Barry Soetoro

Nov 6th, 2008, in IM Posts, Opinion, by

Barry Soetoro aka Barack Obama's Indonesian connection.

Former Menteng student now US President

Obama Barack has been democratically elected President of the US.

Quite an about face for the best democracy money can buy, in view of the Bush presidential se-lection.

But of course, corruption, collusion and nepotism is the sole monopoly of the Third World - or so the deluded denizens of the West repeat to themselves as they hug their knees, rocking back and forth - reminding themselves of how they uphold human rights equally across the board, entirely devoid of double-standards and totally oblivious to race, creed or religion.

Barrak Hussein Obama II was born to a white American Ann Dunham and Kenyan Barrak Hussein Obama Snr, in Nyang'oma Kogelo now in Kenya.

Here the Indonesian link starts.

Ann Dunham married in 1967 Lolo Soetoro, a Javanese, whose own father, in 1946 was killed along with his eldest brother were killed, after which the Dutch army burned down the family's home. Soetoro fled with his mother into the countryside to survive. Incidentally yet more proof of Dutch war crimes - delibrate destruction of civilian property outside the scope of battle.

Pak Lolo Soetoro was an army geologist then later a government relations consultant for Mobil Oil. Obama describes Soetoro as well-mannered, even-tempered, and easy with people.


Barry Soetoro in Indonesia with mother Ann Dunham, step-father Lolo Soetoro, baby-sister Maya Soetoro-Ng.

From age 6 to 10, Obama lived in Jakarta. Age six, Obama attended the Catholic Primary St Francis di Assisi. Much was made of the lie he was educated in a Madrassa - or more accurately a pesantren - this of course was totally untrue. Obama Jnr later attended Model Primary School, Menteng and was registered as a Muslim - as his father was Muslim.

In Obama's own words:

In the Muslim school, the teacher wrote to tell my mother that I made faces during Koranic studies. My mother wasn’t overly concerned. ‘Be respectful,’ she’d say. In the Catholic school, when it came time to pray, I would close my eyes, then peek around the room. Nothing happened. No angels descended. Just a parched old nun and 30 brown children, muttering words.

One of "Berry's" childhood friends was Adi who often visited "Berry's" 16 Jalan Haji Ramli house. Speaking volumes of Dutch "development" at the time the road was of this established middle-class neighbourhood was a dirt lane where Obama used to wile away the hours kicking a soccer ball.

Adi recalled Obama and his friends wore plastic bags over their shoes to walk through the muddy street during the rainy seasons.

Neighborhood Muslims worshiped in a nearby house, which has since been replaced by a larger mosque. Sometimes, when the muezzin sounded the call to prayer, Lolo and Barry would walk to the makeshift mosque together, Adi said.

His mother often went to the church, but Barry was Muslim. He went to the mosque,” Adi said. “I remember him wearing a sarong.”

Obama spent most his spare time hanging out with Adi and other friends at the home of Yunaldi Askiar, a classmate. They used to play a kind of fencing game using sticks, kick a ball up and down the narrow dirt lanes or go swimming in the river behind the school, said Askiar, 42, a car mechanic.

Obama was taller and better dressed than most kids in classes where shoes and socks were still luxuries, so he stood out from the start. As an African American, and the only foreigner, he suffered racial taunts and teasing but never turned to violence.

"At first, everybody felt it was weird to have him here," Israella Dharmawan, his first grade teacher said. "But also they were curious about him, so wherever he went, the kids were following him."

His friends enjoyed playing tricks on Berry: Harmon ASki recalled,

"Sometimes we'd say, 'Barry, do you want a chocolate?’ And we'd give him a chocolate. The next day we'd give him a chocolate again. The third time we'd give him terasi (fermented shrimp paste) wrapped up like chocolate. Obama didn't get mad. He would laugh it off."

Ann Soetoro moved to Yogyakarta, while Obama Jnr studied in Jakarta. She was inspired by Jogja village industries, which became the basis of her 1992 doctoral dissertation.

“She loved living in Java,” said Dr. Dewey, who recalled accompanying Ms. Soetoro to a metalworking village. “People said: ‘Hi! How are you?’ She said: ‘How’s your wife? Did your daughter have the baby?’ They were friends. Then she’d whip out her notebook and she’d say: ‘How many of you have electricity? Are you having trouble getting iron?’ ”

Dunham-Soetoro became a consultant for the United States Agency for International Development on setting up a village credit program, then a Ford Foundation program officer in Jakarta specializing in women’s work. Later, she was a consultant in Pakistan, then joined Indonesia’s oldest bank to work on what is described as the world’s largest sustainable microfinance program, creating services like credit and savings for the poor.


Obama in Hawaii with Maya and Ann and maternal grand-father, shortly after leaving Indonesia.

In his tellingly-titled Memoir, Dreams from My Father, Obama describes his Indonesian interlude as "one long adventure, the bounty of a young boy's life". But he also recalls being troubled by the poverty around him: "the empty look on the faces of farmers the year the rains never came," and the desperation of the disabled beggars who came to the family's door.

"The world was violent, I was learning, unpredictable and often cruel," he writes. Obama and his mother thus we were very well acquainted with the harsh realities of indigenous Indonesians.

Fermina Katarina Sinaga, recalled yojhng Obama in her class: in the common task of class to write an essay titled “My dream: What I want to be in the future.” Obama “wrote ‘I want to be a president,’ ” she said. During a later writing assignment on family, he wrote, “My father is my idol.

The Indonesian connection for Obama and all that shaped him proving once again all things Javanese and indigenous Indonesian the bedrock for the towering monuments built on the foundations of a great civilisation.


1,046 Comments on “Barry Soetoro”

  1. avatar Stevo says:

    I guess its back to things Indonesian now Odinius…………….

    (Though I am expectantly waiting for some seriously unhinged commentary to emerge yet on this issue. Maybe this will help things along :)) http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/04/layering-obamas-new-colb-raises-more-questions-than-it-answers.html )

  2. avatar Odinius says:

    It’s not over, but it’s going to recede back to the extreme fringes again. I’m sure some of our superstars from pages 1-21 wouldn’t be convinced by anything. That essential quote again:

    As Jonathan Swift once said, you cannot reason someone out of something they were not reasoned into.

  3. avatar Stevo says:

    Yes a very good quote. Particularly applicable to religion.

  4. avatar Oigal says:

    So…that’s 25 pages of fun now ended. I’d say goodbye to the birthers, but will it stop? I doubt it.

    Hi Ody, I seriously hope not as it was so much fun although having the Carnival Barker (What a simply apt description of that loon) entering the fray has added so much more fun distractions. I snorted my coffee through my nose when the Barker said he would declare his run for presidency (or not) on the last episode of his inane TV. Wow real conservatives must be near to slashing their wrists. By the way, has anyone seen Trump’s long form birth certificate? He does look like a extra from the “V” series.

    Steve..Atlas Shrugs??? I tried to go there but kept getting redirected to the Shaun the Sheep website

  5. avatar Stevo says:

    Hi Shirley,

    What standard of proof would it require to convince you Obama is eligible?

    For me, it’s the balance of probabilities. I looked at both sides of this and commented that I think Obama should produce the long form certificate. Now he has done so.
    Unless something new can be produced to refute this…….. I suggest it’s time to move on.

    What assisted me in reaching my conclusion is some of the rhetoric used by those who have questioned his eligibility. It shows that they really have it in for Obama, which is ok, but has nothing to do with the legal matter of his right to hold office.

    If you don’t like him because he is, black/socialist, or any other reason, have the sincerity to say so.

    But none of those issues relate to his legal right to hold office.

  6. avatar Lairedion says:

    Stevo

    However I do not think its right to refer to people as nutters & crackpots simply for asking legitimate questions of a public figure.

    Yes, we can!

  7. avatar Lairedion says:

    I also believe it won’t stop here.

    Nutters will go on great lengths to cook up all kinds of bizarre statements just to avoid the N-word because that’s what really bothers them.

  8. avatar berlian biru says:

    Thank heavens he finally published the damn thing thus putting to bed the whole issue. An issue which if his advisers had had a bit more political savvy would never have been allowed to get this far.

    However I’m not so sure that it writes off Donald Trump, quite the opposite. Remember Obama steadfastly refused to publish his birth cert, why I have no idea when one looks at it and sees that it’s absolutely in order. Then faced by the challenge from Trump he caves in and publishes the cert and appears on a special Oprah show to talk about on primetime the very issue he had previously refused to even discuss.

    That actually works out as a huge boost to Trump; he’s forced Obama to discuss something he so imperiously, perhaps justifiably, dismissed as a non-issue. Now Obama can talk about putting this silliness behind him but the fact is he has blinked and Trump made him do it. What’s next for Trump? Does he now turn to Obama’s academic record? Either way the ball is actually in Trump’s court.

    No one who disliked Trump before this dislikes him any more, but others must now look on him with newfound respect as the guy who forced Obama’s hand.

    Don’t write off Trump, he’s a gambler after all who knows all about how to bluff and he likes playing for high stakes.

  9. avatar Wake up call says:

    Wake up people! The new world order is in control of all and can put ANYONE in office they want by forging any documents they want. All presidents have been members of Free Masonry secret socieites which stems back to when the Annunakis resided on earth . They never left and are working with the governments to control the whole planet. This is the whole agenda with hiding the existence of aliens and the approaching planet x. It is too late to change anything as we are in the last year before the pole shift. We all have to wake up to the truth that we have been deceived all along and the dark forces are controlling everything. Awareness is the key to surival and look forward to our transformation as the christlike forces come to overcome. Pray all!

  10. avatar Oigal says:

    Curious that someone who was critical of the scrutiny (or perceived lack of) of BO would now suggest

    I’m not so sure that it writes off Donald Trump, quite the opposite

    Any minor level investigation of his personal and business bankruptcy flirtations would open a huge can of worms. Of course we also have the securities and exchange commission charges against his companies in 2002 etc etc. You are right he is gambler and he is exactly what BO said a Carnival Barker and potentially the death knell for the Republicans.

    Deutsche Bank then noted in court that ‘Trump is no stranger to overdue debt’ and that he has twice previously filed for bankruptcy with respect to his casino operations

    Yup just the person the USA needs to restore confidence in her economy.

  11. avatar berlian biru says:

    You are absolutely right Oigal, Trump wouldn’t survive the sort of scrutiny that presidential and vice-presidential candidates normally undergo for example Bush and Palin having every detail of their past business, personal and family lives scrutinised under a microscope. That is why despite his minor triumph (as he would see it) in forcing Obama to publish his birth cert, Trump will never have a chance of hell in winning the presidency.

    However some of us would point out that Obama’s past history was absolved from the same sort of scrutiny by the mainstream media when he was running and wonder why different standards apply.

    No doubt that makes me a racist.

  12. avatar Steve says:

    I agree bb it does make you racist, but please clarify if your racisim is directed towards his African or European lineage?

    (Given that Europeans are a minority compared with Africans)

  13. avatar Oigal says:

    However some of us would point out that Obama’s past history was absolved from the same sort of scrutiny by the mainstream media when he was running and wonder why different standards apply.

    No doubt that makes me a racist.

    Perhaps for you only you know that, but certainly for a great many of the Anti BO tribe racism is absolutely the underlying issue. The birthers being a classic example of this, seriously did any rational person really believe he was born in Kenya for example which then leaves the question what was the real issue for so many dingbats.

    Secondly, I would disagree that BO does not get the same sort of scrutiny than others, it just does not withstand any sort of analysis. In addition to the media lunacy of giving the dingbats far more airspace than they deserve, I am pushed to think of another President who has had essentially a whole major cable tv channel dedicated to the anti President perspective. Or is someone seriously going to suggest that FOX is anything like balanced in its reporting? Ok, sorry “reporting” and Fox is a bit like the term abstract art only attractive to its devotees.

    Sadly, this kind of nonsense plays right into the Dems hands the more the Republicans let the loony cons call the tune and add inane distractions to the debate then the less actual focus is place on BO’s actual performance as a President.

    As a matter of interest, if it was me I would not be a voter for BO but in light of the alternatives at the moment, one hopes there is someone they are keeping under wraps.

    Lastly, at not particularly directed at you BB, as always can someone, anywhere actually point to any specific policy or direction that uploads BO as the anti-christ, anti- American doomsday so oft shrilled by the loony cons?

  14. avatar Odinius says:

    Oigal said:

    Steve..Atlas Shrugs??? I tried to go there but kept getting redirected to the Shaun the Sheep website

    That redirect saved you a few braincells.

  15. avatar shirley says:

    hi stevo.
    I am not trying to say obama isn’t qualified to be president,I was trying to show
    the true birth , so everyone would quit saying they are racist just for speaking up.
    I see racist they, are the ones that bring race into the conversation when it is
    important .
    I will state one more time, obama was born in kenya with a foot print on his
    birth certificate.he weigh 7lb 1oz 18 in long 6in between shoulder blades .
    ( u got a E-mail ) I will send it to you.

  16. avatar shirley says:

    hi stevo and all who think I am after barack obamo,juuuut in case you want to
    say I am racist,laugh your A– of my family is biracial.

  17. avatar Stevo says:

    Shirley, Its clear from my posts that I do not dismiss people as racist just for asking relevant questions. Nor do I call them names or put labels on them.

    However, my question to you was, what standard of proof would convince you?

  18. avatar obamascam says:

    It’s obvious that the entity that occupies the white house is a scam artist. I can’t wait till he gets caught. Hope they fry him.

  19. avatar Oigal says:

    It’s obvious that the entity that occupies the white house is a scam artist

    An entity now…As in ET ?? That would explain a lot, only an alien could go back in time and place birth notices in newpapers. The plot thickens, do tell us more ..pleeeaase!

  20. avatar Carol says:

    Oigal: You said “an alien could go back in time and place birth notices in newpapers”
    That’s just mockery because you cannot yourself think of anyway that those newspaper announcements got into the newspapers if Obama was born in Kenya….so let me enlighten you.
    One of the newspapers say exactly “who” placed the list of birth announcements in there:
    The title says: HEALTH BUREAU STATISTICS and the newspaper is dated August 13, 1961
    Authentic yes…Proof of birth in Hawaii…No.
    It is proof only of a “Registered Birth”
    But if a Hospital did not “register” the birth then who did and where was the child born.
    The address listed in the newspapers is the “reported” permanent address of the mother or the “mailing address”. ..not “where” a child was born. If that was so then it would say “hospital” , or even taxi-cab….that would be funny , huh?
    EVEN IF BORN IN KENYA A BIRTH CAN BE REGISTERED IN HAWAII:
    http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.htm
    If the mother was in Kenya when she had baby Obama…if the Kenyan hospital had a Teletype machine as most American hospitals had at the time they could send telegrams by teletype. The local telegraph office in Hawai would have delivered the message to the grandmother in Hawaii and she could go to the Health Dept or Registrar’s Office and “report” the birth Someone said that when they searched where the birth certificate was supposed to be in Hawaii that there were just pieces of paper there…that would explain the “telegram” and probably the mother’s school records for the previous year which would be all that would be required to show that she had been a resident in Hawaii for at least one year.
    In any case just as this article from Indonesia states that Obama was born in Kenya there had been other articles even in Kenya publications as far back as 2004 that stated Obama was born in Kenya…then all of a sudden in 2007 he is born in Hawaii.
    Birthers are not racist they are either Hillary supporters or Republicans by and large and would have no problem supporting any other black man representing their political policies and issues. Racist are proudly adamant that they are superior and have no problem saying they hate blacks just like any Black Panther Party person hates whites and will say so.
    There are far more Democrats that are racist and just don’t know that they are. They talk about blacks as if they are pitiful and need their superior protection. Republicans treat them as equals and have nothing to do with any fringe groups that say or do anything remotely racist in action. A Republican will go into a poor African village and see how to be of help respecting the fact that there will be those in the village of equal intelligence or even some of superior intelligence that just needs monetary help to get their village up and going. A Democrat will see the entire village as pitiful forever needy people that will always “need” them…they see them as inferior.

  21. avatar Carol says:

    Stevo:
    Obama is a nice man maybe and has a beautiful gracious wife and two beautiful daughters. He is a convincingly good husband and father. As for the Anti-Christ conspirators that is attributed to every President since John F. Kennedy. But my biggest argument to that is that the anti-Christ is supposed to be someone who has no desire for the natural use of a woman…and Obama obviously adores Michelle…so he is not the Anti-Christ.
    I have a black grandmother so there are those in my family that are more black than Obama. As a matter of fact I have two granddauthers by my son and one is very brown with curly hair and the other is very white with straight hair. I definitely am not racist. But I am a Republican and I am a birther.
    I am a birther not because of “where” Obama was born because the where is debatable. The long form birth certificate is so very fake it is laughable and I have no idea why the government who forges documents for the CIA operatives and etc. would put out an obvious fake document…is someone trying to purposely sabatoge Obama’s Presidency..or what?
    http://youtube/7s9StxsFllY
    http://www.youtube.com/user/orangegold1
    http://youtube/QNJfdKClbH4
    http://youtube/m2L5a_KS6iw

    What worries me is that some unknown puppet master is using hidden information about Obama to blackmail him into doing what they want him to do.
    I am not as much of a birther as I am a Constitutionalist.
    The greatest proof that Obama is not now nor never has been eligible to be President is because of a Bill S.2128 that was proposed in 2004. The Bill was to Amend Article II, Section I to Redefine the term “Natural Born Citizen” as it applies to the qualification of the President of the United States. The arguments on the floor of Congress so stated that the term was antiquated and DID NOT REFLECT AMENDED CITIZENSHIP LAWS NOR ADDRESS THE NEW WOMEN’S RIGHTS TO HAVE A DOMICIL SEPARATE FROM HER HUSBANDS. …and also stated that the 14th Amendment was moot on the Natural Born Citizen term as defined in that Article and Section number…and also stated that all citizenship laws set precedence all over the place and were all in conflicting definitions when it came to the term “Natural Born Citizen”

    It was concluded that Article II, Section I definition has never been amended nor redefined to mean anything other than what it meant in 1787 which was Vattel’s Law of Nations that said :a natural born citizen is a child that is soil born with citizen parents. (that’s both parents) ..and also states that the land of the fathers is the land of the child’s. ..that every child’s domicil is the same as the father and every married wife’s domicil is the same as the husband’s. In this case Obama’s father determined Obama’s primary citizenship and that was Kenya…nor could the mother’s citizenship deprive the child of the father’s British citizenship

    Therefore, since this Bill did not pass means that the law that applied in 1787 though out-dated had the same definition as it did in 1787 and no other amendments could or have affected the “natural born citizen” term as it was defined at the signing of the Constituion. Until the Constitution Amends that Article and Section number they can now declare kitty cats to be citizens but that would not change the definition as it was in 1787. …nothing but an Amendment to that section and number can do that.

  22. avatar Oigal says:

    Ah they are bacckkk :-))

    In any case just as this article from Indonesia states that Obama was born in Kenya

    Yup, proof positive for me even without the link, if an Indonesian Article says something then it must be so. Of course, you are aware there are also a plethora of other articles in Indonesia that state that Americans are just godless, free sex, dope fiends :-)

    At least we didn’t generalize or anything in your post because that would be silly. Then again I can understand your angst..BO got OBL and GB got FA.

    You do realise of course how many past Presidents you have just declared invalid?

    It was concluded that Article II, Section I definition has never been amended nor redefined to mean anything other than what it meant in 1787 which was Vattel’s Law of Nations that said :a natural born citizen is a child that is soil born with citizen parents. (that’s both parents) ..and also states that the land of the fathers is the land of the child’s. ..that every child’s domicil is the same as the father and every married wife’s domicil is the same as the husband’s

    I do so enjoy you guys :-) keep up the good work.

  23. avatar Carol says:

    No this article doesn’t have a link. It also seems to have an anonymous author and I have no idea how one might contact him to find out how he so matter of factly puts out some detailed location of Obama’s birth. It is at least plausible that the author himself believes what he has written. It states an exact place unlike others that just say “Kenya”. The writer appears to be from Indonesia and seems oblivious to the fact that there was ever a debate about “where” Obama was born.
    “No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President”

    You need to do some research on the history of other Presidents. Obama is the only President in the history of America to have a foreign father that never ever intended to be an American. Other than the Presidents that were exempt because they were “citizens at the signing of the Constitution” there is only one, Chester Arthur, whose father did became a naturalized American citizen when he was 14 years old but had been born in Ireland and as such was also a subject to the British Throne. There were at least five other Presidential candidates whose “natural born citizen” status was debated but none were elected. Arthur’s NBC status also challenged but again he was never elected to office (he was VP that took office when the sitting President had been shot and finished out his term). The Opposing party sought to oust him the entire time he was President because of the NBC status. This one thing is certain about Arthur’s father is that he came to America to make America his home and did renounce all other allegiance to foreign lands. Obama’s has no such allegiance in his heritage except from “Dreams from my Father” one should derive that his Kenyan roots are more important to him than his own American heritage. He is the epitome of someone that our founding fathers had intended to keep out of office as the POTUS by the inclusion of the Natural Born Citizen qualification.

    Some attempt to argue that many Presidents had mothers that were not born American citizens. That also is ignorance of the citizenship laws of 1787 and the definition of natural born citizen whereby every child’s citizenship was that of the father and every married wife was that of the husband. It was only of importance where the father was born. Women were not granted separate domicil citizenship until 1974.

    (Barry v. Mercein), the Supreme Court noted that the domicil of the child and wife follow the domicil of the father … which in this case, Barak Sr.’s domicil was in Kenya, not the United States.

    ‘A wife and minor child can have no settlement separate from the husband and father.’

    ‘A married woman follows the domicil of her husband. This results from the general principle, that a person who is under the power and authority of another possesses no right to choose a domicil.’

    Far more important is the INTENT OF THE LAW by our founding fathers:
    It was the fear of foreign influence invading the Office of Commander in Chief of the military that prompted John Jay, our first U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice, to write to George Washington the following letter dated July 25, 1787: “Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen (underlying “born” in the original). Jay’s recommendation did make it into the Constitution. Article II, Sec. 1, cl. 5 of the Constitution provides in pertinent part: “No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President. . .” In this clause and in Articles I, III, and IV, the Founding Fathers distinguished between “Citizen” and “natural born Citizen.” Per the Founders, while Senators and Representatives can be just “citizens,” the President must be a “natural born Citizen.” Through this clause, the Founders sought to guarantee that the ideals for which they fought would be faithfully preserved for future generations of Americans. The Founders wanted to assure that the Office of President and Commander in Chief of the Military, a non-collegial and unique and powerful civil and military position, was free of all foreign influence and that its holder has sole and absolute allegiance, loyalty, and attachment to the U.S. The “natural born Citizen” clause was the best way for them to assure this.

  24. avatar Carol says:

    Would you take off your mockery hat and at least admit that I just have questions about: How this man got into office?
    How does he take the name of Barry Soetoro after being adopted by his step-father and then somehow go back to his original name?
    Like Trump said, “How does someone with poor grades at Occidental college get into an Ivy League School like Columbia?”
    How does he get by not having to produce his important documents that should be public information for any candidate?
    How can it be that every Secretary of State from every state just signs off on “his word” that he meets the qualifications as President?
    How is it no one’s job to assign an investigation or CIA report or anything ever vetted about him?
    All the major publications, all the major internet ISP homepage news, all the MSM including Fox mocks anyone who even “hints” as challenging or doubting Obama’s roots and qualification status as the POTUS. Even the Republican politicians avoid the issue like the plague. I think this is because the MSM has associated it with being racist though you will never read even one such racist remark from a birther. The only place it is debated is on the internet and that is where it is ablaze and unrelenting. Type in “Obama Birth Certificate” and any given day there will be around 50 million results.

    This same media including internet media all seem to copy and paste or reiterate what the others say as if it is all scripted. Every piece of information about Obama is if it is guarded and all are told to “puff” him. Any that even slightly challenge him are demolished and ridiculed. Even Joe the Plumber’s taxes and every bit of paper history the man had was scutinized and splattered dirt about him all over the news just for asking Obama a question in front of his own home about “spreading the wealth around”.

    But the puzzling thing is why after all this time did the Administration put out an obviously faked long form birth certificate? Seriously!…That is beyond being blatant audacity. I mean it was the government who has for years been experts in creating new identies with convincing documents and passports? Even if you are so proObama can you tell me why you think they would do that?

    If you have the slightest knowledge of Adobe Illustrator you can see it is fake:

    http://youtube/7s9StxsFllY
    http://www.youtube.com/user/orangegold1
    http://youtube/QNJfdKClbH4
    http://youtube/m2L5a_KS6iw

    How can it not look like we are being bamboozled and what if Obama is himself being blackmailed? What if this fake document is a cry for someone to hopefully expose this?
    During a crisis Obama goes golfing as if he is being told not to get involved until someone figures out how they want to handle things? Obama is a smart man and I just can’t see him not having an opinion.
    WND website owner was once offering $100,000 and there are others offering rewards for a verifible information about Obama but I bet Donald Trump would offer some serious cash to someone that can come up with some of the hidden documents to unveil that this man is just an “image” sold to the American public…but what or more importantly “who” is behind the curtain pulling the strings of this Presidency?

  25. avatar Stevo says:

    Wise words…………. “Racist are proudly adamant that they are superior and have no problem saying they hate blacks just like any Black Panther Party person hates whites and will say so.
    There are far more Democrats that are racist and just don’t know that they are. They talk about blacks as if they are pitiful and need their superior protection. Republicans treat them as equals and have nothing to do with any fringe groups that say or do anything remotely racist in action. A Republican will go into a poor African village and see how to be of help respecting the fact that there will be those in the village of equal intelligence or even some of superior intelligence that just needs monetary help to get their village up and going. A Democrat will see the entire village as pitiful forever needy people that will always “need” them…they see them as inferior.”

    I am not sure you are on the right track with the birther issues however.

    It is fair to say Obama got into office on a tidal wave of media support. In that regard, there is a conspiracy.

  26. avatar Oigal says:

    Well mainly because it is hard not to mock Carol. You said it yourself every mainstream publication, media group, political party, politician and law enforcement agency dismisses such nonsense as just that. Can you imagine the depth of such a conspiracy, at let’s be honest Americians are not known to be good at secrets.

    As for the Internet being ablaze, type in Alien visitations and see what you get. However, both streams of lunacy are real fun to read. :-)

  27. avatar Carol says:

    It did not take much intelligence or knowledge of a subject to mock anyone saying the world was round when it was believed by the majority of people on the earth at the time that the world was flat. You will not admit that my questions are at least plausible in view of such spurious information….the dots no matter what just don’t connect. The media image is one thing and beneath the man is lots and lots of questions. You would think he grew up poor and had an understanding of the plight of the black man at least having lived in an impoverished Indonesian country. But when you know the value of the home that he owned in Illinois was worth about a million dollars and look up the house value of his grandmother’s home in Hawaii ..the home he grew up in :6085 Kalanianaole Hwy, Honolulu, Hawaii has a total value $590, 100….that isn’t poor. There are comments from people who remembered him in Indonesia as the boy that was rich enough to wear shoes. Then when you know that he is all about spreading the wealth around and yet he is currently worth about $10 million and yet his Aunt living in New York lives on welfare and his relatives in Kenya surely do not look like they have benefitted from him spreading his own wealth around…then it is safe to say he says one thing and means another.
    As for everyone being in on some secret that is not my implication at all. The only ones that could or would cover up the fact that he was actually born in Kenya would have been his campaign advisors. Had he brought up the fact that his birth was registered in Hawaii but born in Kenya as was permissable by Hawaiian law under :
    http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.htm
    His advisors would have said …no problem …we just show that the COLB and the newspaper announcements published by the State Office of Statistics and that is proof “if anyone asks”. Then they just rely on the ignorance of everyone not knowing what the heck the difference is between a citizen and a natural born citizen….and call them racist.
    All his important documents are sealed and no one questions him without getting the Saul Alinsky tactic of mockery made of them.
    It was discovered that it really was no one’s assigned duty to vet the “natural born citizen” clause requirement of the POTUS.

    You can turn on even Fox News and the Conservative pundits like Sean Hannity and you will hear them listing people like Mark Rubio and Bobby Jindall as potential Republican candidates for President in 2012….so they obviously have no idea that the “natural born citizen” status requirement makes them ineligible…so of course since Obama’s mother was a citizen and he has any kind of registered American birth certificate …of course he is eligible and it is nonsense to believe otherwise. Even Trump who doubted his Hawaiian birth still did not understand that it was his father that made him ineligible. …and some think that Trump may have backed out thinking his own mother having been born in (Scotland?) would make him ineligible if that were the case. ..but it wouldn’t because the term natural born citizen is a 1787 definition term in which the married wife had no citizenship separate than her husband’s. The term is antiquated BUT UNAMENDED and the letter of the law says that the child has no citizenship separate than the father. ..so it would stand that the father and the child must be soil born and the same.
    It was for the preservation of the Constitution and it is time that our politicians adhere to this law and insure its enforcement before our nation is taken over by the likes of George Soros and his ilk.

  28. avatar Rick says:

    Worldnetdaily has vowed not to give up on proving his illegitimacy as president. Probably the only thing that would settle this is a little parallel proof– REAL copies of his mother’s passport records for 1961 so we can all see where she actually was when he was born. But Obama is not into proving anything–just asserting it. We don’t actually know that the military took out bin Laden. We just have some official statement that it happened. Again, no parallel proof. Has anyone heard anything about a biopsy of bin Laden’s kidneys to verify that their owner was, in fact, in need of periodic dialysis? And why was his family not given the opportunity to claim his body for a proper burial in the family’s customary way? Obama is a self-indulgent, two-faced liar with his own agenda.

  29. avatar Oigal says:

    Well we can rest easy then if such a reputable publication as the world net daily is on the job. As for his mothers passport, yes but we will need the original customs stamp to make sure someone didn’t Photoshop the passport, oh and we will need the birth certificate of the customs guy who held the stamp, that stamped the stamp of his mother’s passport to prove….Oh wait…

    As for Osama, yes no doubt them sneaky, devious navy seals are treacherous little traitors all in on the master conspiracy…why there is no end to it..where are their long form birth certificates and their mothers passports I say…

  30. avatar Stevo says:

    Here you will see a document showing that Barry is actually an Indonesian citizen. (Go to 1:20 )

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra8SJBEzhxc

    You will, of course, know that Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship………….

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