249 Comments on “Ponari & His Magic Healing Stone”
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Oigal Says:
April 4th, 2009 at 2:04 pmTTT,
For the reasons I have just posted, I shall not continue with this with you. A shame really as strangely I have just as many reasons (and possibly more than yourself) to see this nation succeed.
My interest in how so many people in this country manage to take a certain set of facts and yet arrive at a WTF decision is genuine. You speak of master bating.. it certainly happens but I suggest (as I have many times already) take a walk down your nearest street and see who is doing the master bating whilst the people of Indonesia suffer.
Even you should be able to see its not the 1% of foreigners (?) with happen to upset your little world of revisionist and dubious history. Whilst the staus quo may feed your illusion that your are only a nation of 10 years (?) and is all some one elses responsibility to clena up the mess. Reality is the nation does not have the same time luxury that western nations had to develop.. Personally I don’t think Indonesia has another 20-30 years to get it right.
see ya
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Mr Tic Tac Toe Says:
April 4th, 2009 at 2:46 pmTn. Oigal, Yth:
For the reasons I have just posted, I shall not continue with this with you. A shame really as strangely I have just as many reasons (and possibly more than yourself) to see this nation succeed.
Neah… not because of those reasons.
You have shown that you actually have no data. Just plain “Njeplak” and “Ngenyek”, and then hiding behind the term “Australian Intellectuals”.
it certainly happens but I suggest (as I have many times already) take a walk down your nearest street and see who is doing the master bating whilst the people of Indonesia suffer.
Again, dont assume that i havent. And dont assume that i havent done anything about it.
The fact is I was homeless in my teenage and slept on the street for a year, back then in the first years of crisis 10 years ago.Dont just assume things that you dont really know.
Even you should be able to see its not the 1% of foreigners (?) with happen to upset your little world of revisionist and dubious history
Maybe youre right, maybe youre wrong. But mere asserting that you are right, doesnt mean that its true. Show me your data, or as i said to some other debater:
Please, prove me wrong.UNLIKE YOU, Im willing to admit that im wrong if you give me confirmable comparative data on debts (vietnam? japan? philipines? what other country did you say?).
By proving me wrong, at least we can go back to that genetic discussion you have been avoiding by throwing more fishes.
is all some one elses responsibility to clena up the mess.
Look whos misquoting now.
Reality is the nation does not have the same time luxury that western nations had to develop.. Personally I don’t think Indonesia has another 20-30 years to get it right.
For the first time i agree to certain degree to some of your opinions.
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Oigal Says:
April 5th, 2009 at 9:52 am“Australian Intellectuals”.
I used that term??? Laugh.. your xenophobia is showing again..you really are your own worst enemy in a debate!
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April 5th, 2009 at 11:01 amOkay, i was wrong about the term.
You only use “something” australian-ish:
http://www.indonesiamatters.com/4283/bromo-tengger/cp-8/#comment-141033 -
Barry Prima Says:
May 11th, 2010 at 5:04 amhttp://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jTToZb5_sZ3l5zoP7h4799CkAzIQ
does this dude qualify for the million squid someone mentioned at the begining of this post??
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Oigal Says:
May 11th, 2010 at 10:31 amdoes this dude qualify for the million squid someone mentioned at the begining of this post??
Laugh .. The day he can do it under proper controlled and verifiable lab conditions yup..in the meantime would you like some references and new reports of snake charmers, rope climbers and mystics?
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May 11th, 2010 at 3:23 pmso what exactly do you mean by proper controlled and verifiable??
“Prahlad Jani spent a fortnight in a hospital in the western India state of Gujarat under constant surveillance from a team of 30 medics equipped with cameras and closed circuit television.”
A team of Scientist/Neurologist who observed him round the clock is not controlled and verifiable enough for you???
Laugh .. The day he can do it under proper controlled and verifiable lab conditions yup..in the meantime would you like some references and new reports of snake charmers, rope climbers and mystics?
hollow laughter….hoo haaah….
“When the lowest type of men hear Tao, They laugh heartily at it. If they did not laugh at it, it would not be Tao”.
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Oigal Says:
May 12th, 2010 at 9:57 am“Prahlad Jani spent a fortnight in a hospital in the western India state of Gujarat under constant surveillance from a team of 30 medics equipped with cameras and closed circuit television.”
Laugh, yup thats the place I would choose for a test…
. Let’s face it, no one would think for minute India has an issue with supposed mystics and other frauds..You are aware of course of the endless examples of filmed rope climbing also verified within India?
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Oigal Says:
May 12th, 2010 at 10:34 amIn the name of disclosure and honesty don’t think it would be worth mentioning that Gujarat is a state famous for its mystics. In fact Gujarat relies upon them for tourism $$$ bit like the haunted houses of England (its true, i really saw it).
You also failed to mention ol Jani has been pulling this little scam since at least 2003
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/south/11/26/offbeat.india.fast/
You might have also wish to mention this from the Indian Rationalists Society..
I asked to be allowed to send an independent team to survey the room where this test is taking place, but I was repeatedly turned down. It is ridiculous to ask people to believe that any man can go 15 days, let alone 70 years, without food or water.
Dr. Shah has been in charge of three similar investigations over the past ten years, and he has never allowed independent verification. In 2000, he was asking for funds to investigate a man he claimed got his energy from the sun, just like plants do. In 2003, he even approached NASA for funds to investigate Mr. Jani, claiming astronauts might benefit from the research. This particular hospital, led by this particular doctor, keeps on making these claims without ever producing evidence or publishing research.
Another reason for being suspicious of Dr. Shah is that he is not presenting his evidence (including his alleged round-the-clock film surveillance of Jani) to a scientific journal or committee.
How are we going so far?
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