Women Police Officers’ Uniforms

Mar 5th, 2009, in IM Posts, by

PolwanBright ideas are coming thick and fast from the East Java police chief, this time headscarves for policewomen.

After suggesting that police officers improve their image and strengthen their faith by performing prayers while on the job Brigadier General Anton Bachrul Alam only a few days later has asked that Muslim police women don the jilbab/hijab, or headscarf, while on duty.

This is to invite them to walk the straight path. By wearing the jilbab it means concealing their womanliness [aurat].


It's all happening in the BrigGen's mind right now.

However our hero added

It's a suggestion, not an order.

It was a suggestion that the police district of Bojonegoro had already put into practise, he said, and detik

I'm sure that police women will wear the jilbab. It would be good for them.

Reactions soon came from Muhammadiyah, Majelis Ulama Indonesia (MUI), and the Prosperous Justice Party (Partai Keadilan Sejahtera (PKS)). Spokesman of all three organisations praised the police chief's good intentions, but warned against the use of any force, saying that the decision for a woman to conceal her head hair must come from the heart. detik detik


168 Comments on “Women Police Officers’ Uniforms”

  1. avatar schmerly says:

    It’s a suggestion, not an order.

    No it’s not an order it’s called, coercion.

  2. avatar lucid says:

    Unfortunately I’m a man, I think I can not speak to represent what Indonesian policewomen feel in their heart. Are they feel better or worse..
    Is headscarves an obligatory or woman right for them?
    It is my fortunate to find their opinion here..

  3. avatar Ross says:

    If your boss makes a ‘suggestion,’ then a lot of employees, may indeed see it as wise to swallow it, however rancid it may be.
    And it is surely rotten sectarianism for this puffed-up top cop to introduce his own bigoted religious views into the work-place.

    Thousands of Muslim women walk round Jakarta every day, sans the scarf of subjugation.
    Does this goon think they are thus bad people, or indeed bad Muslims?

  4. avatar Burung Koel says:

    Of course teachers wearing jilbabs are all much better behaved…

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/indecent-teacher-immature-not-predatory-20090305-8p3e.html

  5. avatar Mbak Sri says:

    hmm… dunno whether they realize that its better to have people to want to do what the religion say as oppose to have to do what it says.
    religious teaching should not be forced onto people no matter how subtle u wanna put it. Besides what business does a police officer on religious matter anyway. Focus on catching the bad guy, for pete’s sake!

  6. avatar lucid says:

    @ burung koel
    I am really interesting to your previous fallacy theory. and I believe you would not use that suit example “are all much better behaved” as base rate fallacy, do you?

    I never judge the book from the cover. Then why should I judge whether walk women are bad people or bad Muslims, since I’ve honored as goon?

  7. avatar Crick says:

    They will have many more duties to perform in addition to what they are doing regularly. So we need to make good stress to learn about new things and we can implement easily. Thanks for sharing.

  8. avatar Burung Koel says:

    and I believe you would not use that suit example “are all much better behaved” as base rate fallacy, do you?

    Follow the link, and you’ll see I was using sarcasm. The lowest form of wit, I know.

  9. avatar enigmatic says:

    Islamification at its best.

  10. avatar andrey says:

    >Follow the link, and you’ll see I was using sarcasm. The lowest form of wit, I know.

    Actually, a lower form of wit would be to use 1 (ONE) single bad example to tar the whole group of a few hundred million people.

    Of course there will be bad people who is using jilbab, as there must be some good people who do not use jilbab… but we can safely assume that the great majority of people with jilbab have a better probability of acting islamically correct than the great majority of people without jilbab.

    I can imagine your eureka moment when you find that kind of link hahaha. most likely you are keeping a collection of such link

  11. avatar Rob says:

    pre-cursor to a regional regulation?

  12. avatar enigmatic says:

    Rob Says:

    March 6th, 2009 at 12:06 am
    pre-cursor to a regional regulation?

    I hope not. First uniforms, what’s next?

  13. avatar Burung Koel says:

    @ andrey

    Actually, a lower form of wit would be to use 1 (ONE) single bad example to tar the whole group of a few hundred million people.

    My “sarcasm” was not directed at hundreds of millions of Muslims, but at the hypocrisy of a particular police chief who believes that by misusing aspects of a religion he can change his officers’ public image.

    Your concern should be directed at him, not trying to find another way of seeing everything as victimisation.

  14. avatar Sylvester says:

    Next, maybe….
    Polygamy in the police force
    More sweeping in hotels
    KUHP is replaced by syariah
    Detachment 88 is disbanded

    …..you named it

  15. avatar diego says:

    My “sarcasm” was not directed at hundreds of millions of Muslims, but at the hypocrisy of a particular police chief who believes that by misusing aspects of a religion he can change his officers’ public image.

    Do you really think that police chief is concerned about his officers’ public image? It’s just another step toward realization of their arabization plan.

  16. avatar Burung Koel says:

    Do you really think that police chief is concerned about his officers’ public image?

    It used to be that patriotism was the last refuge of a scoundrel (Samuel Johnson). However religion can also be used for effect:

    Was that really a bribe I just paid? It couldn’t be, because she’s wearing a jilbab, so it must be some kind of official zakat. How can you say our police chief is corrupt? He makes his officers pray every day and the polwan have to wear a jilbab.

    See my first comment right at the top.

  17. avatar Burung Koel says:

    See my first comment right at the top.

    Er, that should be the first comment on the Police Officers and Positive Image Building thread. But it bears repeating:

    “When your neighbour quotes the Bible, count your sheep”.

  18. avatar diego says:

    Was that really a bribe I just paid? It couldn’t be, because she’s wearing a jilbab, so it must be some kind of official zakat. How can you say our police chief is corrupt? He makes his officers pray every day and the polwan have to wear a jilbab.

    Seriously, who will follow that logic??? Do you think indonesian peasants are __that__ gullible?

  19. avatar diego says:

    So, I stand to what I thought: it has nothing to do with performance / public image. They’ve infiltrated into the police force, those syariahists.

  20. avatar Burung Koel says:

    Do you think indonesian peasants are __that__ gullible?

    No, but the important thing is that the police chief thinks so. Or it’s used as a distraction, like a stage magician using an attractive accomplice. Then you don’t watch what his hands are doing.

  21. avatar Sonny says:

    What a shame!! Indonesia not a Moslem country though. What are they thinking!!! How if some of them is not a Moslem? Will they keep force to do it?

  22. avatar hariyangindah says:

    Well, if the arabization program is successful, there will be no police woman at all because all women have to be home under the veils. The only hope lies on the police women themselves whether they choose to be foolish by taking the arab outfit or to stay intelligent by refusing such a very foolish suggestion. Of course, we cannot expect too much, because many Muslim women have been internally made foolish by their religion. The more they are strict in following the religion, the more foolish they are. That is the axiom.

  23. avatar DXP says:

    DXP is anxious on why Indonesian protest against head scarf practices for woman in Indonesia ? I thought you guys 95% are muslim society ? isn’t good & inline with your veryown faith ?
    DXP dream the same thing applies in CHINA where all the policeman wearing monk uniform without pistols and therefore we are in peace of life … AMITABHA … we can not do that because our politician have the socialist communist mentality

  24. avatar diego says:

    DXP, the crapstream you just vomitted is as disgusting as the stinky tofu you eat everyday.

    I guess that’s what you get when you have your access to information severely limited by the great firewall of china. I guess you couldn’t event look up wikipedia.

    It’s not 95%, much less.

    Now, spend some time to find free proxies, maybe you’ll be able to read wikipedia at least.

    Hey, why do you rear your ugly head again? And what does your indo-chinese friend of yours in Beijing tell you this time? Another lie?

  25. avatar lucid says:

    I don’t smell any stinky tofu here. And I don’t believe such a honest and simple mind as DXP said is disgusting, circumstance has big contribution to build mind. what’s wrong?
    My father said: your mouth will be stinky when you eat stinky food. I’d rather believe now :)

  26. avatar dhea says:

    I’m confused since when Indonesia become Islamic country although I do understand that Indonesia is the larger muslim country in the world but We have Pancasila that describes Katholic, Christian, Hindu and Budha also religious were accepted to practice their believe in Indonesia. We’ve been religious tolerance even since this country was form why in the heck now seem “They” want to little by little forcing their believe in the govern system.

  27. avatar schmerly says:

    dhea…

    form why in the heck now seem “They” want to little by little forcing their believe in the govern system.

    Because that’s what intolerant bigots do, they think theirs is the only religion, and are not prepared to accept others, so there is no religious tolerance.

  28. avatar amirol2009 says:

    As salam alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu.
    Wearing hijab for all muslimah is required in Islam and so in christian

  29. avatar Suryo Perkoso says:

    Get out of it Schmerly – our PolWedhok dahn east java won’t be coerced into anything – believe me, I’ve tried.

    Couple of real tasty ones (akeh sing ayu) who work out of PolSek Blimbing, but they just won’t arrest me –

    As I have said in another place, to someone else, you really need to get out more, I assume that you are a resident of Jakarta and have a secure position, maid and driver etc?
    I promise you that down our way, the masyarakat are extremely tolerant and accomodating towards the religious and social beliefs of others, if not, we kick their teeth in.

    Actually, there is more trouble with errant bules, particularly those who have had it all taken out and a gas cooker put in.

    I think the background is that too many of our PolWan are worth one, and the chief is anxious to keep them all to himself .

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