo attracted alot of A-rabs. Or maybe its the Ngruki pesantren.

As a humble Ukulele player, I’m just guessing.
diego Says:
October 2nd, 2009 at 1:04 am
it’s only a corpse … no need to overreact

in my opinion, it can be used to track other terrorists : simply check whoever comes to their funeral (you can see extremist in a glance, so it won’t be a problem) and voila … you got complete list of suspects … especially those who scream loudest

Great idea. So why haven’t the authorities put that fatty-dragie Dorce Gamalama behind the bar? (S)he attended the burial of those cockroaches (imam samudra et. al.).
donnyboy Says:
October 2nd, 2009 at 11:32 am
@Ross

Bury the corpse in Bantar Gebang garbage dump? and you call yourself civilized?You are not better than the terrorists, then.What can a dead body do to you? You don’t watch too many of those zombie movies, do you?
rayner Says:
October 2nd, 2009 at 12:06 pm
I am wondering about the mass graves in Bali? What about disinterring and giving a proper burial? Might help the spirits to rest.
Ross Says:
October 2nd, 2009 at 2:04 pm
Donnyboy, I knew some sensitive soul would soon cry out in shock that we don’t all treat these scum as ‘poor misguided human beings.’
Thanks for taking on the role!
I honestly don’t care what they do with these bodies. Quite content that they’re dead.
ET Says:
October 2nd, 2009 at 10:50 pm
Bury the corpse in Bantar Gebang garbage dump?

I also object. What is wrong with that garbage dump to deserve such a shitty treatment?
Ross Says:
October 3rd, 2009 at 9:50 pm
Yeah, you’re quite right, ET!
I see Pedophile Puji went on trial…anybody got an update? I predicted he’d not see the inside of a cell for long, but would be ecstatic to be proven wrong!
djaka Says:
October 4th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
@Patung:

I do not think so. It is, I think, related more to the lefties, who once very strong in Solo (and Madiun) since early 20th century until 1967. No one conducts any research who are exactly these Solo ‘islamists’, but I bet that they are relatives of many (ex-)communists or ex-alleged-communists.

Even before Mataram surrendered to VOC, Solo (still centered in nearby Kartasura at that time) had always been boiling place. In fact, these what made the Dutch easier to stir the mud.
Oigal Says:
October 5th, 2009 at 10:21 am
and they’re still human being, deserved a proper burial …

I would (and I am sure many others would too) debate that.

everyone make stupid mistakes sometimes

A stupid mistake is riding your motorbike down a one way street the worng way, not slaughtering innocent Indonesians and others a pathetic attempt to appear relevent in a world that has passed them by.
donny Says:
October 5th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Hello Oigal =D

it is hard to forgive … but why are we keeping anger within, whilst it brings us nothing good
say you and many of your friend wants to desecrate their graves, mutilate their corpses beyond recognition for the sake of revenge … will it brings anything good ?
will it pain the deceased anyway ?? they’re dead already … you will only tire yourself and flare more hatred …

anger creates anger … why keeping such negative things inside your heart and pollute it ?

why not directing your effort into more positive ways – and let the dead rest …

I do not know whether you believe in God, but I believe that it is not up to us to judge someone, since none of us is free from mistakes

about stupid mistakes …
say that one of this terrorist is your very dear brother … will you say the same ? or perhaps saying that he’s been misunderstood ? … he’s dead already
and no matter how bad a mistake is, does it prevent him the chance of forgiveness ? or even a burial which fit a human being, at the least ?

let us worry no more about the deceased, stop this argument, and direct our thoughts and effort into more positive ways …

wish you all the best =D
Oigal Says:
October 5th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
You are right about one thing Donny, he is not worth further consideration..
ET Says:
October 6th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
why not directing your effort into more positive ways

Yes, as a positive effort why not stuff them and put them on display, or better, put them in a shooting range as a target for Densus 88 to practice? This way at least they would be of more value dead than alive.

Is there a taxidermist in the audience?
Ross Says:
October 7th, 2009 at 5:22 am
Yeah, there have been occasional dolts on buses selling calendars etc. with Osama’s picture. I often thought of re-cycling them for use with the dartboards some expats delight in.
donny Says:
October 7th, 2009 at 11:55 am
@ET

I have to admit that yours is a great idea … =D
too bad all of them is already buried … and since Indonesian did not know about embalming process … it’s too late to stuff them … =D