Jilbab hot, and not – Mufidah, Uga & Ani

May 28th, 2009, in IM Posts, by

Mufidah KallaMufidah Kalla & Uga Wiranto are hot stuff in the battle for Muslim votes, while Mrs Ani is urged to cover up.

Deputy secretary of the Justice Party (Partai Keadilan Sejahtera, PKS), Zulkieflimansyah, says that a portion of the Party's support base may flock to the pairing of Jusuf Kalla and retired General Wiranto (JK-Win) at the July 8th presidential election, because both men's wives dress simply and wear the jilbab, or Islamic headscarf. [1]

To be frank, in their hearts some PKS people find Jusuf Kalla-Wiranto more appealing because of their wives.

Mufidah Jusuf Kalla and Rugaya (Uga) Wiranto, and their husbands
Mufidah Jusuf Kalla and Rugaya (Uga) Wiranto, and their husbands.

Separately on the same issue Mahfud Sidik, the PKS parliamentary chairman, recommended that Ani Yudhoyono and Herawati Boediono don the jilbab, in order to increase the appeal of their husbands among Muslim voters, and in particular to solidify Party rank and file support for the pairing.

The appearance of JK and Wiranto's wife is really good. The PKS can only advise Mrs Ani and Boediono's wife to wear Muslim clothes.

Kristiani Yudhoyono and Herawati
Jilbabless, Kristiani Yudhoyono and Herawati Boediono.

He said the PKS had not decided whether to make a formal recommendation of this to president Yudhoyono and his running mate. [2]

Mahfud Sidik
Mahfud Sidik

Meanwhile, campaigning in Pekanbaru, Riau, Wiranto himself made use of the fact that his wife covered up modestly:

I'm sorry, but out of all the candidates only my wife and Pak Jusuf Kalla's wife wear Muslim dress.

This was not a new thing either he said, just for the campaign: [3]

They've worn Islamic dress for a long time.


Some actually jilbab hot.


101 Comments on “Jilbab hot, and not – Mufidah, Uga & Ani”

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  1. avatar Abdulgaffar says:
    May 28th, 2009 at 5:46 am

    On one hand, it is really good to see our leaders (and families) show some modesty.
    On the other hand, unfortunately, many Indonesians still judge the book by its cover. Hijaab does not make one or her husband more pious.

  2. avatar andrey says:
    May 28th, 2009 at 12:48 pm

    Pious means following the rule of Allah and His messenger.. so by definition, those who use hijab are pious, at least on the particular subject of following the rule of modesty. And those who do not use hijab are less pious, at least on this particular subject of following the rule on modesty. But, if you think further.. if one starts ignoring God’s rule.. then we can question his/her overall faith on God.

  3. avatar Ross says:
    May 28th, 2009 at 1:27 pm

    The jilbab is not a sign of modesty but a badge of subordination. Otherwise men would have to wear it too. The same goes for sharia inheritance law, polygamy(no polyandry) etc. These rules are primitive and a Reforamtion, like Europe’s 15th Century one. is just what we should hope for.

  4. avatar DumadiSatrio says:
    May 28th, 2009 at 1:41 pm

    I have a good compromise.

    they should wear Kebaya instead, then they can bother the PKS wives about not being indonesian enough

  5. avatar andrey says:
    May 28th, 2009 at 2:18 pm

    The fact that the majority of muslim women do not share Ross’ opinion speaks a lot.
    Even non jilbabed women will not agree with you man.. give up and go back to your hedonist country, stop trying to make us join your kind in that miserable future.

    The few that agree with you are just that.. few deranged individuals.

  6. avatar Oigal says:
    May 28th, 2009 at 2:50 pm

    at least on the particular subject of following the rule of modesty. And those who do not use hijab are less pious, at least on this particular subject of following the rule on modesty

    Even non jilbabed women will not agree with you man.

    SO what are they 2nd class?

    Simply amazing arrogant toss, who are you to decide who is more pious or modest? As for someone going back to their own country, perhaps thats where you should take these non traditional embellishments of ownership.

    .

  7. avatar Lairedion says:
    May 28th, 2009 at 2:58 pm

    These rules are primitive and a Reforamtion, like Europe’s 15th Century one. is just what we should hope for.

    Yup. we still see the results of this Reformation. Pockets of staunchly Calvinist societies demanding their women to wear skirts and dresses and forbidding them to engage in politics. Subordination I suppose. And lest but not least, refusing medical injections but rather let their children die on innocent diseases like having a cold. On Sunday everything’s closed and when you wash your car people will start gossip and look dirty to you. This is happening in the Netherlands in the 21st century.

    Ross, as an Ulster-Scot, have you ever been to the Outer Hebrides in Scotland? Great islands and scenery but pretty much a backward 18th century society with similar culture as I described above.

    Criticizing the Muzzies but turning a blind eye to fellow proddies living in the past, huh?

  8. avatar Lairedion says:
    May 28th, 2009 at 3:02 pm

    Andrey, go back to Saudi-Arabia.

  9. avatar Oigal says:
    May 28th, 2009 at 3:04 pm

    Personally could care less what peopel wear but when they starting speaking for this God person and other people ..then that’s exterme arrogance.

    L… Little difference amongst the fundies..just that generally speaking (not always) western fundies are more closely montiored for loonyness before they hurt people.

  10. avatar andrey says:
    May 28th, 2009 at 3:23 pm

    Oigal.. we are reasonable, civilized people here.. look: we speak english!! either we came from the so very advanced western anglo saxon civilization, or we have the luxury (in terms of financial, time, and intelectual capability) to study english.

    Use logical reasoning:
    My point was, being “pious” imply that you follow what your deity tells you to do.
    The rule on islamic modesty is right there in the Qur’an. If they do not follow the Qur’an, how can you call them “pious muslim”??
    Do you have other definition of the word “pious”??

  11. avatar Lairedion says:
    May 28th, 2009 at 3:46 pm

    O, loony enough to let their own children die because of tetanus…

  12. avatar Odinius says:
    May 28th, 2009 at 10:06 pm

    HIjabs, jilbabs etc can either be a sign of devotion/modesty OR they can be a symbol of subordination. It really depends on the context.

    If a woman, who is otherwise assertive, makes the decision to wear one in order to express her religious feeling, that’s one thing. If a woman is forced or coerced to wear one by law or social pressure, that’s another.

    Where the fundies–from all religions–get things wrong is their insistence that everyone do things exactly as they want it. But if wearing head-covering x or hat y is coerced rather than a personal choice, then it’s not much of a sign of devotion, is it? By taking the choice out, they render the act meaningless.

  13. avatar DumadiSatrio says:
    May 28th, 2009 at 10:44 pm

    @andrey: Where in the quran does it say not covering your hair is haram?

    I ask this completely out of curiosity

  14. avatar Odinius says:
    May 28th, 2009 at 10:50 pm

    @DumadiSatrio:

    Very good question, and the answer is…it doesn’t say that anywhere in the Quran.

    From some Hadith or another, and the practice was imported from Judaism. Ironically, covering the head is also nowhere in the Torah, but from ancillary Jewish teachings, the Mishnah!

  15. avatar diego says:
    May 28th, 2009 at 10:56 pm

    Eh, talking about saudi arabia, the saud family…. I just read this morning this story in the internet about the jewish root of that family :D If that can be proved, what’s that looney andrey is going to say? He he.

  16. avatar Andy says:
    May 29th, 2009 at 2:54 am

    I’ll vote for the candidate with the hot wife who turns up nude with a slab of beer on her shoulder.

  17. avatar zekky says:
    May 29th, 2009 at 3:55 am

    Jilbab is just a Jewish-Byzantine legacy. And the Indonesian obsession for all things Arab has brought it to Indo.

    No offence to women in jilbab, all my aunts and female cousins wear it too. I just think the whole “who’s more Muslim” business in Indo’s getting out of hand.

  18. avatar andrey says:
    May 29th, 2009 at 6:21 am

    @diego: we are not racist.. we have many people from different racial background between us. a jewish rooted person with real faith in Allah is much much better than a pure breed arabs without one. There are many jewish rooted famous muslims, just try googling around. you can start with “leopold weiss”.

    compare that to your balinese friends who are checking KTP of their fellow Indonesians who came to their little island and turn them around. Imagine that. Never mind that many balinese shamelessly go find a living on other islands, and nobody said a word about it. May be next time when a balinese policeman ask for my driving license, i will ask for his KTP.

    @zekki: bizantine or not, the point is not in the shape of the garment, that’s just fashion, but in its function to cover what should be covered. If you can cover it with a hat or a wig, it should be sufficient.

    @Dumadi satrio: as I said above, you will not find a name of a specific type of garment, but there are verses about what should be covered.

  19. avatar Oigal says:
    May 29th, 2009 at 7:43 am

    HIjabs, jilbabs etc can either be a sign of devotion/modesty OR they can be a symbol of subordination. It really depends on the context

    too true

    Audrey… nice try at diversion but lets stick to the point hey..

    Your statement that by wearing a piece of cloth makes you a better muslim than another in any fashion (let alone the rest of the population who don’t follow your particular 12 Century version of right and wrong) is pure arrogance.. Correct me if I am wrong but is it not said in your particular holy book that only God has the right to judge a person anyway and yet you have chosen to take that mantle on…big call..

    As for “Even non jilbabed women will not agree with you man” that statement infers their opinion is worth less than yours because they don’t wear a piece of cloth..if you cannot see that, then perhaps you should spend some more time studying english and less judging others.

    Who cares what people wear??? and why should they? Not like there is any one standard of religious dress anyway even within religions.

    Personally, I agree with Dumadi..It would be nice to see them wearing Indonesian traditional clothes instead of salvishly adopting the custumes of the maid beaters. Would be more in line with the notion of unity in diversity as well..

  20. avatar DumadiSatrio says:
    May 29th, 2009 at 2:06 pm

    @andrey:

    Then it should not be a problem for you to provide some.
    The fact is, there are not. So why you obsess about it?

    The custom itself that you refer to is pre islamic to begin with, as arabic women in mekka used to have their face covered, but not their breasts.

    There is one verse that talks about women should bring down their veil to cover their bussoms. The verse would be taken in the context of the fashion and style of the time and place it is refering.
    Bring down the hijab (that they were currently wearing) to cover their breasts.

    It says nothing about covering ones hair, and to say there is an actual command to do so is incorrect.

    That brings the point of, Since it is not haram to not wear hijab… Then it is halal.
    Does the quran not say that you should not make what is halal as haram?

    I could then as you do you wear a full niqab?
    If not, why not?

  21. avatar DumadiSatrio says:
    May 29th, 2009 at 2:14 pm

    Oigal ; It would be nice to see them wearing Indonesian traditional clothes

    The arab imperialists are all about making the people look down on their own rich culture, just as the bule imperialists did during the colonial times.

  22. avatar Oigal says:
    May 29th, 2009 at 2:52 pm

    Dumadi..Although a certain “snidery” to your comment .. More than a grain of truth in what you say.

    Although as an observer .. the slavish need to copy the maid beaters is bizarre..one would thing the world largest democratic “Muslim” country would be dictating the terms in modern South East Asia as opposed to 12 century deserts..

    But hey..only an observation..it doesn’t really worry me what people do or wear as long as they keep it to themsleves

  23. avatar Oigal says:
    May 29th, 2009 at 3:01 pm

    O, loony enough to let their own children die because of tetanus…

    Fruitcakes the lot of them,

    L, You’ll love this one, one of my staff rang me this morning her daughter (Muslim) is in hospital with typhus, just had some nutter “bule” wanting to pure some healing oil from the church on her eyes.

    Quick trip to the hospital, to sent that loon packing!!..I guess I am going to the christian hell as well now..Muslim and Christian fundies all the same pray on people at their weakest.

    BTW..100% True story..was bit stunned it was white woman tho..

  24. avatar Observato says:
    May 29th, 2009 at 3:09 pm

    The arab imperialists are all about making the people look down on their own rich culture, just as the bule imperialists did during the colonial times.

    Well dumadi since either SBY, JK or Wiranto spend most the time using western style clothes instead of sarung, blangkon, keris etc., I guess according to your view they are all victims of current or past bule imperialism.

  25. avatar Janma says:
    May 29th, 2009 at 3:17 pm

    May be next time when a balinese policeman ask for my driving license, i will ask for his KTP.

    Yeah…. do that audrey…. and then? What will you do about his KTP?

  26. avatar Observato says:
    May 29th, 2009 at 3:32 pm

    Quick trip to the hospital, to sent that loon packing!!..I guess I am going to the christian hell as well now..Muslim and Christian fundies all the same pray on people at their weakest.

    Such practice may happen on a christian hospital, but I doubt it would be on a muslim hospital. If there was any, please mention. Muslim gak terlalu kejar setoran lah. Muslim as per original teachings do not put emphasize or rely on miracles but may believe on traditional (arabic) medicine such as honey, habatussauda, bekam etc. There is a muslim child with a miraculous healing stone named Ponari, but he is surely not a missionary.

  27. avatar Oigal says:
    May 29th, 2009 at 3:44 pm

    Secular Hospital.. I think just another do-gooder out saving souls..

    Frankly, i was surprised as you are as that kind of thing can get you into real trouble in this country. Perhaps a newbie in-country coming to save us all..

    (I still haven’t forgiven them for convincing the Bali girls to cover up)

    As for traditional healing…its alwasy challenge when the auditors go through our books and health expenses :-)

  28. avatar Brother Mouzone says:
    May 29th, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    @Ross

    The jilbab is not a sign of modesty but a badge of subordination. Otherwise men would have to wear it too.

    Are you kidding? The fellas have to wear those daft Tommy-Cooper-style fez’s – far more degrading if you ask me.

  29. avatar DumadiSatrio says:
    May 29th, 2009 at 4:55 pm

    Observato, yep in a sense that is absolutely true
    but maybe I am being a bit snide, so I’ll mostly put it this way…..

    With the “hijab argument” the tone is deeper than just fashion
    His wife’s actual character is attacked based on the fact that she doesnt adopt a arabian dress code….

  30. avatar andrey says:
    May 29th, 2009 at 6:00 pm

    DumadiSatrio:
    So western dress code is OK, but “arabian” dress code is not?

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