Jamaah Wahabi

Aug 23rd, 2006, in IM Posts, by

The fundamentalist Wahabi brand of Islam may not be so welcome in Indonesia after all.

Hundreds of residents of South Masbagik village in East Lombok, NTB, wildly tore down an under-construction mosque owned by the Jamaah Wahabi on the 22nd. A policeman at the scene said:

The situation in the village is better now and the head of the mosque and several followers of the Wahabi sect are now being kept safe at the local government office.
(Situasi keamanan di sekitar desa saat ini cukup kondusif dan Ketua Masjid Ustazd Airuna dan beberapa pengikut aliran Wahabi kini sedang diamankan di Kantor Camat setempat.)

Policemen were still on duty near the mosque, as at time of report, and attempts were being made to hold meetings to calm the situation.

It seems that the Jamaah Wahabi's nascent mosque attracted the ire of local people because the sect had not gotten permission from the village authorities to build it. What's more Jamaah Wahabi teachings were frowned upon by other Muslims in the village and thought to be heretical. The Jamaah Wahabi group has about 100 followers in the area.

Lombok people appear to be keen and active in enforcing the approved type of Islam on their sunny island paradise, see also the case of Ahmadiyah.


29 Comments on “Jamaah Wahabi”

  1. avatar Hassan says:
    August 24th, 2006 at 10:12 pm

    See, people tore down illegal buildings (including the wahabi mosque) all the time. So when people shut down illegal churches (churches built without the permission of both the local authorities and inhabitants), it’s nothing personal. Let’s do things legally.

  2. avatar Tomaculum says:
    November 19th, 2006 at 11:00 pm

    Hassan,
    be honest: do you know how many mosques in Indonesia are illegally built?
    And I’m sure this acts are done not because of legallity or illegality, the motivation is intolerance and self-importance, isn’t it?
    The old problem: which sect or which religion is the right one? (The one in majority?).

  3. avatar Umar Aliyu says:
    January 12th, 2007 at 2:33 am

    I see no rationale in bringing down the mosque, I believe as long as they believe in Allah and the prophet they are Muslims, it’s better they are advised in a more polite manner.

    Please unite, it’s better than fighting. Whether sunni or shi’i we are Muslims. It’s better we correct ourselves since our differences are minor.

  4. avatar Nelson says:
    March 22nd, 2007 at 3:12 pm

    Hamas TV broadcast today a video dramatization of the four-year-old daughter of female suicide bomber Reem Riyashi singing to her dead mother and vowing to follow in her footsteps. The video clip ends as the little girl picks up sticks of explosives from her mother’s drawer.
    The Al Aqsa TV children’s program shows a child actress playing the daughter, watching Riyashi preparing the bomb and asking her mother, “Mommy, what are you carrying in your arms instead of me? A toy or a present for me?” She later sees a TV news story about her mother’s suicide mission and death, and realizes her mother had been carrying a bomb.

    “Only now, I know what was more precious than us . . . ” she sings of the bomb.

    Although she misses her mother, she vows to follow in her footsteps. The video ends as she opens her mother’s drawer and picks up the sticks of explosives her mother had left there.

  5. avatar Yanuar says:
    April 6th, 2007 at 8:43 am

    Wahabi is only bad name which given by people who dislike sunnah become alive again in Moslem Life, everyone who followed sunnah never claim themselves as wahabi, but only Salafy (ahlus sunnah wal jama’ah), ahlu hadits, sunny salafy, there are no odd in Wahabi principle, they are only want to make Islam arise again as in Khulafaur Rasyidin time, back to the pure of Islam when most moslem have live pure Islam (sunnah), doing bid’ah in their religion, their delivery the da’wah by Qur’an and Hadits of the prophet and understanding Qur’an & Hadits as sahabah did. but most Moslems who do not know their pure religion and only followed their anchestor in Religion always think negatuve and antipathy to them by giving bad name Wahabi, “say the truth even though it bitter for us”.

  6. avatar Shery says:
    April 8th, 2007 at 5:04 pm

    Actually wahbi is made by USA and other foreign organizations and wahabi is more against shia than sunna. They are even against themselves. They are brainwashed and they work against islam.

    The Muslim who kill another Muslims has no path but hell.

    At the end those wahabi are killers machine and they aren’t Muslims. They are made by Mossad and CIA.

  7. avatar Siti Hilton says:
    April 16th, 2007 at 1:50 pm

    Dear all of Moslem Indonesia, No matter, Wahabi is only name, given by a man. The main thing here, they are still Moslem, believed to Allah & the Prophets.

    Could you please show your behavior better than those?
    So, right or wrong it’s clear to me that violence is not the right answer, so first interpretation of the verse is more likely to be correct.

    Sunnah and hadits are manmade and not protected by Allah. At the same time, Quran is protected by Allah.

    Because of that, how to stop this problem happen again? I have an idea for all of you as my brothers and sisters as Moslem Indonesia.

    Lets follow of Alqur’an then understanding the contents and also read the other original God giving, Holy books who are the truee believers.

    Love & Peace.

  8. avatar Yunir says:
    April 16th, 2007 at 5:20 pm

    The Qur’an:
    “And there are those who put up a mosque by way of mischief and infidelity – to disunite the Believers – and in preparation for one who warred against Allah and His Messenger aforetime. They will indeed swear that their intention is nothing but good”
    - at-Tawbah: 107

    Putting aside legal matters,
    What was the purpose of the Wahabi Jamaah mosque? For the community or for Wahabi sect only?

  9. avatar Aluang anak Bayang says:
    April 16th, 2007 at 7:27 pm

    Mbak Siti Hilton,

    Sunnah and hadits are manmade and not protected by Allah
    At the same time, Quran is protected by Allah

    I believe Qu’ran was already contaminated by the Jews or the CIA. Check out the two verses below, they can’t possibly be from our beloved Allah saw.

    I liked this one, but my wife disagreed.
    (Q 4:24) “Dan jika kamu takut tidak akan dapat berlaku adil terhadap (hak-hak) perempuan yatim (bilamana kamu mengawininya), maka kawinilah wanita-wanita (lain) yang kamu senangi: dua, tiga atau empat. Kemudian jika kamu takut tidak akan dapat berlaku adil, maka (kawinilah) seorang saja, atau budak-budak yang kamu miliki. Yang demikian itu adalah lebih dekat kepada tidak berbuat aniaya.”

    The one below is the most sickest, the man talak his wife but the woman will have to sleep with another man in order to remarry. It can’t be Allah who wrote this one. This is Arabs’ tradisi, not Indonesian. I see no difference between this creed and the swingers of negara barat, who voluntarily exchange their wives for one night. Read for yourself:
    (Q 2:230) “
    Kemudian jika si suami menalaknya (sesudah talak yang kedua), maka perempuan itu tidak halal lagi baginya hingga dia kawin dengan suami yang lain. Kemudian jika suami yang lain itu menceraikannya, maka tidak ada dosa bagi keduanya (bekas suami pertama dan istri) untuk kawin kembali jika keduanya berpendapat akan dapat menjalankan hukum-hukum Allah. Itulah hukum-hukum Allah, diterangkan-Nya kepada kaum yang (mau) mengetahui“.

    So what do you think? I suggest we should all use our commonsense instead of following a book.

    Salam.

  10. avatar Yunir says:
    April 16th, 2007 at 8:15 pm

    Aluang,
    this is a discussion on the Jamaah Wahabi mosque. If you claim that CIA and Jews have contaminated the Qur’an, please write a seperate article about it.

    you said,

    I suggest we should all use our commonsense

    Commonsense is nothing more than a cognitive process. And therefore, differs from one person to another, from one society to another.

    The Qur’an is not to be read with your commonsense. The Qur’an is to be read with your brain. Use logic and reasoning. This goes to the first few chapters that were revealed in Mecca. If you do not accept the logical reasonings brought forth in these chapters, there is no point in following up the later chapters revealed in Medina.

  11. avatar Aluang anak Bayang says:
    April 16th, 2007 at 9:55 pm

    Yunir, I am answering to a post. I am not starting new discussion. Why the hype?

    Let’s say we agree on the commonsense aspect, but logic and reasoning still tells me it is perverted and morally wrong whichever way you read from. Verse Q 2:230 is crystal clear. What virtue can you get from this?

  12. avatar Yunir says:
    April 16th, 2007 at 11:28 pm

    Aluang,

    “So if a husband divorces his wife (irrevocably), He cannot, after that, re-marry her until after she has married another husband and He has divorced her. In that case there is no blame on either of them if they re-unite, provided they feel that they can keep the limits ordained by Allah. Such are the limits ordained by Allah, which He makes plain to those who understand.” – Chapter 2 verse 230

    1. The following refers to couples who have settled for divorce for three times. If they are divorced once, they can remarry, no problem.

    With this ruling, it detest the idea that divorce is nothing more than a game. Otherwise, people will simply resort to divorce everytime there’s a conflict. When they get calm down, they remarry again. Conflict again, divorce again, and it goes on and on. This ultimately, reduces the significance of marriage and family itself.
    What’s the point of marriage anyway then.

    In other words, this ruling actually helps couple to be clear headed and settle issues calmly. Divorce is not the only way to settle conflicts.

    2. The Qur’an continues in verse 231:
    “When ye divorce women, and they fulfil the term of their (‘Iddat), either take them back on equitable terms or set them free on equitable terms; but do not take them back to injure them, (or) to take undue advantage; if any one does that; He wrongs his own soul. Do not treat Allah’s Signs as a jest, but solemnly rehearse Allah’s favours on you, and the fact that He sent down to you the Book and Wisdom, for your instruction. And fear Allah, and know that Allah is well acquainted with all things.”

    And again, in verse 232:
    “When ye divorce women, and they fulfil the term of their (‘Iddat), do not prevent them from marrying their (former) husbands, if they mutually agree on equitable terms. This instruction is for all amongst you, who believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is (the course Making for) most virtue and purity amongst you and Allah knows, and ye know not.”

    (These verses are self-explanatory.)

    3. The same Capter verse 236: “There is no blame on you if ye divorce women before consummation”

    Unlike what you called “swingers of negara barat,” the marriage from the second husband of the female does not need to involve copulation. That is, the second husband, if he wills it, can marry the lady, and without any intimacy, can divorce her. So she then is valid to remarry her first husband.

    Let me restate the last few words of the verse 230:
    “..Such are the limits ordained by Allah, which He makes plain to those who understand.”

    The same Chapter, verse 208: “O ye who believe! Enter into Islam whole-heartedly;”

  13. avatar Siti Hilton says:
    April 17th, 2007 at 5:21 pm

    Dear Yunir,
    In my humble opinion, the purpose of Wahabi to build the Mosque is the same like other Moslems, place for prayer to God, so….,everyone is WELLCOME!!!
    Mosque not just holy place,but more likely to do the relationship bitween Allah and the human and also place to meet between the human & the other human. So, the rich people and the poor can meet each other in one place, sharing our Love and sadness. We are not just tobe one but even in God eyes .

    So, Mosque not just for Wahabi folowers, but a symbol for all of Moslems in the world to do the: invocation,orison,supplication,benediction,petition or anything about prayerful to make us more close to our God.

    Lets us worship God!! with more faith to the Holy Qur’an

    The Qur’an:( Alma’un 1-4 )
    1. Have you seen him who denies the Recompense?
    2. That is he who repulses the orphan (harshly),
    3. And urges not on the feeding of al-Miskin( the foor),
    4. So woe unto those performers of salat (prayers)( hypocrites),

    Love & Peace

  14. avatar Umar Aliyu says:
    April 17th, 2007 at 5:52 pm

    WAHHABISM: UNDERSTANDING THE ROOTS AND ROLE MODELS OF ISLAMIC EXTREMISM
    by Zubair Qamar*

    http://www.sunnah.org/articles/Wahhabiarticleedit.htm

  15. avatar Yunir says:
    April 17th, 2007 at 8:33 pm

    Hi Umar Aliyu,

    I think it would be best if you could instead provide the lengthy article into bite-size. Or host the article up somewhere on the web and put up a link to it.
    Thx

    Hi Siti,
    I think the very fact that the construction of the mosque is not supported by the local Muslim community is enough to wane the construction itself. No matter if its Wahabi mosque or Sunni mosque.

    If Muslims already have grudges against a mosque even before it is fully built, that mosque is then already detrimental to the Muslim community itself. Unless there is no mosque within close proximity.

  16. avatar Siti Hilton says:
    April 17th, 2007 at 8:44 pm

    Assalamu’alaikum Wr.Wb,
    Aluang,
    You be allowed to use your common sense, but not for this one below:

    You totally misunderstood what the Holy Qur’an meaning. Ok, the meaning of article as above is: “If you worried can’t to be a fair, don’t ever thinking to marry someone because you feel sorry of her because she just lost her parents, then marry someone you Love: two, three or four (if you can handle to be fair, be included: Love, economic etc) (termasuk juga kekayaan batin & rohani) I THINK NO ONE CAN HANDLE ALL OF THE REQUIREMENT GUYS (EXCEPT PROPHET OF MOHAMMED).

    Then the last one is very clear, you have been toll to marry one person only in you life, no matter, their come from high class backgroud or lower class no problem, the main think you love each other, honor and respect as human being in marriage as husband & wife as ALLAH WISH”.

    OK? Are you understand now? Use your brain ok?
    Please carefully in your thought!

    Aluang,
    Quran forever be HOLY, always. Please! Learn more then you be feel safe & peace, till you be in agony & in Doom Day!

    Q : Al- kafirun part 1-6

    1- Say (O Muhammad ( peace be upon him) to these musrikun and kafirun):”O Al- Kafirun (disbelievers in ALLAH, in His oneness, in His Angels, in His Books, in His Messengers, in the Day of Resurection, and in Al-Qadar)!
    2-” I worship not that which you worship,
    3-” Nor will you worship that which I worship.
    4-” And I shall not worship that which you are worshipping.
    5-” Nor will you worship that which I worship.
    6-” To you be your religion, and to me my religion (Islamic Monotheism).

    Love & Peace.

  17. avatar Aluang anak Bayang says:
    April 17th, 2007 at 9:29 pm

    Yunir, I must admit that a lot of religious reasonings are most unbelievable, however islam are by far the worst contender. Moslems can justify anything from polygamy, rape, violence, incest and wife swap. Early last year, a Singaporean moslem explained to a court house that he found verses in the Qu’ran justifying sex with his daughter. Of course no moslem believe him, but if he was rasulallah, moslem will try to justify it by saying Allah make him do it to show mankind that it haram. This is exactly how you explain verse Q2:230. Why the complexity in remarrying your ex-wife if she hasn’t already married? Verse Q 2:230 is obviously written by a male chauvinist society when women are objects to be passed around.

    Allah created men to be highly sexually aroused creatures, and you are telling me there is no copulation for a one-night-marriage. What happen to verse Q 2:223 “Your wives are a tilth unto you; so go to your tilth when or how you will”. So you are saying it is haram to have sex with your legally acquired wife. You are contradicting yourself.

    Yunir, I know and can smell evil quranic verses when I see one. That is how good Javanese brains are.

  18. avatar Aluang anak Bayang says:
    April 17th, 2007 at 9:47 pm

    mu’alaikum salam, Bmak Siti,

    I THINK NO ONE CAN HANDLE ALL OF THE REQUIREMENT GUYS (EXCEPT PROPHET OF MOHAMMED

    I am young and I am sure I can handle a few more. :P I certainly like to be a good moslem because it is male centred, however, my conscience tells me they are many wrongs with islamic interpretations. Unfortunately, my wife is Javanese and she is more intelligent than any other Allah created men. She would even get upset when I looked at other ladies in the shopping mall. I wish I have good moslem wife like you so I can have more spare wives and they live happily ever after. Are you still single?

    Salam.
    Akangmas

  19. avatar David says:
    April 17th, 2007 at 10:23 pm

    Hi Umar Aliyu,

    I think it would be best if you could instead provide the lengthy article into bite-size. Or host the article up somewhere on the web and put up a link to it.
    Thx

    Done.

  20. avatar Yunir says:
    April 17th, 2007 at 11:05 pm

    Hi Patung, thx for the effort.

    Aluang, you said,

    So you are saying it is haram to have sex with your legally acquired wife. You are contradicting yourself.

    I neither said its haram nor obligation.

    Your response is typical of any Islam/Qur’an-bashers. When your claims have been refuted clearly and logically, you resort to move around to other topics which does not help in the discussion at all.

  21. avatar Aluang anak Bayang says:
    April 18th, 2007 at 12:10 am

    yunir,

    I neither said its haram nor obligation

    Verse Q 2:230 is clear cut, haram or halal, it makes no difference. If haram, it is not supportive of verse Q 2:223, but since qu’ran has to be faultless, it has to be halal. Now, what if a child is borne out of this one-night-stand liaison, who is the biological father?

    Why not just admit that there are many wrong interpretation with quranic verses? Sputjam just told me that verse Q 4:34 ‘.. beat your wife’ should be ‘.. ignore your wife’. Hassan said virgins reward in heaven are only to see, but no touching, Mas Khafi don’t believe in polygamy, Ikhant think she has equal right as men, Gus Dur said there should be no penalty for apostasy.

    See, I prefer Indonesian version, our brothers and sisters are morally conscious than outsiders’ interpretation. :)

  22. avatar Yunir says:
    April 18th, 2007 at 12:45 am

    Aluang,
    There is a distinction between, halal, haram and obligation.

    I repeat my self,

    Your response is typical of any Islam/Qur’an-bashers. When your claims have been refuted clearly and logically, you resort to move around to other topics which does not help in the discussion at all.

    I’m looking at how this discussion is going along:

    —–

    I prompted earlier,

    this is a discussion on the Jamaah Wahabi mosque. If you claim that CIA and Jews have contaminated the Qur’an, please write a seperate article about it.

    But you replied:

    Yunir, I am answering to a post. I am not starting new discussion.
    ….
    Verse Q 2:230 is crystal clear. What virtue can you get from this?

    And for which I did respond to address your issues on the particular verse of 2:230.

    Ignoring the fact that your arguments have indeed been logically and reasonably argued, you choose to talk about a Singaporean who said it was OK to have sex with his own daughter. At the same time, you said I contradicted myself.

    I replied:

    I neither said its haram nor obligation

    And now you are replying:

    Verse Q 2:230 is clear cut, haram or halal, it makes no difference.

    Please, there is a distinction between, halal, haram and obligation.

    You have also now want to bring in the discussion on biological father-relationship.
    And also, you talked about virgins, Mas Khafi, and Sputjam….

    this is a discussion on the Jamaah Wahabi mosque. If you claim that CIA and Jews have contaminated the Qur’an, please write a seperate article about it.

  23. avatar Abdul Khalid al Jumhuri says:
    April 18th, 2007 at 5:10 am

    Dear Brothers and Sisters,
    Why cannot we simply believe the fact as recorded in the history?

    1. The Wahabbis are simply another group of people who use the Qur’an to justify their political aspirations? They ganged up with the al-Saud clan in the early 20s, kicked the butts of all other smaller clans in the Arab peninsula.

    2. They kicked the remaining Ottoman ruler after World War I, get the Hashemite (historically the keeper of both Mecca and Medina) out of Mecca and Medina, and call themselves the “keeper of al-Haramain.” Ask any Turks how they love the Saudis. They feel like they still have the boot in their azz** when the Saudis kicked them hard during the last of the Ottoman “khaliphate” or empire.

    3. Until now the Jordanians, Syrians, and the Egyptian (all) hate the Saudis. Be my guest, ask any of those nationality how they love the Saudis and the Wahabbis. The Saudis (and the Wahabbis), then sold this idea that theirs are the true teaching, and the rest of the regions are not Islam enough. Of course, the Shiah is the worst in their eyes.

    4. They do all the above in the name of Qur’an and Allah, and now they try to sell the whole thing out of the peninsula to those who are ignorant enough to believe.

    It is all about power, money, and politics. The sad fact is that because of their stupid teachings, all Moslems in the world have carry the burden to answer the questions of how to rationalize:
    [1] suicide bombings (oh, that is normal…the Japanese also have the Kamikazes, we call it syuhada),
    [2] the 911 (oh, no, it was a CIA and the Jews who did it),
    [3] Hamas and Fattah rift is real (it is clearly again the work of the CIA and the Jews),
    [4] Nurdin M. Top is really a wicked person (now that Dr. Azahari is dead, otherwise we could easily deny their existence and would have said that both a the gost invented by the Indonesian Police in collaboration with CIA, the west and the Jews). On this, I wonder why are those Malaysians doing their crime thing here, not in Malaysia? Are we thinking that KL is holier than Jakarta, what a joke! They should start their jihad down at KL, Genting Island, and other places.

    I am so sick and tired of this cowardly rationalization. If we are truly the din al-dunya we need to act a little smarter than this. Lets discuss more on how to be a contribution in Indonesia as the din.

  24. avatar Aluang anak Bayang says:
    April 18th, 2007 at 5:12 am

    Yunir, in re to the child, I am merely pointing out that the consequences of such ruling which you failed to contemplate. It is not a new topic, but a conclusion of such liaison you missed or conveniently ignored (which I now suspect). If you do not have an answer to it, just say so, your integrity may still be intact. Repeating that I am an Islam/Qur’an-bashers may makes you feel better, but it still won’t make your refutation any clearer or logical.

    Please, there is a distinction between, halal, haram and obligation.

    Sure the meaning of this 3 words are different, if that is what you meant.

  25. avatar Siti Hilton says:
    April 18th, 2007 at 7:31 am

    To: Aluang,
    You said:

    “I am young and I am sure I can handle a few more”

    See? You really not understand what God meaning in the Quran. Sorry, I sould to say “you totally IDIOT! You need to sharpen your religion if you thinking you still Moslem”.

    So sad, why a Moslem like you, could humiliate my beautiful Religion? ( Istigfar Please!)

    Q: Al-Nasr:1-3
    1. When there comes the help of Allah (to you, O Mohammad) (peace be upon him) against your enemies) and the conquest (of Makkah).
    2. And you see that the people enter Allah’s religion (Islam) in crowds.
    3. So glorify the praises of your Lord, and ask for His Forgiveness. Verily, He is the one Who accepts the repetance and Forgives.

    Aluang,

    “Moslem is never be wrong, Moslem is the truee Religion in GOD eyes”

    But you! You think marriage is only for sex? (poor you) (Indo person always NGILER).
    Marriage is Holy Agreement, between a couple and Allah, even though my husband is a rich man, I don’t want He have two wives, because I do know, normal people can still to be people, so, never can be a Prophet.

    One’s agains!

    Did you know what the meaning Ring in your sweet finger? That’s symbol of trush between husband & wife.

    You allowed to looked at other ladies at shopping Mall, (Allah gave us two beautiful eyes, but must be still remember not for a naughty think) melirik sih boleh saja, tetapi harus tetap ingat Istri Tercinta di rumah, Ok?

    Wassalam & Peace.

  26. avatar Umar Aliyu says:
    April 18th, 2007 at 8:03 pm

    ABDUL KHALID ALJAMHURI,

    I support your views, please let me know the major problems in Indonesia. Is there sunni majority or the Shiah, is it wahabi or the sufis, please what’s the problem.

    Umar aliyu. Nigeria.

  27. avatar Neng says:
    September 22nd, 2008 at 12:47 pm

    Salaam,

    Aluang you are totally sick, man!!!. If you a trully muslim then just accept what is written in the quran…..khallas,full stop!!!!. And also You’ve got no respect whatsoever with the female.Shame on you..!!!!.

    Listen guys,

    Salafi people are just trying to follow their religion by sunnah. Leave them alone!!.

  28. avatar suradi says:
    June 17th, 2010 at 9:55 pm

    Indonesians are very tolerance and respect each other sect with exception the Wahabi sect which declares that only their wahabi ulema interpretation is correct while interpretation of others are considered infidels and has to be changed if neccessary by force, this sect has the habit of using force to others , one could easy spot this in Saudi Arabia as the wahabi state where even for praying to God people are forced to do that by their religious police, and not to forget that most of hardline extremist are from this sect.
    the good ukhuwah islamiyah in Indonesia has been recently disrupted by the wahabi activist who actively trying to spread their brand of islam.

  29. avatar snowy says:
    July 18th, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    The topic is on Wahabi.
    Let’s be REAL guys, politics, power and economic gains were Wahabi’s goals.
    On another topic-I agree with Aluang Anak Bayang on the texts of the Quran that were probably “tainted” by a group of chauvinistic men who ruled society at that time. I am a Moslem and I struggle on a daily basis with some of the practice, and thus I do only what I feel is right as a human, an individual contributing to a society, as a parent, as a friend, and my relationship with GOD.



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