Tibo Execution

Aug 11th, 2006, in IM Posts, by David

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Peace Says:
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:40 pm
To Amran.

Tibo was not a hero, yet, how could you be sure he;s the leader of the attack when the 14 charges against Tibo cs cannot be proved by the courts? Where’s justice?
Of course you see yourself as the right side, who doesn’t? people tend to be like that, you’re not crazy to blame the Muslim wrongdoings either.
I’m not saying the Christian are not to blame.
But the trial who sent someone (in this case 3 persons) to death without being able to prove their charges, is a flawed trial!
Even if you were from Poso, do you have the right to say you are right and those oppose you are wrong? From your perspective maybe.
Christians are as right and as wrong as Muslims in Poso.
Don’t become part of the stupid whiney people like shown in what you have written!
Shanthan Says:
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:30 pm
Amran, I am interested to hear your side. What makes you so convinced that Tibo was the ring leader?
Bradlymail Says:
September 24th, 2006 at 9:08 am
Heng welcome to this forum! I describe myself as a ‘secular Muslim’. I have children, I will never ever teach my children to hate people surrounding them, whether they come from other races or religions. Thanks for your opinion.

Amran why this thing happened? Because your community never trusts each other!
Tommy Joe Says:
September 24th, 2006 at 12:17 pm
I’m Tommy, an Indonesian a Moslem.
My Brothers and Sisters, of all faith.
There’s something missing in our dialogue in this forum. And that is… Neutrality.

To my fellows Christian…
I can respectfully understand why my Christian brothers are so angry at the execution of Tibo and friends. That shows your solidarity and your care to your fellow Christians.

But Brothers… Could it be… That Tibo and friends are not the same as you think they are? Could it be… That Tibo (in someway) are responsible for the death of hundreds people in the riot? If They are responsible in some way. I think they deserve the punishment they got. Please, think as if you are one of the victim’s family. How would you now feel about Tibo and friends?

To my fellows Muslim…
I can also understand your rage and approval on Tibo’s execution. Now you feel that justice has been done, don’t you?

But my beloved brothers… Could it be… That Tibo is not the one who’s responsible for the genocide? Could it be… That we condemned the wrong persons after all. If they are just as victim as the killed women and children in the riot, is it the kinda justice that we want? Please, think as if you are Tibo and you are wrongly accused. How would you feel?

I cried…Yes I did, I cried… at the moment Tibo and friends are executed. I cried for that this is not the world I dream to live in.
The world where everybody says he/she is right while he/she intendeedly does all the wrong things.

The world where everybody says he love peace while he supports invasion over other’s rights of freedom.

The world where everybody says he support democracy while he never listen to others.

The world where everybody has a GOD, but he never act like he has one.

We spend too much energy to show the world that our relogion is better than other’s, but we never care whether we have accomplished what God tell us to do. That goes both to Muslims and Christians.

Tibo’s execution is not a product of faith-war. It’s a product of legal system. I don’t believe the penalty is just. But I have respect for the legal system.

The pope’s letter to President SBY to cancel Tibo’s execution make things more unreasonable.
If we release Tibo, we must also release Imam Samudra, right?
The Christians might say, No..no… Imam is guity but Tibo is not.

How can you say that? Is it just because Imam bravely admited his sin while Tibo strongly denied?

I say Tibo must be killed if the court has proved him guilty. And Imam Samudra must also get the same.

It’s not a perfect world, so the best among us are those who try to make it perfect.

Brothers… If you can’t make things better, just try not to make it worse.
Some opinions I read above shows me how still narrowminded most of us are. But I appreciate my Brother Shanthan of Singapore. We can learn much from him.

Prophet Muhammad PBUH said… Say only right thing, or be silent.
Something that even Pope Benedict XVI should learn about.
Miss Indo 07 Says:
September 25th, 2006 at 2:19 pm
For Amran. Before 2000, Poso was a peaceful place, but before 2000, my cousins and my aunt were killed, burnt in the May riots, before 2000, a lot of churches were burnt, bombed, and it’s still happening until now.

Do you agree if I tell that those things happen because of people like you?? people who always think that we, Christians, Catholics, Chinese always hate Islam and think negative about Islam?

Tibo is not a hero, but you, and I, we all don’t know the truth, if the fact is he’s not guilty, can you bring them back to life? And yet if they are guilty, is that human’s authority to kill them?

For your information, I dont hate Islam, I hate the so-called Islam, I hate fanatic people, including fanatic Christians and Catholics, I hate people who only think that their religion is the best, and other people’s religion is wrong and bad, and I hate those fake Islam, who use Islam’s name to bomb, kill, rape.

Btw. Amran, as a Muslim, dont you think it’s a shame when those culprits burn churches and shout ALLAHU AKBAR proudly and loudly at the same time? And when they rape, steal things in the riot also by shouting ALLAHU AKBAR?

As a Catholic, I’ll be very ashamed and angry if there are people burning mosque or killing by using my religion & my God’s name.
Julita Says:
September 26th, 2006 at 4:21 am
Tommy Joey,
I know where you are coming from, Your emotion is working in judging everything but not the brain and the heart, no compassion. But don’t start talking about the Holy Father, he is stating something which nobody, nobody dare to express. As a proof the next day killing of the nun and riots. He was saying the truth in the past even up to now, look at the world. Shall I mention all the countries you people are causing problem to, kill, kill, kill. What we learn is to love all. Face the truth and tell your own people to behave.
Bradlymail Says:
September 26th, 2006 at 7:54 am
I am with you Miss Indo 07…..peace upon you !
Bradlymail Says:
September 27th, 2006 at 7:52 am
Tommy Joe@ I am not interested in your comment…full of rubbish. Do not compare religions and races…now we are talking about discrimination against minorities, unfair judicial system towards them! I am Muslim too.. does Indonesian Muslim really follow Prophet Muhammad’s s.a.w teaching? If they do there is no violance in this country. Please think about it. You give Prophet Muhammad s.aw a bad name.
SundRamoorthy Says:
September 30th, 2006 at 2:02 pm
As an outsider looking in, I believe that its the political system that instigates racial / religious riots in Indonesia.

Correct me if I am wrong, I believe that all else being equal, meaning in an ideal world without corruption, Muslims and Christians in Indonesia will be chilling.

I believe the masses are controlled by a political and judicial system that is entrenched in corruption. Some say corruption exists in Singapore also. Some politicians in Singpaore are accused of making their family members heads of public companies, etc. Whether this is true or not, is another matter. BUT, this , is nothing like Indonesia. Political corruption in Indonesia drives Muslims against Christians, Christians against Muslims, native Indonesians against Chinese, Chinese against native Indonesians.

Granted, Indonesia is not the only place where this happens.

India is jia lat also. Hindus desecrating mosques, Muslims tearing down temples. All driven by corrupt politicians. Corrupt politicians are driven by money and power.

By ensuring the people are divided, political leaders can do whatever they want. I strongly strongly believe there can be peace in Indonesia, as long as political leaders and powerful businessmen , the military and all other people in power are strong enough to resist corruption.

I guess at the end of the day, its still the same. The people at the top of the pyramid chill and count their money. The people at the bottom fight against each other, experience tragic loss and argue over who is guilty / not guilty , who should be executed / not executed.
Bradlymail Says:
September 30th, 2006 at 4:11 pm
Sundram welcome to this blog…like more hear from year…..excellence and thanks for your opinion.
Zantos Says:
December 21st, 2006 at 7:33 am
Iam Catholic, I was Moslem, Iam proud of being Catholic now. Thanks God for gave me a new peacefull religion where there’s no hate, no negative thinking, love, and everything good. I would like to invite all of Moslem all around the world to think over and over again about following Muhammad. It is useless, He still need your prayer because of his huge sin for marrying 9 years…. I have been living in Poso for 3 years before it’s dissaster. I know much about Islam so please do not tell lie. Your first mission is to eliminate Christian and Jewish in the world….. the real terrorist is Muhamad and Islam. And Islam is not a religion. It’s a satanic….. for God Shake I know what I say………
Ihaknt Says:
December 21st, 2006 at 7:45 am
Zantos,

Thanks God for gave me a new peacefull religion where there’s no hate, no negative thinking, love, and everything good….

And Islam is not a religion. It’s a satanic

You are contradicting yourself. You said all the positive things but by the end of your post you said the negative thinking…Please be consistent before you try to persuade others.
Bradlymail Says:
December 21st, 2006 at 8:12 am
zantos you have so many faces,great liar.You are hypocrite ! I don’t think you were Muslim before ? you are part of zionism.You are a desparado !
Dimp Says:
December 21st, 2006 at 8:29 am
Hey Zantos,

If you are saying that your new religion has no hate then why are you bashing Islam and Muhammad?
Miss Indo 07 Says:
December 21st, 2006 at 9:03 am
Zantos. Please don’t ruin Catholics’ name with your statement.
Dimp Says:
December 21st, 2006 at 10:40 am
Another one bites the dust……

I hope he truly understand the true meaning of Catholic values.
Bradlymail Says:
December 21st, 2006 at 2:11 pm
Yeah! I agree with Miss Indo 07 & Dimp. Thanks!