12 Comments on “Indonesian & Palestinian Refugees”

1. Bintang Kejora Says:
   January 23rd, 2009 at 10:08 am

   There are many such catastrophes happening on a regular basis in Indonesia, about which Indonesians can take effective action instead of letting off wasted steam against a distant “threat” which harms nobody here. While the Israeli bombardment was at its peak, a ferry sank between Sulawesi and Kalimantan with the loss of reportedly over 250 lives – nobody knows the true number as there were many names not reported on the manifest because (presumably) of overloading. The captain set to sea despite warnings of dangerous weather. We haven’t heard (in fact recently we’ve heard nothing much) what state his documentation was in, but the odds are it was either out of date or obtained irregularly.

   So the average Indonesian should demand to stop riding on ferries (or buses for that matter) which are overloaded, too old, irregularly certified or commanded by men with no thought for their charges. When will this happen? Probably not in our lifetimes, it’s too much part of the culture. So is this why we see these same people getting steamed up about a distant threat? They may be able to do nothing about either, but it least supporting “Palestina” makes them feel better.

2. Janma Says:
   January 23rd, 2009 at 10:38 am

   I love the way Patung always uses the word \’rails\’ in his little prefaces to Ross\’ Postings….
   

3. Ross Says:
   January 23rd, 2009 at 12:16 pm

   Me too, Janma! I have a thing about alliteration!

4. sputjam Says:
   January 23rd, 2009 at 12:57 pm

   There are many charities out there. But the fact is that the actual helpless refugee will probably get only 20% of all the contributions donated by charities if they are lucky. The rest goes to administration/logistics/PR’s etc.

5. ET Says:
   January 23rd, 2009 at 2:32 pm

   And until justice is done in that or some similar manner, anybody with a conscience should refuse to vacation in Lombok.

   By extension one should refuse to vacation or do business in any place where islamist thugs have taken over the rule of law.

6. nindee Says:
   January 23rd, 2009 at 4:46 pm

   Dear Ross
   Interesting post!
   I’d like to mention this on my blog, if you don’t mind.
   Thanks.

7. stupid guy Says:
   January 23rd, 2009 at 8:28 pm

   I love Bali, a lot more than Lombok, 100% sure.
   Lombok is for old people hehehe

8. Lairedion Says:
   January 24th, 2009 at 4:25 am

   And until justice is done in that or some similar manner, anybody with a conscience should refuse to vacation in Lombok.

   By extension one should refuse to vacation or do business in any place where islamist thugs have taken over the rule of law.

   By extension anybody with conscience should refuse to vacation, take residence or do business in Indonesia, a thoroughly corrupt country with a persistent record of human rights abuses, its own downplayed genocide in 65-66, its own illegal invasion of another nation (East Timor, 1975) and where islamist thugs like the FPI have taken over the rule of law….

9. Bintang Kejora Says:
   January 24th, 2009 at 9:46 am

   Sputjam

   There are many charities out there. But the fact is that the actual helpless refugee will probably get only 20% of all the contributions donated by charities if they are lucky. The rest goes to administration/logistics/PR’s etc.

   This is true (in varying degrees) of any charity, indeed any organisation. Few, if any, enterprises can function without overhead. To deliver 20% of funds raised in services at the point of delivery is reasonable, though one would generally hope to do better – depends on lines of communication, logistics, etc. Overhead by itself is not a reason to withhold your donation, although excessive overhead would be. But how are you going to find that out?

   You can always count on a few things though: it’s fairly certain there’s a lot of “overhead” in your local Palestina collection box, or in any charitable activity managed by the government, Indonesia’s or anyone else’s. The only truly selfless way is to give up your day job, volunteer and go there yourself to right the world’s wrongs

10. Chris Says:
    January 25th, 2009 at 8:36 am

    Ross,

    I read in “Tempo” in 2006 that Ahmadiyah had applied to Australia for refugee status. Any idea what happened to that? (This was before the 43 Papuans).

    I had a holiday in Lombok in August 2006, and was pleasantly surprised to discover it was more like Bali than the next Aceh/West Sumatra. In addition, many of the native Sasak people are poor tobacco and rice farmers, and not devout Muslims (if the number of dogs was anything to go by). Perhaps they don’t even know about Ahmadiyah.

11. Hary Says:
    January 25th, 2009 at 6:24 pm

    “To deliver 20% of funds raised in services at the point of delivery is reasonable, though one would generally hope to do better”
    Respectfully, I can’t agree. The accepted rule for a well run charity is 10% agency cost. 90% of the funds should ideally be delivered to the cause.
    An agency costs of even 50% would frighten any potential donor in the West. In Indonesia, better to buy rice and ensure its delivery yourself. Our middlemen are simply too greedy.

12. Ross Says:
    January 27th, 2009 at 12:12 pm

    Nindee, please go ahead and raise these issues.

    Dude, you make a fair point, but a boyott might wake ‘em up down there.

    Lairedion, yes, Indonesia is awry often, but given a specific issue in a specific location, we might have an impact.

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