Female Circumcision

Aug 31st, 2006, in News, Society, by

The Ulema Council, Majelis Ulama Indonesia (MUI), says female circumcision is necessary for Muslims.

H. Amidhan of the MUI, speaking in Banjarmasin, said that his august organisation had no problems with female circumcision, because it was a duty for Muslims, was safe and did not cause any health problems for those who underwent it.

Circumcision is especially meant to be done for a Muslim, because circumcision not only cleans the filth from the genitals but is a requirement for every Muslim, and it also helps to contribute to a child’s growth.

From the time of Abraham until that of Muhammad circumcision had been done, for both boys and girls, and it had become a part of the culture of the Muslim world, a part that could not be left behind. Those who said that circumcision caused harm had to prove their case, he said. Logic was then applied to justifying the practice, known often as female genital mutilation (FGM) or female genital cutting (FGC).

If there are those who say that circumcision causes damage or hampers reproduction then I think they have made it up. The proof is that there has been significant growth in the population of Indonesia and most Indonesians are Muslims who have been circumcised.

Not done he went on to say that circumcision was beneficial to Muslims, both men and women, because it removed the filth from the genital area. Islam approved of circumcision, for men and women again, provided it was done in the right way.

Because a Muslim must not pray unless he is clean and one way of being clean is to be circumcised.

Amidhan was not the only one of this opinion. Syamsuddin Hasan, from the Majelis Wilayah Korps Alumni Himpunan Mahasiswa Islam (KAHMI) in South Kalimantan agreed that female circumcision must not be forbidden by the authorities.

I fear that the attempt to ban it [female circumcision] is part of the mission of a certain group who deliberately use the health excuse, to the point where Muslim women will not be clean because they haven’t been circumcised, so they can’t pray in the correct way.

He advised Muslims who work in the health field to be on their guard and not co-operate in the effort to stamp out female circumcision.

September 28th. A study in six cities, Padang (West Sumatra), Serang (Banten), Bandung (West Java), Sumenep (Madura, East Java), Makassar (South Sulawesi), and Kutai Kartanegara (East Kalimantan), has shown that 90% of Indonesian women are circumcized.

Doctor Rachmat Sentika of a hospital Child Protection Unit and Dr Zaitunah Subhan of the religious section of the ministry for womens’ empowerment said that they had met with the MUI last week and been informed that the Department of Health must not try to forbid the practice. Sentika said that the MUI did object to the removal of the clitoris but that the “opening” of the clitoris was acceptable and that health professionals should be taught how to do it properly.

January 20th 2008. New York Times article saying 96% of Indonesian girls have undergone some type of circumcision. Here.


235 Comments on “Female Circumcision”

  1. avatar Mohammed Khafi says:

    Hassan,

    Regarding Hadith and FGM, it is Allah who says His Book is complete, perfect and fully detailed and asks why should anybody want anything else? If you don’t believe Allah and His Holy Book and need to take sources other than Allah’s to complete your religion that is your choice.

    In your reply to erica you have answered your reply to me. Shaytan is indeed a most powerful and persuasive enemy of Mankind.

    Peace

  2. avatar Hassan says:

    Mohammed Khafi: no, that was not my answer to you, I was just stating the facts to erica that “the hadith, is Islam’s second source of law, and deemed as the truth my the majority of Muslims worldwide”. something wrong with that statement? was it not the case that most Muslims considers the hadith as Islam’s second source of law??

    and khafi, don’t be evasive. you have not yet answered my statements:

    are you saying that the owner of those names (asmaaul husna) can not prevent his religions (judaism, Christianity, and Islam) from being corrupted?? all of them are corrupted?? Ar-Rasheed can not guide most of his creation to salvation? Al-Mu’min can not prevent the faith most of his followers from corruption? and Al-Haadi can not guide most of his believers to the right path?

  3. avatar Mohammed Khafi says:

    Hassan,

    was it not the case that most Muslims considers the hadith as Islam’s second source of law??

    But should they when Allah Himself says in Al Quran:

    “Do they see nothing in the government of the heavens and the earth and all that Allah hath created? (Do they not see) that it may well be that their terms is nigh drawing to an end? In what message after this will they then believe?” 7:185

    As to the second part of your comment, Allah has already answered your question:

    From Allah:
    MOST people, no matter what you do, will not believe. You are not asking them for any money; you simply deliver this reminder for all the people. So many proofs in the heavens and the earth are given to them, but they pass by them, heedlessly!” 12:103-106

    From Shaytan:
    He said, “Since You have honored him over me, if You respite me till the Day of Resurrection, I will possess ALL HIS DESCENDANTS, EXCEPT A FEW.” 17:62

    From Prophet Mohammed:
    The messenger said, “My Lord, my people have deserted this Quran.” 25:30

    What clearer indications do you need Hassan, that freedom of choice is given to us by Allah, but most people have choosen the easy way out and instead of reading and trying to understand what Allah has given us they would rather follow what somebody else has told them is the correct way. Allah tells us that there is no compulsion in religion, he means that, even he will not compel people to follow his true way, people have freedom of choice to make the right or wrong choices, he doesn’t want people who follow blindly, he wants thinkers and people who make conscious desisions.

    Peace

  4. avatar Hassan says:

    Mohammed Khafi: I had already answered that. the words ‘MOST’, and ‘ALL HIS DESCENDANTS, EXCEPT A FEW’ are subjects of debate when we try to figure out the exact numbers. 5 billion non Muslims can be considered MOST compared to 1,5 billions Muslims. ALL HIS DESCENDANTS, EXCEPT A FEW is also debatable if we count people since adam’s time (before Islam) till the end of days, which ones are Muslims and which ones are not. can you imagine how many humans had lived since adam?

    you, however haven’t exactly answered my question:
    are you saying that the owner of those names (asmaaul husna) can not prevent his religions (judaism, Christianity, and Islam) from being corrupted?? all of them are corrupted?? Ar-Rasheed can not guide most of his creation to salvation? Al-Mu’min can not prevent the faith most of his followers from corruption? and Al-Haadi can not guide most of his believers to the right path?

    simple yes or no, can He or can’t he do those things? and are you saying that shaytan is more powerful than Allah SWT in guiding/misguiding humans??

    my Mohsin Khan translation shows:
    And the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) will say: “O my Lord! Verily, my people deserted this Quran (neither listened to it, nor acted on its laws and orders).
    you see, Muslims did not abandon the Quran in the sense they take the hadith in it’s stead. but by abandoning the teachings of Islam altogether, both the Quran and hadith, as we can see more and more these days.

    “He will not compel people to follow his true way, people have freedom of choice to make the right or wrong choices”. indeed, he will not force us, but he can guide us. answer this one question khafi: what good does it do for Allah SWT to establish a religion for humanity if in the end it will be corrupted? not just one, but three! (if you consider that judaism and Christianity had it’s roots from abraham). Can He guide us or not? or was it shaytan more powerful than He? Naudzubillaahimindzaalik khafi!

    Al Quran 5:3 “…This day, those who disbelieved have given up all hope of your religion, so fear them not, but fear Me. This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion…”

    Allah had chosen Islam for us, He established it, and he will protect the Quran from corruption, but WILL NOT protect Islam from corruption??? what good would the Quran be if the religion that the Quran had explained and revealed will be corrupted? that DOESN’T make sense! why would Allah preserve the book, but not the religion???

    ——-

    Mohammed khafi:
    Al-Quran 2:129 “Our Lord! Send amongst them a Messenger of their own (and indeed Allah answered their invocation by sending Muhammad Peace be upon him ), who shall recite unto them Your Verses and instruct them in the Book (this Quran) and Al-Hikmah (full knowledge of the Islamic laws and jurisprudence or wisdom or Prophethood, etc.), and sanctify them. Verily! You are the All-Mighty, the All-Wise.”

    Al Quran 2:151 “Similarly (to complete My Blessings on you) We have sent among you a Messenger (Muhammad SAW) of your own, reciting to you Our Verses (the Quran) and sanctifying you, and teaching you the Book (the Quran) and the Hikmah (i.e. Sunnah, Islamic laws and Fiqh – jurisprudence), and teaching you that which you used not to know”.

    if ‘the book’ is Al Quran, then what is the ‘Al Hikmah’ if not the sunnah and hadith??

  5. avatar Mohammed Khafi says:

    Hassan,

    I would say that

    ‘MOST’ and ‘ALL HIS DESCENDANTS, EXCEPT A FEW’

    were not really open to debate they are plain and simple statements of fact by Allah.

    I am not saying that Allah cannot guide people, what I am saying is that He chooses not to force people.

    His Religion of Islam which is the only religion he has ever given us is not corrupted it is only the practices of those who say they follow it which are corrupted.

    Your Mohsin Khan translation, is not a simple translation but a translation and interpretation! Mohsin Khan’s interpretation!, just remove everything in brackets and you will see something closer to a true translation!

    I am not saying that Shaytan is more powerful than Allah, what I am saying is that his way seems to appear to be more attractive to the majority of humankind.

    what good would the Quran be if the religion that the Quran had explained and revealed will be corrupted? that DOESN’T make sense!

    Alhamdulillah, at last you are starting to see my point! Your reliance on Sunnah and Hadith to explain everything to you have made Al Quran seem more like a secondary source rather than the primary, you are right that that doesn’t make sense. Just listen to your religious leaders and make a note of how little they quote from Al Quran and how much they say, “The Prophet said this or The Prophet said that”, all from books which Allah says that you don’t need because His Book is complete, perfect and fully detailed!

    Al Hikmah:
    In 3:81, God is telling us that all the Prophets are given the book and Hikmah (Wisdom). All these Prophets did not have the hadiths and sunna of Muhammed.

    In 3:48 God is using the same term He used for Muhammed, telling us that he gave Jesus, the book and Hikmah (wisdom). This was not Muhammed’s hadiths and sunna.

    In 2:251, God is telling us that he gave the Hikmah (Wisdom) to David, it is not Muhammed’s hadiths and sunna.

    In 4:54, God is telling us He gave Abraham’s family the scripture and Hikmah (wisdom). This was not Muhammed’s hadiths and sunna.

    In 5:110, again God is reminding us that he gave Jesus the book and the Hikmah (wisdom). This was not Muhammed’s hadiths and sunna.

    In 16:125, God calls on the believers to use wisdom in inviting people to the path of God. Remember that God told us already that we should remind with the QURAN those who reverence His warnings. It is the Quran full of hikmah (wisdom)

    In 31:12, God is telling us that He gave Luqman the Hikmah (wisdom), this was not Muhammed’s hadiths and sunna.

    In 43:63 Jesus is telling his people that he brought them the Hikmah (wisdom). This was not Muhammed’s hadiths and sunna.

    The Quran is described as the book of hikmah (wisdom) by God Almighty. See 3:58, 10:1, 31:2, 36:3, 43:4, …

    Peace

  6. avatar Tomaculum says:

    Female circumcision. We (male) discuss it passionally, some sisters said something, but the male discutants talk about other things. Sad.
    Some one did ask the women if they are agree with such mutilation?
    I wonder, why the Indonesian women, which I introduce as traditionally very emancipated and liberated (I live in Europe), do not react. Wether negativ nor positiv. Why?

  7. avatar Mohammed Khafi says:

    Tomaculum,

    I would disagree that we were talking about other things, the reason that these women submit their female children to this practice is because they believe it is a commandment from God! The argument I was putting forward was that if it were a commandment from God it would be in Al Quran, very relevant I believe.

    Quite possibly the reason that there are few women on here is because the majority of women in mainstream Islam are subjugated by these same corrupted teachings, despite the fact that they appear emancipated and liberated, in their conscious and subconscious minds they have had years of brainwashing, which still prevents them from reasoning and expressing their thoughts.

    I would be happy to be proven wrong on the above point ladies, where are you?

    Please also don’t forget that the number of women in Indonesia who have access to good education and the ability to communicate their views on the internet are still very limited. Internet penetration in the home is still very low, most users have to access at Warnet, which are like small commercially run web cafes, without the cinnamon buns and coffee!

    Peace

  8. avatar Hassan says:

    Mohammed Khafi: let’s analyze the verse in it’s proper context. in the other verses you mentioned, Allah SWT gave Hikmah (wisdom) to those prophets. but in Al-Quran 2:129 Allah not only gave Muhammad (pbuh) Hikmah (wisdom), but also to teach/transfer that Hikmah to his followers.

    2:129 “Our Lord! Send amongst them a Messenger of their own, who shall recite unto them Your Verses and instruct them in the Book and Al-Hikmah, and sanctify them. Verily! You are the All-Mighty, the All-Wise.”

    suppose you have a wisdom about some knowledge, how can you transfer it to others? if Hikmah is indeed wisdom, then how can Muhammad (pbuh) instruct (teach) that wisdom to his followers if not by words and actions? that wisdom was certainly not spread around by Gabriel, or indeed by itself. if Muhammad (pbuh) had to instruct that wisdom (which were given by Allah) to his followers by words and actions, than are those not the hadith and sunnah??

  9. avatar Josef says:

    Hassan,
    If you can I have a question I was wondering about.

    “(Quran 3-31) Say: “If ye do love Allah, follow me (Muhammad): Allah will love you and forgive your sins: For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.”

    The Quran is Allahs words right?
    So wouldn’t “me” be Allah and not Muhammed? If “me” is Muhammed it would imply that it is Muhammed making a command. I can kind of understand the reason givin for Allah speaking of himself in the third person, becouse the word “say” is put in there, but the “me” (if it refers to Muhammed) makes things kind of hard to reconcile with that logic.

  10. avatar Mohammed Khafi says:

    Hassan my Brother,

    The wisdom that The Prophet spread whilst he was alive was most certainly guided by Allah.

    According to history, 82 or 83 days before the prophet died, the following last verse of the Quran was revealed to him:

    “”¬¶Today, I have completed your religion, perfected My blessings upon you, and have decreed Islam as the religion for you”¬¶.” (5:3)

    On this day, the prophet had with him nothing except complete (6:115), perfect (18:2) and fully detailed (6:114, 7:52, 12:110) Al Quran.

    It is a well documented fact that the earlier caliphs known as “The Rightly Guided Caliphs” did not accord any religious importance to Hadith and Sunnah.

    Do not forget that the Sunnah and Hadith were not formally collected until 250-300 years after The Prophet died, and were not formally adopted until some years after that time as a form of orthodoxy.

    One of the early well known collators of hadiths is Abu Abdullah Muhammad b Ismail b Ibrahim b.al-Mughira al-Jafari, a non Arab from Bukhara, central Asia, who is also known as Bukhari. Historical records show that Bukhari learned Arabic from his mother. When he was sixteen, he went to Arabia, today’s Saudi Arabia.

    He traveled extensively on foot or on a camel, the fastest transport in those days, in search of hadiths. Finally, he is reputed to have collected 600,000 hadiths of which he remembered 200,000 by heart, and 400,000 he wrote down. Later on he learned that out of 40,000 people who were instrumental in the collection of hadith 38,000 were unreliable and forgers. He discarded 592,705 and kept only 7,275.

    Some hadiths of Bukhari are very long while others are very short. Let us say that each hadith needed a minimum of one hour for its collection, which would mean that BukharI needed at least 68 years to collect 600,000 hadiths. It is amazing to know that Bukhari not only collected 600,000 hadiths but also went to Baghdad from Mecca or Medina eight times, lived at a time on the leaves of plants and also died at the age of 62.

    In the early years Islam was a shining example of tolerance, education, social care, science and learning. The west came to Islamic countries to study and learn science and medicine! It was on the adoption of the present Sunnah and Hadith that the slow decline of Islam started.

    Peace

  11. avatar Hassan says:

    Josef: look at that verse more thoroughly, it says: Say: “If ye do love Allah, follow me (Muhammad): Allah will love you and forgive your sins: For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.”

    my friend, Allah (or God) is giving the narration the entire way, He told Muhammad to say to his people “If ye do love Allah, follow me (Muhammad): Allah will love you and forgive your sins: For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.”

    that’s why the verse begins with the word “Say:”. it’s actually an order for Muhammad to say the following passages to his followers. I hope you understand my explanation.

    peace.

    Josef: I may add that if you don’t understand the “me” there, here’s a simple example. I am now talking to you, and I wanted you to say this to your friend: “I live in Bintaro. come over and see me sometimes”. now, if you say those exact words to a friend of yours, then he/she will understand that it’s you (Josef) that lives in Bintaro, and not me (Hassan). try it! )

    Allah wanted Muhammad to say these exact words to his followers: “If ye do love Allah, follow me (Muhammad): Allah will love you and forgive your sins: For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.”

    why? because Muhammad only told his followers exactly what Allah had ordered him to say. no more and no less, no personal opinions.

    Mohammed Khafi: your words “The wisdom that The Prophet spread whilst he was alive was most certainly guided by Allah.” sounds suspiciously like the holy ghost version of Islam. so you’re saying the “wisdom” was spread to the followers while Muhammad (pbuh) doesn’t say a word or do anything? Did Allah SWT gave them the same wisdom that he gave Muhammad, maybe yes maybe no. but the Quran never mentioned it.

    Muhammad (pbuh) still needed to say something and do things to make them understand the Quran. or are you saying that Muhammad (pbuh) only recited the Quran, and the followers understands them instantly? no, that’s not the case. he explains to them what the verses meant, and he gave the examples of what a Muslims should do, to materialize the teachings of the Quran. that’s the sunnah and hadith my friend, no matter how you try to deny it.

    The four guided caliphs does not feel the writing down of the hadith and sunnah is necessary, because those who lived alongside Muhammad while he was alive was still around. if someone wanted to know what Muhammad said and how is Muhammad like, they will simply explain it the way the saw him. but 250-300 years later, no sahabat is still around to do that. hence, the compilation is necessary.

  12. avatar Mohammed Khafi says:

    Hassan,

    You said:

    so you’re saying the “wisdom” was spread to the followers while Muhammad (pbuh) doesn’t say a word or do anything?

    Please don’t be so obtuse, of course the Prophet spread his wisdom by his actions and words. I am just saying that what you follow is not the actions and words of The Prophet, there may be some which are true but the vast majority are manmade corruptions and fabrication which have been used to control the Ummah.

    Muhammad (pbuh) still needed to say something and do things to make them understand the Quran.

    If that is the case why does Allah say that He made His Quran easy to understand, are there none who will follow?

    or are you saying that Muhammad (pbuh) only recited the Quran, and the followers understands them instantly?

    No, because only Allah has the power to put the message of Al Quran into peoples hearts, so that they understand.

    What is so difficult for you to grasp about the fact that Allah says His Quran is, complete, perfect and fully detailed?

    Why do you continue to deny Allah and His Holy Book?

    the four guided caliphs does not feel the writing down of the hadith and sunnah is necessary, because those who lived alongside Muhammad while he was alive was still around.

    No Hassan, because The Prophet banned them from writing any other than Al Quran because he feared that it would be confused with the revelation of the Quran. This is recorded as historical fact at the last sermon given before The Prophet died, witnessed by thousands of people.

    And what about Bukhari, where is your answer to his fantasy life? He is reputed to have collected 600,000 hadith, which at one hadith per hour for all his life would have taken him 68 years, he only lived to 62? Are we to expect that he could have taken these 600,000 Hadith and decided which were good and which were bad in an hour each? doesn’t really say much for his level of research does it?, and don’t forget he didn’t have the facilities at hand which we have.

    After his miraculous achievement at reducing his collection of 600,000 to only 7,275 he still leaves us with hadith such as this:

    The Prophet urinated in a standing position. (Bukhari, 4/60, 62)
    A group from Ureyneh and Uqayleh tribes came to the Prophet, and he advised them to drink urine of camels. Later on, when they killed the Prophet’s shepherd, the Prophet seized them, gouged out their eyes, cut their hands and legs, and left them thirsty in the desert. (Bukhari, 56/152)
    I am the most honorable messenger; on the Day of Judgement only I will think of my people. (Bukhari, 97/36)
    Do not make any distinction among the messengers; I am not even better than Jonah. (Bukhari, 65/4, 5)
    Bad luck is in the woman, the horse, and the home. (Bukhari, 76/53)
    If a donkey, a black dog or a woman passes in front of a praying person, his prayer is nullified. (Bukhari 8/102)
    The Prophet gave permission to kill children and women in war. (Bukhari, Jihad 146)
    Leaders have to be from the Quraish tribe. (Bukhari, 3/129, 183; 4/121; 86/31)
    To prove His identity, God opened his legs and showed the Prophet His thigh. (Bukhari, 97/24); 10/129)
    A tribe of monkeys arrested an adulterous monkey and stoned it to death, and I helped them. (Bukhari, 63/27)
    When the Prophet died, his armour had been pawned to a Jew for several pounds of barley. (Bukhari, 34/14, 33, 88)
    The Prophet had been bewitched by a Jew, and for several days he did not know what he was doing. (Bukhari, 59/11; 76/47)

    How do any of these thing explain Al Quran?, how do they even relate to religious belief? And once you get away from Bukhari things get even worse!
    How can anybody of reasoning and intelligence say that they think that this sort of nonsense is part of religious practice. I have deliberately left out the Hadith which are more insulting to the Prophet!

    I will ask you once again do you believe Allah when He says His is Book is complete perfct and fully detailed?

    Peace

  13. avatar Josef says:

    Thanks Hassan, I get what you are saying.

  14. avatar Molisan Tono says:

    there’s a great preacher here in Indonesia… (I better not mention names).

    he used to state the same familiar sound like “if you love Jesus, follow my instruction…”

    well, my opinion… if you love Jesus or Allah or who so ever… you should listen only to their voice… not the third party.

    if you love Allah… listen to Allah dude.

  15. avatar Hassan says:

    Mohammed Khafi: i (and other Muslims) never denied the Quran. I understand why you do what you do brother khafi, just difficult to believe what you believed.

    Molisan Tono: Muslims always do listen to Allah (and the Quran), but we also take Muhammad as our example, which Muhammad khafi refused to do (with understandable reason).

  16. avatar Bradlymail says:

    Hassan maybe you know that Mohammed Khafi only believe in al Quran, are you trying to influence him to believe in hadith or ulama?

  17. avatar Molisan Tono says:

    that’s what I called the third party…. if you believe in Allah. than listen to His voice only… through what? if you believe Al-Quran is His voice, than believe in Quran… not the man dude….

    we, Christian believe Christ is LORD and Holy Bible is His voice. we only hear His voice… not our preacher or modern day prophets…

  18. avatar Hassan says:

    Bradlymail: no, we were just having a conversation. you do know that in conversations people usually tried to make their points, don’t you?

    Molisan Tono: believe it or not, what I believed in is the mainstream of how most Muslims worldwide believed in. what khafI believed in is not a common conception in Islam.

  19. avatar Josef says:

    Another Islam question….
    “because only Allah has the power to put the message of Al Quran into peoples hearts, so that they understand.”

    Does that mean that Allah chooses who will understand the Koran and who will not? If so that seems unfair. It is saying that, me, since I read the Koran, and never believed or understood it is because Allah did not allow me to. That is not fair. Why would Allah create me to be an unbeliever. Just to send me to hell?

  20. avatar Mohammed Khafi says:

    Josef said:

    Why would Allah create me to be an unbeliever. Just to send me to hell?

    Why would you assume that you are an unbeliever just because you have not believed or understood Al Quran? You are confusing mainstream Islam with the real thing!

    It says in Al Quran that Any who believe in God, believe in the day of judgement and do good deeds have nothing to fear from God

    Do you fulfil those requirements?

    Also do not confuse unbelievers (atheists), with believers who just need to follow the above criteria and can come from many different religious backgrounds, Allah says in Al Quran, that it is a confirmation of what came before it, so the Pentateuch, or old Jewish bible, and the Gospels, are just as valid as religious guidance.

    True Islam encompasses all who believe in God, believe in the day of judgement and do good deeds, it doesn’t matter if they call themselves Jews, Christians or anything else for that matter. Just don’t be put off by the label Islam.

    Peace

  21. avatar Molisan Tono says:

    Hassan Says:
    October 15th, 2006 at 4:48 pm

    … my friend, Allah (or God) is giving the narration the entire way, He told Muhammad to say to his people “If ye do love Allah, follow me (Muhammad): Allah will love you and forgive your sins: For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.”

    are you saying…

    “if you do love Allah, follow mohammed: Allah will love you and forgive your sins:…” well, that’s logical to me but sounding weird to me…

    try this…

    “if you do love Allah, follow Me (Allah): Allah will love you and forgive your sins:…”

    that’s what I call truth…

    can you tell a sinner… “if you love God, follow your preacher (possibly a big dumb ass sinner too): and God will love you and forgive your sins…”

    why would Allah that Holy God told His people to follow Mohammed that could possibly commit sins?…

  22. avatar Karlira Kanakahuko says:

    Circumcision, whether male or female circumcision, how ridiculous! Circumcision is supported by all people who are the most narrow-minded and most ignorant in the whole universe, eternally, living in many parts of the world.

  23. avatar Jean-Jacques Amella says:

    Dear sir, madam,
    As a new Muslim I need to be circumcised but where I live in Australia, doctors are reluctant to perform the operation.
    As I go frequently to Indonesia, could you tell me where in jakarta or bandung I can find a western trained doctor who can perform the operation for an adult.
    Regards.
    JJ

  24. avatar Ihaknt says:

    FEMALE CIRCUMCISION? NO!

    Jean-Jacques Amella are you a she or he (I cant tell from your name), if a he in Australia you can go up to Queensland and there are many doctors who would do it. But, believe it or not many of the doctors who would perform this practice is Jewish as they practice circumsion, now if you have anything against the Jew then you wouldnt want to go, but believe it or not judaism is in a way similar to Islam, but let’s not discuss this here. but if you are a female, WTF are you thinking? They are not reluctant, they DON’T want to do it.

    Anyway, back to the issue. FGC is a cruel thing. many women in Moslem countries are opposed to it. Not only the bits that stick out that get cut off but also the lips, some even cut the whole thing off. even worse, with no anasthetic. there are a lot of nerve endings down there, so many women (even girls, who just get their first mens) die in the process from loss of blood. the ones who survive find sexual encounter excruciatingly painful, not to mention child birth. God mentions not to mutilate your body, then why do it?? Khafi is right, it is NOT in the Quran. Only community(ies) that don’t have a good education system still practice this. God gave women this organ to enable them to enjoy sex too because in His view sex is a beautiful thing that happens between two people who love each other. that’s why it’s called making love when you are making babies, because babies come from love. yes fair enough rape victims can get pregnant too, but that’s a different discussion all together.

    most women oppose this practice. even women in Saudi Arabia. Please read more about women studies, one of the sites I recommend to you is http://www.jeansasson.com/ she is an author and have written many books about women, some of which tell a story of a Saudi royal woman. There are many books that tell the goryness of FGC. Please please please, we don’t live in zaman jahiliyah no more….

    God help us!!! Why isnt our society progressing, instead it’s going backwards?

  25. avatar Matt says:

    I think that it should not be ban. That the parent or woman should be able to make the decision.

  26. avatar Mohammed Khafi says:

    Matt, are you suggesting that the child has no rights? Are you saying that the parents or mother of the child have the rights to surgically remove a part of their daughter? A mutilation of their daughter which could leave that child mentally and physically scarred for life, possibly depriving her of an enjoyable sex life, all because of some barbaric tradition?

    What sort of human being are you?

  27. avatar Mohammed Khafi says:

    Well who would have known? Not very well announced was it?

    Indonesia Bans Female Circumcision

  28. avatar Robert says:

    This is the only correct way to deal with this barbaric practice. Adults should keep their hands off children.

  29. avatar Zeynab says:

    Molisan is right. There’s no such thing as female circumcision in Islam. I don’t care what google says, 90% of which is always a LIE. The Quraan NEVER says anything about it. The Quraan is the source of information on Islamic laws, not google. This was a pre-Islamic culture in certain African communities. It’s continued even after the spread of Islam, just like many pre-Islamic social traditions persist in various so-called Muslim countries.

  30. avatar Tomaculum says:

    Zeynab,
    you’re right.
    But the problem is that many/most islam scholar think that this is an islam “law”.
    They are the so called “well educated”.

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