Agnes Monica & Allah Peduli

Mar 16th, 2009, in Girls, News & Issues, by Patung

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ET Says:
March 18th, 2009 at 11:49 am
andrey said

This is actually a well known missionary strategy of indigenization, where they try to present their religion in a more localized way to try to reduce the barrier for crossing over.

O yes. And this would destroy the cherished muslim attitude of

Us and Them

, without which islam would lose its backbone.
Rob Says:
March 18th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
@Andrey…

Maybe it is a most used line for a reason, like for example it rings true? Then again, I am not Malaysian, so perhaps there is nothing more important than this for them.

Intelligence, I do not think I was claiming it to be an intelligent line. But, feel free to insinuate that I lack intelligence.

I know that I have more important things to do…see ya!
hary Says:
March 18th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
Any one seen the actual lyrics? Interesting to see the context in which the A word was used.
Patung Says:
March 18th, 2009 at 9:39 pm
Here:

Banyak perkara yang tak dapat kumengerti
Mengapakah harus terjadi di dalam kehidupan ini
Satu perkara yang kusimpan di dalam hati
Tiada sesuatupun kan terjadi tanpa Allah peduli

Chorus:
Allah mengerti, Allah peduli
Segala persoalan yang kita hadapi
Tak akan pernah dibiarkanNya
Ku bergumul sendiri sbab Allah mengerti
Lairedion Says:
March 19th, 2009 at 2:23 am
andrey said:

This is actually a well known missionary strategy of indigenization, where they try to present their religion in a more localized way to try to reduce the barrier for crossing over.

Why are you guys so afraid? You do have appropriate punishments for people crossing over, don’t you?
andrew Says:
March 19th, 2009 at 4:53 am
andrey said:

We never hear any Christians from a non Muslim majority country call their god “Allah”.. why? because in those places they have no agenda to make their christian messages more palatable to the muslim masses.

WHY? I’ll tell you why: because you never went to a Christian school. I did, and we called the Lord “Allah” as well. What gives you the exclusive right to claim the use of the word “Allah”?
Oigal Says:
March 19th, 2009 at 10:28 am
the only reason malay/indonesian christian want to use Allah for the word God is to misguide muslims.

Got some bad news for you guys..Christians and others have been using the word Allah for hundreds of years even before Islam came into being..perhaps they should claim copyright!
Itek Says:
March 19th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
I thought that God, Tuhan, Allah in the Abrahamic faiths was all the same omnipotent and omnipresent entity. I guess I was wrong, and thanks for pointing out that this is all some huge Christian missionary conspiracy to confuse Muslims.

To say that the Gods are different is to contradict the most basic believe that Christians and Muslims have, that there is only one God. Let me illustrate in earthly terms.

There is a room with no doors and windows and there are two us outside the room. I said to the other there is only one calculator in the room and the other said to me there is only one calculator in the room. If I say that his calculator is different from mine then I imply there are 2 calculators. This will contradict my first statement. if we both believe there is only one calculator then we have nothing to disagree about. Any disagreement meant we don’t even understand our basic believe.

may Allah, our God enlighten us all.
andrey Says:
March 19th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
Oigal

Got some bad news for you guys..Christians and others have been using the word Allah for hundreds of years even before Islam came into being..perhaps they shoudl claim copyright!

which christians?? Arab christians.
Outside Arabia, Allah==Islam. Like I said, give me an example where christian from a non muslim majority country use the word Allah to call their god. None. They only use it in muslim majority countries because they have an agenda.
ET Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 11:22 am
@ Itek

There is a room with no doors and windows and there are two us outside the room. I said to the other there is only one calculator in the room and the other said to me there is only one calculator in the room. If I say that his calculator is different from mine then I imply there are 2 calculators. This will contradict my first statement. if we both believe there is only one calculator then we have nothing to disagree about. Any disagreement meant we don’t even understand our basic believe.

Now try this. Replace your calculator with 1 Nokia and 3 different SIM-cards, each card for a different purpose. How many Nokia’s are the in the room?

May Allah help you think outside the box.
Burung Koel Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 11:36 am
ET’s onto something.

If you believe that the calculator or hand phone exists in the first place, then different religions/sects are merely arguing over the different features. But if it’s in the locked room, how do you know it actually has those characteristics?

Reminds me of this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_Pink_Unicorn
Mr Tic Tac Toe Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 11:46 am
This is actually the case when the blefuscudians requested the liliputians not to call eggs… eggs, because the liliputians cracked the eggs the wrong way.
Oigal Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
Replace your calculator with 1 Nokia and 3 different SIM-cards, each card for a different purpose. How many Nokia’s are the in the room?

May Allah help you think outside the box.

Simply outstanding..you have just simplified all the worlds religious issues into two sentances..seriously good stuff!

Audrey, Audrey, Audrey.. You poor soul, no matter what they may tell you during the indoctrination one human does not have the right (he may have temporary power but thats another issue) to tell another human what he can or cannot believe or say and that includes using the word Allah or anyone of the the other 98 names.

If Allah or BK’s Pink Unicorn is not happy with that, then I am fairly sure a superdude who builds planets for a bobby doesn’t need a dodgy government that is incapable of finding out who killed the super-model taking action on his/her behalf.
hary Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
Listening to someone else’s religious views should be put in the same category as when a man claims his wife is beautiful and his children clever…
Burung Koel Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
“Everyone thinks they have the most beautiful wife at home” – Arsene Wenger
Lairedion Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 5:45 am
ET said:

Now try this. Replace your calculator with 1 Nokia and 3 different SIM-cards, each card for a different purpose. How many Nokia’s are the in the room?

The SIM-cards are Brahma, the Creator, Vishnu the Maintainer and Shiva the Destroyer and all three are manifestations of Nokia Brahman, the eternal, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent Absolute Reality.

Now try this. Is there a calculator in the room or not? And if there is one what would you do with such irrelevant knowledge since our problems will continue to exist anyway? (It’s not that difficult, guys).

Or this one? The calculator in this room is not the eternal Calculator.

I already made up my mind. Agama dan metafysica boleh tapi asalnya jangan terlalu dalem dan jangan berlebihi. Bisa rusakin, dech…

andrey said:

Like I said, give me an example where christian from a non muslim majority country use the word Allah to call their god. None. They only use it in muslim majority countries because they have an agenda.

Malta.
ET Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 4:10 pm
The SIM-cards are Brahma, the Creator, Vishnu the Maintainer and Shiva the Destroyer and all three are manifestations of Nokia Brahman, the eternal, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent Absolute Reality.

Caught with my pants down. Dammit.
ET Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 4:17 pm
Come to think of it. It could also be the Father, the Son and the Holy Gost.
Amazing.
andrey Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 5:25 pm
silly arguments about sim cards.
only the newest one of those 3 sim cards will be working, because the other two is already expired.
Lairedion Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 5:51 pm
You’re so right andrey.

This argument about SIM-cards is silly. Perhaps now you realize (I think not) how even sillier the arguments from the Malaysian authorities and god-freaks in general are.

Btw, there is an alternative meaning of the word Allah from the Supreme Alphabet of the Nation of Gods and Earths.

(A)—Allah: The Asiatic Blackman [sic]. “Asia” is the body; “attic” is the mind; “black” is the dominant force; “man” is the higher intelligence; a backronym for Arm, Leg, Leg, Arm, Head; the Father of the Universe; all in all.

Assuming modern humans originate from East Africa (the (Recent) Out-of-Africa model, currently the near mainstream position held within the scientific community) the Five Percenters could be rather close to the Truth.

Or is this also silly?
ET Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 7:28 pm
andrey

silly arguments about sim cards.
only the newest one of those 3 sim cards will be working, because the other two is already expired.

I was sure you would take the bait. What took you so long?

What you didn’t know was that the newest one is only a fraud, a dummy that connects to nothing than a pre-recorded answering machine.
Aluang Anak Bayang Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 7:37 pm
Funny no one comes up with an answer.

“Is liomsa an t-eolas agus is ortsa é a fháil”

We, the Javanese, are the one to put the calculator inside the room in the first place because we have something better than a calculator. We held the batteries and adaptors and will not reveal where we put them. So all talks about functionalities are hot air without power supply.

Keep on imagine!
Lairedion Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 7:54 pm
Mas AAB said:

Funny no one comes up with an answer.

Oh but I did:

The calculator in this room is not the eternal Calculator.
timdog Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 8:05 pm
In Iran, and in some parts of Pakistan and northwest China, and, I am told, in much of Afghanistan, people rarely refer to “god” as “al-Lah” (who was originally, after all, merely the biggest, most important deity of the broad pre-Islam pantheon of central Arabia).
Instead, they usually say “Khoda” (which I assume comes from the same Indo-European root as “God”, by the way).
Are the Iranians, Afghans, Pakistanis and Uighers therefore not Muslims? And doesn’t God have 99 names anyway?

This idea of ownership of a word, which was in use before Islam existed, which simply means “the God”, which is used by all Arabs – Muslim or otherwise (what else would they call it?), is patently absurd. It also demonstrates a ridiculous paranoia, and a profound lack of self-confidence.
For one, I have always been given to understand that Christians and Muslims, whatever their theological disagreements, are at least worshipping the same God/Khoda/al-Lah (a point that, until recently at least, most Muslims were more clued-up about than most Christians), so if they use the same name WTF’s the frickin’ problem???
For two, paranoia makes you look ridiculous.
For three, apparently investing some kind of absurd ownership and intense religious significance in a word, a little cluster of letters, be they rendered right-to-left or left-to-right, strikes me as straying dangerously close to IDOLOTARY, which, as I understand it, is very naughty indeed…
Are you worshipping a word? Are you directing your worship towards five little letters?
Forgive me once more if I am mistaken, but aren’t you supposed actually to be worshipping a mighty, all powerful, inconcievable, unknowable force instead???
Suryo Perkoso Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 8:09 pm
Lairedion Says:

March 22nd, 2009 at 7:54 pm
Mas AAB said:

Funny no one comes up with an answer.

Oh but I did:

The calculator in this room is not the eternal Calculator.

The calculator inside the room has both lithium button cell backup and a little solar panel so the charger is therefore redundant. And if there is no light inside the room the we cannot read the display in anycase
diego Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:01 pm
While our subject is related somehow to syncretism — which can pollute the holy-religion islam — allow me to inform andrey that in Melaya, Jembrana people are still doing this. Quick, send your dakwah-ers, PK politicans, and paramilitar (FPI, and the likes) to stop them from further eroding the faith of muslims living in Melaya, Jembrana, Bali. Here’s the proof:

http://www.beritabali.com/index.php?reg=&kat=&s=news&id=200902220002

And why are those muslims referring to their god “Tuhan”, instead of Allah? That is so unislamic.
diego Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:38 pm
Oh andrey, we’re living in a dangerous world full of syncretistors (?).

Horror….

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Din-i-Ilahi

Quick, inform your master in Saudi Arabia to send their resource to india to root out this (unislamic) heritage from the society. So the world can finally anjoy the pure holy-islam, with (sophisticated) form of art like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzqM5RV_vh8
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF_UUYIvGsY

Masha allah.
diego Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:06 pm
andrey,

This is so dangerous for the “iman” of the muslims. Shrik! Bida’ah!

http://nugrohoangkasa.multiply.com/journal/item/158/Membangkitkan_Kembali_Ruh_Mpu_Tantular

Maybe you want to inform your PKS comrades in the parliament to pass a bill that bans this kind of publications?
DumadiSatrio Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:36 pm
@Lairedion:

I cant believe you found the Five %ers thing. hehe, I remember meeting some of them many years ago, his name was Allah Earth Muhammed the King Jr(?).

@Andrey, Have you ever considered that it is a Reverse Conspieracy!
Where the Arabi Muslims are trying to get the christians to use the word Allah. Haha, very clever.

Oh Tuhan.
DumadiSatrio Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:47 pm
But seriously, In a country that is majority muslim, certain muslim expressions, norms, and what not are going to influence the over all culture, That would explain that.