Ponari & His Magic Healing Stone

Feb 26th, 2009, in IM Posts, by Lairedion

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Mr Tic Tac Toe Says:
March 24th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
Tn. Oigal, Yth. :

MR TTC is I believe the real deal and interesting in he spouts the usual deal of the anti-reformists “its all someone elses fault”

No, tuan. You get me wrong.
Most of them are our fault indeed. No doubt about that matter in my heart.

But if you start saying its genetical fault (as you have done before). I will go nuts.

Its the same as saying that it is our FATE to become like this. Its like saying that we are hopeless people.

And if by refusing to take that genetical argument, you labeled me as xenophobic… Then i proudly accept your label.
Suryo Perkoso Says:
March 24th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
they can eat my bogem mentah

Tolong mas – ojo mengadu ayam. See your point though.
Oigal Says:
March 24th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
So, if certain somebody said that we are mismanaged the country,

Nope doing a great job keep up the good work…nothing like a blackhawk helicopter for a regional governor whilst schools collapse due to poor maintenance or the purchase of submarines whilst an effective patrol boat fleet to protect Indonesia fish stocks remains a pipe dream..Its all about getting priorities in order really isn’t it.

Of course the “we” is somewhat presumptious as more and more people are rejecting this line of santimonous claptrap and demanding accountablity making the elite more and more uncomfortable and strident as they pretend and fail to be one with people
Suryo Perkoso Says:
March 24th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
@ Oigal – not so different in the west, patients denied treatment while illegal immigrants get legal aid.

You would be better of smuggling yourself into the UK and raping someone than you would being british and paying your taxes if you wanted medical treatment.

As you say, it’s all about priorities and accountability.
Oigal Says:
March 24th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
Mr TTC,

You misquote me yet again, as I have said twice now. I was asking the question and perhaps in clumsy manner I will acknowledge, never the less it was a question to provoke a response not a statement of fact (seriously tho I would be interested in a rational answer)

Why is it taking so long and/or why is Indonesia (ns) not taking the lead more in world affairs be it in religion or anything else.

I did indeed ask “if it was cultural or genitic but (and here is the key) never stated it was fact..It is a question not a statement..

Personally (and again happy to be corrected) I believe it has lot to do the fact that Indonesia suffers from (did suffer from?) significant brain drain. In that the very best of Indonesian’s future leaders and teachers found it very hard to get ahead without patronage and ethically challenged donations therefore move away to make their lives elsewhere unfortunately this lead to a vacumn that was quickly filled by the inept and uncaring..

But I am probably wrong and happy to hear your side if we can pass on the it all a colonial polt which fails on so many levels after 60 years.
Oigal Says:
March 24th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
Suryo,

Interesting and to large degree true but also falls into the trap of comparing nation to nation which is silly as I can see your example and you raise you two (as you could to mine).

My point’s clumsy as it they may be:

1. It’s pointless to keep raging at the foreigners for the current postion Indonesia finds herself (which with just a little bit of consideration for the little people would not be that bad)

2. I really do not understand the reluctance of Indonesia to take the lead in areas were by population and position she should be directing the traffic not waiting at the lights for someone to say she may proceed
Suryo Perkoso Says:
March 24th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
1. Yes, it’s done and dusted, there is nothing to be gained by looking back (in saying that though I bet india wishes it could turn back the clock)

2. Ah yes, “keloyoan Indonesian (I just made “keloyoan” up, but it fits the bill) – is that rakyat Indo are just to polite for their own good, and sit waiting for the resy of the world to pass the biscuits around, and when the plate arrives, there is only those horrible cardboardy things left that no one wants?
Suryo Perkoso Says:
March 24th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
Actually “keluyuran” fits the bill even better.
Mike Oxblack Says:
March 24th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
You read that crap, and think the great Ponari debate is pissing time up the wall? You’ll find you can take a screenshot and it won’t change one week to the next. The only thing that changes is the number of wives that the proprietor has.
You don’t live with 5 teachers one house do you?

4 wives and 4 teacher’s. I’ve said too much Suryo me old china plate. My cover’s blown.

BP is fun tho to waste a few hours, MR TTC is I believe the real deal and interesting in he spouts the usual deal of the anti-reformists “its all someone elses fault” despite the fact any number of nations have moved on successfully.

It is curious but I am coming to the belief that the knife edge of denial that so many well educated Indonesians sit upon will come to grief soon and where daddy got his money for my education will need to be faced.

Yes the dad’s money factor is usually hidden behind knee jerk nationalism. Doesn’t really deal with the world of trans-capitalism that we live in i.e. the West propping up small domestic elites so that they can plunder countries. I am a Tony Benn style loon though politically. I used to ask my students (when I was a teacher Suryo) what their dads did for a living. They often didn’t really know…which speaks volumes I think. “He’s a businessman” they’d say “What business?” …erm

So, if certain somebody said that we are mismanaged the country, or even genetically incapable, they can eat my bogem mentah.

mismanaged – YES
genetically incapable – ABSOLUTELY NO. I’ll have none of that evolutionary bell curve bollocks here. environment is everything. Fish have two eyes. The heritability of 2 eyes is pretty much 100%. Stick your fish in potassium permanganate solution and in a couple of generations you’ll have fish with only one eye. Environment is everything. The education system here is pure potassium permanganate. Jesus I’m really spouting pish today…time to do some work.
Suryo Perkoso Says:
March 24th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
4 wives and 4 teacher’s. I’ve said too much Suryo me old china plate. My cover’s blown.

Nah, your secret is safe with me. I thought the latest one was “masih dalam prosesnya”.
Suryo Perkoso Says:
March 24th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
When we were naughty young journos we were forever writing pieces and signing ourselves Hugh Jampton and Mike Oxblack.

Ye little bugger ye.
Mike Oxblack Says:
March 24th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
Hugh Jampton’s a jolly nice name. Only 3 teachers in the house now I’ve jumped off the saucepan fiddler gravy train.

Sincerely yours
are haitch
Mr Tic Tac Toe Says:
March 24th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
Uff, i wish i have enough time and energy to reply all…. perhaps later.

It is curious but I am coming to the belief that the knife edge of denial that so many well educated Indonesians sit upon will come to grief soon and where daddy got his money for my education will need to be faced.

Yes the dad’s money factor is usually hidden behind knee jerk nationalism.

Well, if those were directed to me, you got me all wrong. Im just a highschool graduate, no college degree. No dad’s money factor.
Suryo Perkoso Says:
March 24th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
Mike Oxblack Says:

March 24th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
Hugh Jampton’s a jolly nice name. Only 3 teachers in the house now I’ve jumped off the saucepan fiddler gravy train.

Out of interest, how is the gravy train, has it cleared up yet?
Nice glass of Jatim cider should sort it out if not.
Oigal Says:
March 24th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
Mr TTC,

Not specifically not at you, perhaps tho may I suggest that the straight to the entrenched position tends to stifle debate on what could be perfectly reasonable discussion points. Don’t assume always assume that worst agenda for every counter point raised, personally I am probably wrong more often than I am right but rarely out of malice (ok..sometimes but not with those who disagree in a logical fashion).
Mike Oxblack Says:
March 24th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
I think that’d rather exacerbate the old mulligatawny guts but I seem to be better after now after getting almost better then getting much worse again thanks. Those Norit tablets are a complete waste of time I’ve concluded. Has to be 500mg Antibiotic Mick Mills. Cider with Rosie though? Bring it on . Cider with Rani…even better.
Suryo Perkoso Says:
March 24th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
Creeping mango disease that was without a doubt. I carried out a survey in Kudus some 12 years back. I though the hook on the back of the door of the kazi would support my gazelle like form suspended by my belt in the “jongkok” position, alas, I was wrong and the whole nine yards ended up down the hole, complete with a section of the door – ah, such happy times in Jateng.

Cider with Kiki would be the best, especially if served with jagung – Kawruh?
Aluang Anak Bayang Says:
March 24th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
@ Misterrr Mike Oxblack,

Mbak Oigal to the rescue. White solidarity when the going gets tough. Perhaps Mbak Oigal could enlighten us on ‘smoke for poke’ or ‘cook a blackie’ in his backyard.
Suryo Perkoso Says:
March 24th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
Se se se Mas, nggak usah dadi keras pada Mas Kontol Ireng.
Walaupun dheweke nampak jahat, tenan dheweke nggak pernah dolan tempik ama wedhok jowo, kasihan deh.
Aluang Anak Bayang Says:
March 24th, 2009 at 10:40 pm
Suryo Kontho … yoh, kabeh bule kuwi senengane dho mletho… awake dhewe kudu ngati-ati… ojo nganti anak-anake dhewe dho nyedhak karo bule…
Suryo Perkoso Says:
March 24th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
Opo se ” anak-anake”?
“arek-arek”?
“Kudu” artine opo mas? “Mesti” kalau nggak salah?

Cukup Mas aku wes di dhodhos!
schmerly Says:
March 25th, 2009 at 7:36 am
@ AssmadsAngryBitch.. When are going to get off this prejudiced soapbox of yours, Australian aborigines are called just that, not blackies maybe it’s time to change your name to the Java Nigger!!
Oigal Says:
March 25th, 2009 at 8:36 am
Hey AAB..

Ever reliable to lower the tone of any discussion, congrats on being able to read Australian Newspapers (guess the Australian School System for all its faults has that dubious achievement). Kind of shame you are on the wrong webpage, if you need help finding those site that deal with Australian Injustices and issues let me know (hint .. probably best to subsitute “Australia Matters” for “Indonesia Matters” in the search.

However did you get to the jobs section whilst wasting other peoples time? Perhaps there is an opening for a

“Westerner, pretend Indonesian, Low social skills and self esteem and position suitable for those perfer to fraudently represent the opinion of others, government funded of course”

Ho di Ho ..thanks for coming
Oigal Says:
March 25th, 2009 at 8:55 am
Oh thanks for the backhanded defence (?) sport although you really should work on your terms of address, I acknowledge my Javanese Slang is more than poor, but good enough.
AAB..What is the Javanese slang for pretentious twat?

Sundae mau O’O’ lagi….udah..Aku mau p.. or perhaps malay?

Weee look at me!!! I am a white bloke and I can speak in regional slang..

Mind you, I confess thats all I can do, but then I am not paid by taxpayers to sit around all day reading books.
Mike Oxblack Says:
March 25th, 2009 at 9:04 am
Good evening. The last scene was interesting from the point of view of a professional logician because it contained a number of logical fallacies; that is, invalid propositional constructions and syllogistic forms, of the type so often committed by my wife.

‘All wood burns,’ states Sir Bedevere. ‘Therefore,’ he concludes, ‘all that burns is wood.’ This is, of course, pure bullshit. Universal affirmatives can only be partially converted: all of Alma Cogan is dead, but only some of the class of dead people are Alma Cogan. ‘Oh yes,’ one would think. However, my wife does not understand this necessary limitation of the conversion of a proposition; consequently, she does not understand me, for how can a woman expect to appreciate a professor of logic, if the simplest cloth-eared syllogism causes her to flounder?

For example, given the premise, ‘all fish live underwater’ and ‘all mackerel are fish’, my wife will conclude, not that ‘all mackerel live underwater’, but that ‘if she buys kippers it will not rain’, or that ‘trout live in trees’, or even that ‘I do not love her any more.’ This she calls ‘using her intuition’. I call it ‘crap’, and it gets me very irritated because it is not logical. ‘There will be no supper tonight,’ she will sometimes cry upon my return home. ‘Why not?’ I will ask. ‘Because I have been screwing the milkman all day,’ she will say, quite oblivious of the howling error she has made. ‘But,’ I will wearily point out, ‘even given that the activities of screwing the milkman and getting supper are mutually exclusive, now that the screwing is over, surely then, supper may now, logically, be got.’ ‘You don’t love me any more,’ she will now often postulate. ‘If you did, you would give me one now and again, so that I would not have to rely on that rancid Pakistani for my orgasms.’ ‘I will give you one after you have got me my supper,’ I now usually scream, ‘but not before’– as you understand, making her bang contingent on the arrival of my supper. ‘God, you turn me on when you’re angry, you ancient brute!’ she now mysteriously deduces, forcing her sweetly throbbing tongue down my throat. ‘Fuck supper!’ I now invariably conclude, throwing logic somewhat joyously to the four winds, and so we thrash about on our milk-stained floor, transported by animal passion, until we sink back, exhausted, onto the cartons of yogurt.

I’m afraid I seem to have strayed somewhat from my original brief. But in a nutshell: sex is more fun than logic– one cannot prove this, but it ‘is’ in the same sense that Mount Everest ‘is’, or that Alma Cogan ‘isn’t’.

Goodnight.
Burung Koel Says:
March 25th, 2009 at 9:17 am
And in the same vein:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79vdlEcWxvM

Karl Marx appeals for offside.
ET Says:
March 25th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
Mr TTT

Most of them are our fault indeed. No doubt about that matter in my heart.

Can you elaborate? It would be interesting to know what faults you see in yourself as a people.

@ MO

I think that’d rather exacerbate the old mulligatawny guts but I seem to be better after now after getting almost better then getting much worse again thanks. Those Norit tablets are a complete waste of time I’ve concluded. Has to be 500mg Antibiotic Mick Mills. Cider with Rosie though? Bring it on . Cider with Rani…even better.

Pardon my ignorance. Is this supposed to be English?
Mike Oxblack Says:
March 25th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
Pardon my ignorance. Is this supposed to be English?

Is there a problem with my banter old fruit?
Aluang Anak Bayang Says:
March 25th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
Pak Mike Oxblack yth,

I see that you were plucked away to safety in the nick of time by none other than IM’s resident evil. Like most Bules, easy way out is to avoid embarrassing question time by Brown man. This is not the first time that bules collectively rear their ugly heads in the name of white solidarity.

Mbak Oigal shied away from sharing with us what happened to Blackie landowners in Oz. Maybe some decent unbiased Ozzies (if any) can help with The Jawa Report or last week’s ‘Cook a Blackie in a divvy’.
schmerly Says:
March 26th, 2009 at 7:19 am
AAB.. When are you going to drop the blackies bit? you ignorant swine.