Jilbab hot, and not – Mufidah, Uga & Ani

May 28th, 2009, in IM Posts, by David

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101 Comments on “Jilbab hot, and not – Mufidah, Uga & Ani”

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diego Says:
June 2nd, 2009 at 10:52 pm
Eh, I just checked JakartaPost today, scanning for news related to looneys…, and here’s what I got: http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/06/02/religious-judges.html

I’m not going to talk about the ideology and politics here, I just want to understand: why are those people so fuglies? (just see the picture).

Anyone knows why?
ET Says:
June 2nd, 2009 at 11:10 pm
Berlian Biru said

So don’t always believe that the jilbabber is doing so out of piety and modesty, this is Indonesia after all.

Not only in Indonesia. A couple of days ago I saw a TV documentary about prostitution Dubai-style. Women fully clad in niqab approach cars with male occupants in parking lots and let them fondle their breasts through the open car window. But diego is right. How can we be sure these women aren’t jewish or infidels who act this way to defame islam? Who says they aren’t transvestites operating undercover for the CIA or Mossad?
Astaghfirullah!
zekky Says:
June 3rd, 2009 at 1:33 am
[Arabs achieved] the invention of modern medicine and spreading the world’s first effective numeral system…

I appreciate their role in enlightening the West, but they often merely elaborated and transported ideas originally from India and China.
zekky Says:
June 3rd, 2009 at 1:36 am
Apologies for my last comment – I just noticed the quoted comment mentioned Arabs spreading, not inventing, the numerals.
diego Says:
June 3rd, 2009 at 1:55 am
He he zecky, I also double-checked on Wiki and made sure BroMo said “spreading” before commenting…, and BroMo was right, apparently they did spread it (to the west). Allright, fine, so they (the arabs) did it. But it doesn’t invalidate my point about wahabist (saudi arabians) being neanderthals (BroMo was the first to say it). I said wahabist, not the pre-wahabist arabs (there are some good arabs anyway — allright, call me racist again). It’s easy to see with our own eyes, these wahabists only produced lazy, dumb, drunken funnily-dressed (I guess it’s perfect attire for quick sex on the desert, no zipper) hypocrites who can’t even dance (just check youtube for “saudi arabian dance”, just for a laugh).
Odinius Says:
June 3rd, 2009 at 3:00 am
The Arabs invented/spread modern numbers at a time when the Middle East was quite progressive, by contemporary standards. They were also discovering, preserving and commenting on Greek philosophy, medicine and many other things. Europeans were mostly throwing mud at each other around that time.

Notably, this was many hundred years before “Wahhabism.”
Zekky Says:
June 3rd, 2009 at 5:22 am
But it doesn’t invalidate my point about wahabist (saudi arabians) being neanderthals

I think that’s an insult to Neanderthals.
DumadiSatrio Says:
June 3rd, 2009 at 12:10 pm
Lets not forget the Persians.
We keep saying arab, as if everyone in the region were arab, while forgeting the Persians, who more than anyone contributed to the renaissance of the region.
You could not talk about the history of the region without talking of persians such as Muhammad Ar-Razi, Omar Khayyám, or Ali ibn Abbas al-Majusi
a-matter-of-fact Says:
June 5th, 2009 at 3:41 am
I think SBY and his running mate should behave as they deem fit and not having to pretend to be a Islamic like many bigots suggested.

People might want to know to ehat extent this country is going to be. F**K those bastards lik JK, Wiranto Prabowo and asked them to comekiss my arse one moe time.

Any person voting for them is hell bound..

Giving them the power to collude with people from Middle East to help them set up bank account in order to enrich themselves what they thought they were getting during the 1998 riot. So for a President of a country they should behave what they deem fit to be a leader.

Take a look at that mad man of Afghanistan.. He is mata serong, otak rusak, pakaian seperti pengemis, and speak like a preman.

This had happened when JK make his speech. If it is Wiranto or Prabowo then it will not be any difference. So let us all give all these MF a kick in their face. I know many pro Islamic fanatics may quite dislike the way it is but it has to be the way.
diego Says:
June 5th, 2009 at 5:04 am
Take a look at that mad man of Afghanistan.. He is mata serong, otak rusak, pakaian seperti pengemis, and speak like a preman.

You mean Iran? Ach-Mad-Dinejad.
BacKStbrZ Says:
June 5th, 2009 at 6:40 am
You know what?? a stupid thing to do is… judging a book by its cover….

I once had a friend in jogja… she was required to wear a jilbab while attending college, after that….

She went out with me without even using it… did some nice things together….

people need more perspective in seing things… (in my opinion)

Jilbab = pious? no…

Jilbab = looks pious? yes…

the really thing that matters is…. IT MATTERS…… EVERYTHING MUST “LOOK” PIOUS HERE…. People here love munafiqs…. love everything that looks good….

i must remind you….

Everything has its rule…. but eventually it breaks… hahaha its a country of clowns…. im a clown as well…. laughing at another clown….

and….

Here in Indonesia…..DONT THINK! no one here thinks! they feel!!! They Choose with “heart”, Like you see that manohara on TV??? They feel her pain!! Huahhahah…

Okay thats it…. oh iya…. one thing…. if anything bad happens to the country?…keep smiling! like us….
Pakmantri Says:
June 5th, 2009 at 8:10 am
@Diego,

Hermano, pienso que su amigo el dragón es detrás …………………….. )

Have fun.
diego Says:
June 5th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
Como crees? Donde esta? La verdad no tengo la menor sospecha de que esté aqui todavia, este dragito. Cual es (el nuevo nick de dragie)?

You think? Where? I don’t suspect at all that he’s still around, that little dragie. Which one (his new nick)?
Brother Mouzone Says:
June 5th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
@ Diego

(Wahabis are) hypocrites who can’t even dance (just check youtube for “saudi arabian dance”, just for a laugh).

Ouch!

Hitting those Arabs where it really hurts; their dancing skills…
Pakmantri Says:
June 5th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
@Diego,

I believe you just commented on his piece above ………….

Salam.
ET Says:
June 5th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
Hermano, pienso que su amigo el dragón es detrás …………………….. )

As a matter of fact I think so too.
diego Says:
June 6th, 2009 at 3:38 am
@BroMo

Hmm, thanks. But actually my punch line was:

I guess it’s perfect attire for quick sex on the desert, no zipper.

I was saying they’re homos (not that there’s anything is wrong with that).
Odinius Says:
June 6th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
Think it’s a bit silly to say there’s something “bad” about being an Arab, or an Arab from Saudi. The monarchy and clerical elite may be fair game for criticism, as might the politicization of the dominant theological paradigm, but the people should be separated from that. There are also plenty of more liberal-minded Saudis that you don’t hear much about in the news, but do exist and toil under extremely difficult circumstances.
andrey Says:
June 7th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
let me teach you simpletons how to use that grey matters (if you do have it, perhaps there are few milligrams of deposits somewhere there)…

so SOME jilbab using woman do something bad. so what?
that does not erase the fact that there are hundreds of millions who think that using jilbab makes them a better person.

still dont get it?
another example..

so SOME police are taking bribes.
so what?? are you going to say that we should scrap the entire police department??
DumadiSatrio Says:
June 7th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
That’s very true Andrey, I completely agree with you.
You cant judge someones character by their wardrobe.

yet, somehow this got twisted around……

Nobody was saying “Im voting for SBY because his wife didnt wear a jilbab”
andrey Says:
June 7th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
No, what I was saying was that a few bad exceptions does not negate the fact that those using jilbab are generally more pious than those who doesn’t.
DumadiSatrio Says:
June 7th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
oh, in that case we are back out of agreement.

BTW, have you found me that command from god to cover ones hair that you spoke of?
Odinius Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 12:58 am
Sorry andrey, but you’ve spectacularly missed the point being made here. If Indonesian voters make their decision based on a piece of cloth adorning the wives of the candidates, they are not using their critical faculties. Thankfully I expect this not to be the case for the vast majority of Indonesian voters.

People who wear jilbab often think they are being more pious by doing so, and in a place like Indonesia where it is a choice and not forced on the population, it is often a sign of strong religious devotion. But wearing it doesn’t automatically make you more pious.

Nor is there one way of being pious. A Sufi who dedicates his life to mystical knowledge has devoted far more of his mental and physical being to his religion than your average Salafi, but the Salafi thinks the Sufi is a heretic. The Sufi, for that matter, probably thinks the Salafi is a deluded fanatic. So just because someone wears a jilbab doesn’t mean they are more devoted or a better Muslim, given that there are so many ways of being a Muslim.
Kodew Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 7:58 am
@ Cak Odinius

So just because someone wears a jilbab doesn’t mean they are more devoted or a better Muslim, given that there are so many ways of being a Muslim.

Totally agree with you.

And speaking of Jilbab, even among jilbabers – there are many ways of wearing them : some with cadar-black/dark long wide hijab, some with one piece clothing plus long/shorter jilbab, some still wear ‘western clothing’ including jeans with jilbab on top only covers their hair, some with totally sexy tight clothing plus jilbab being tight on their neck- they ussualy consider piousity level respectively like I mentioned perviously (of course some non-jilbaber is considered the worst than any of them;even the last kind of jilbaber is totaly SEXIER tahn non jilbaber. Some woman with “jilbab gede” ussualy only say assalamualaikum to some woman with “jilbab gede” they barely known.

In my own experiences, I see no differences in piousity in terms of behaviour among those kinda jilbaber or non-jilbaber. Some non-jilabber can be a good person noticed from their ‘amal’ to the neighbourhood as well as some big-jilbaber can be a bad person in being so selfish toward their friends, not mentioned their fake/cover-only behaviour with care-only-for-clothing attitude in judging others. Being a non-jilbaber muslim my self, I no longer be able to judge a person from their clothing before i get to know thier behaviour, luckily in their daily lifes.

So about SBY’s and Budiono’s wives who doesnt ‘cover’ their head – well I haven’t seen any pictures of them wearing bikinis in mall lol yet, I see them as common indo ibu-ibu means still ‘santun’ in away they dress.

So Pak PKSer, I will still vote for SBY Berbudi:)

Maturnuwun:)
David Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
Parvita looked at different types of jilbab use once – part 1, part 2.
diego Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Anyone ever heard “jilbab lontong”? I did. I believe the one in the pic sent by ET is “jilbab lontong”.
Odinius Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
Patung said:

Parvita looked at different types of jilbab use once – part 1, part 2.

So funny. I know that is tongue in cheek, but what really sticks out is how vague the Quranic passages are. What is “your adornment?” Could be anything, really. People associate that hair but does anyone really know that this is what was intended? Might be private parts.
Astrajingga Says:
June 9th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
the fact that those using jilbab are generally more pious than those who doesn’t.

Three problems here, is there any statistic, research, backing this up? How many percent of those jilbabers more pious than those who doesn’t, how many percent can be accepted as ‘generally’.

Second, how to measure piousness?

Third, how to define pious? My dictionary gives some definitions, which one is:

making a hypocritical display of virtue

Is this what you were trying to say, andrey?
Brother Mouzone Says:
June 9th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
@Odinius

The monarchy and clerical elite may be fair game for criticism, as might the politicization of the dominant theological paradigm, but the people should be separated from that.

That would require the ability to view the world in shades of gray as opposed to the much easier black and white approach.

There is no time to think through intricacies when you’re busy bashing out your next knee-jerk, ill-considered, reactionary opinion for an impatient blogosphere!
Kodew Says:
June 10th, 2009 at 9:33 am
@Astrajingga

Three problems here, is there any statistic, research, backing this up? How many percent of those jilbabers more pious than those who doesn’t, how many percent can be accepted as ‘generally’.

I have not heard any yet, but as far as I remember during my childhood decades ago, jilbabers are a rarely thing to see, some ‘pious’ people could only ‘judge’ from some other things other tahn jilbab such as their frequent activities such as sholat in/out side of masjid, pengajian, amal jariah etc. But in the past 10-15 years approximately, I see some ‘trend’ or something (am not quite sure) in using jilbab. Even when I attended university years ago, not many female students wearing any, we can count on our fingers, among thousands.
Some people after went for Haji ussualy wear a ‘kerpus’ to cover their hair and put some transparent ‘kain kerudung’ (not a jilbab in any kind) – so I see this as really-Indonesianish muslim clothing. I also believe that Acehnese clothing was without cover/jilbab in their head and yet it is well known that Acehness are relatively more pious.
Onething I noticed that some of friends who wear jilbabs can be ‘panicking’ if one or two of their hairs are menyembul out of their jilbab, but care less to how jeans and tight clothing ‘printing’ their bottom and breasts

But it’s an interesting topic for some people to conduct a research or survey (if there are not any yet) on the terms you meantioned AJ

Maturnuwun