Yawn Dual, Its been done to death and remains just a figment of the nether region of the web. I am sure you can provide a reference for your statement..
Here it is again..in case you missed it the first time
Children born on U.S. soil automatically acquire American citizenship for life. The 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution guarantees USA citizenship at birth to almost all individuals born in the U.S. or in U.S. jurisdictions, according to the principle of Jus Soli.
Ah yes, I am a paid servant of the dark plot, who is paid to hang around Indonesian Matters to further the aims of the UN take over of the USA…:-) but only because its such a logical place to make the case…:-)
By the way, I never want to convince you of anything, I think it is an incredible compliment to the USA that she achieves so much and yet harbours such conspiracy huggers.
I will never understand why (how) people who know nothing and get the facts wrong (on purpose) spend time on these forums (unless they have some other employer paying them to spread these lies.)
Being paid to spread lies? Hell no! We are not employed by Fox, The Tea Baggies or North Korea. We are independent free thinkers (which many of you believe are Satan’s slaves)
“Children born on U.S. soil automatically acquire American citizenship for life. The 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution guarantees USA citizenship at birth to almost all individuals born in the U.S. or in U.S. jurisdictions, according to the principle of Jus Soli”
Okay – now you understand citizenship! You have no clue what the term NATURAL BORN CITIZEN means do you? It is the law, it is a fact and you are WRONG.
Obama is a self admitted dual citizen! He has told us who his father is. What to you think it takes to be a dual citizen (three parents, two alien parents?) – To be a Dual Citizen you need one parent who is not a US citizen at your time of birth! This is not a conspiracy theory – WE KNOW WHO HIS FATHER IS! and he was not an American Citizen. Stop commenting on tea partiers, birthers, conspiracy theories – and uncivil discourse. EXPLAIN, if you are able, HOW he is NOT a dual citizen – start with that and then you can try and define the differences between NATURAL BORN and CITIZEN.
Natural Born – Both parents American CITIZENS (who cares where you were born)
Dual Citizen – One US parent ONLY.
Citizen – Born on this soil, or naturalized after coming here.
To be clear – Arnold has at least taken an oath of citizenship. Obama can not even be drafted to defend the flag since he can claim his British citizenship. Ask the British if they consider him a Brit? I am standing my for a substantive reply – continuing to claim he is a citizen is fine with me – just expain why you think he is NATURAL BORN and NOT a DUAL citizen. There is not a single court in this country who has found him to be eligible. Call the state department – they are the ones which said he is a dual citizen.
Cleary you do not understand that we have a constitution which seperates us from the thrid world. We also understand that if we do not respect it as the law of the land we must voice our thoughts. Now do some thinking and let’s hear your thoughts NOT your insults and faulty logic. You can repeat a lie again and again, no one is listening any more.
HE IS A DUAL CITIZEN – in time you will eat yout words of that I am certain.
Cheers – hope you never make it to this country as you do not appreciate it.
By the way – 60% of Americans do not believe he is eligible. If you asked them if he has a British father 100% would agree – so would you!
I believe the conspiracy is not where he is born but HOW HE GOT INTO OFFICE AND CAN STAY THERE.
Lastly – I don’t care if he is black or purple – he is not eligible and totally underqualified.
Oh my, you don’t have access to your own government websites there..
The concept of dual citizenship means that a person is a citizen of two countries at the same time. Each country has its own citizenship laws based on its own policy. Persons may have dual nationality by automatic operation of different laws rather than by choice. For example, a child born in a foreign country to U.S. citizen parents may be both a U.S. citizen and a citizen of the country of birth.
Dual Citizen – One US parent ONLY…….Wrong! read your your own laws…
The concept of dual nationality means that a person is a citizen of two countries at the same time. Each country has its own citizenship laws based on its own policy.Persons may have dual nationality by automatic operation of different laws rather than by choice. For example, a child born in a foreign country to U.S. citizen parents may be both a U.S. citizen and a citizen of the country of birth.
A U.S. citizen may acquire foreign citizenship by marriage, or a person naturalized as a U.S. citizen may not lose the citizenship of the country of birth.U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one citizenship or another. Also, a person who is automatically granted another citizenship does not risk losing U.S. citizenship. However, a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may lose U.S. citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship.
Sorry have to go the big black helicopter is waiting..
Personally couldn’ t care less if he is good prez or bad prez but seriously you can surely make a better case than nonsense disproved in about 20 seconds of research
So you have pointed out there may be anoter way to be a Dual –
You still have not shown how Obama is not a Dual and you totally avoid the concept of being Natural Born vs. Dual – funny if it was not so obvious an omission on your part.
I am a Dual Citizen – there is no way I can never be a Natural born american. I was born in the US to and American Mom and a European Father. The ONLY job in the world I am not eligible for is that of the presidency because I am a Dual.
End of story. If you care to explain why he is not a Dual citizen and how is can be both a Dual citizen and a NATURAL born – please. 2+2 = 4 is also not a conspiracy – open you mind a bit and let the air in.
I think almost everyone agrees President Obama was born in Hawaii. At least two Hawain newspapers carried an announcement of his birth on the day he was born. The mystery for many people is why he refuses to release his birth certificate to the public as that would end and conspiracy theories?
Not even four in 10 people across America believe President Obama’s narrative about being born in Hawaii, according to a new poll.
A new 60 Minutes–Vanity Fair poll shows that only 39 percent of respondents believe Obama was born in Hawaii as he wrote in his book.
The magazine boasted, “A whopping 63 percent – very nearly two-thirds of us – went out on a limb and stated for the record that we believe in the United States. It’s enough to make you proud to be an American – or 63 percent proud, at any rate.”
A new poll by CNN, whose editorial commentary largely supports President Obama and his policies, delivered some bad news on his apparent birthday today: 6 of 10 people are uncertain the president was even born in the United States.
The poll was taken July 16-21 of 1,018 adults, including 335 Democrats and 285 Republicans. It has a margin of error of 3 percentage points.
The question was: “Do you think Barack Obama was definitely born in the United States, probably born in the United States, probably born in another country, or definitely born in another country?”
And finally CHEW ON THIS
The State Department is maintaining a “counter-misinformation” page on an America.gov blog that attempts to “debunk a conspiracy theory” that President Obama was not born in the United States, as if the topic were equivalent to believing space aliens visit Earth in flying saucers.
However, in the attempt to debunk the Obama birth-certificate controversy, the State Department author confirmed Obama was a dual citizen of the U.K. and the U.S. from 1961 to 1963 and a dual citizen of Kenya and the U.S. from 1963 to 1982, because his father was a Kenyan citizen when Obama was born in 1961.
end of story – I really do not care where he was born – like my fatherm his father was not an american citizen when Obama was born. No way he is natural born or eligible.
I am eagerly awaiting more garbage about how he is a citizen, how he is not a Dual, how the laws of other countries should not determine our rights etc. bla bla bla.
As far as I know, the law at the time of President Obama’s birth till the present time states that all babies born on USA soil are automatically provided USA citizenship. There parent’s citizen issues are not taken into consideration There are some in Congress that wish to change that law as too many illegal immigrants have used the law (to have what is reffered to as anchor babies) to their advantage to remain in the USA.
Citizenship by Being Born in the United States
In most situations, any child that is born in the United States or one of its territories will automatically receive American citizenship. However, children born to diplomats and other recognized government officials from foreign countries will not receive U.S. citizenship if born on American soil. You can learn more about this by looking through Title 8 of the U.S. Code.
If you were born in the U.S., your U.S. citizenship will last your entire life unless you make an affirmative action to give it up, like filing an oath.
Citizenship by Being Born to U.S. Citizens
In a number of situations, if you were born to parents, at least one of whom was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, you automatically gained U.S. citizenship through the process of acquisition. It does not matter whether you were born on American soil or foreign. As well, if you have children, those children will also acquire U.S. citizenship through you at their birth
Ho Dual, you obviously prefer to draw your understanding of citizenship from the dark bowels of the Ethernet. So let’s going along with that for some fun.
We can assume then that in your world Andrew Jackson (both parents foreign) Thomas Jefferson, Woodrow Wilson, Herbert Hoover and others were not qualified to be President? As they all had at least one foreign parent and no they are not and never would be considered dual citizens.
I reckon more than 63 per cent of the people might consider Thomas Jefferson more qualified to be President than some loon from Alaska or a semi reformed drunk from the cabal of oil profiteers.
Reviewing the banter of eligibility of POTUS per US Constitution qualifications on the multiple pages of exchange. Let’s answer some simple questions that plain logic may reveal reason for the suspicion of usurpation.
1. Why spend (current figures) $2mil on legal costs blocking discovery of barry’s past?
2. Why did barry sign his first executive order not even 24 hrs. in office #13489 sealing all records of his life?
3. Where and when did he change his name to Barack O.?
4. Why does he have a Connecticut SS #? (and used 29 others in his past)
5. Why are there 2 different DNC forms? The one to Hawaii includes the clause of qualifications for POTUS the other states DNC filings omit the language altogether.
6. Why does not one student at Columbia ever remember him in class?
7. What passport did he have going to Pakistan?
8. Why is there no hospital or physician on the computer COLB online?
9. Why would a mother enroll in WA state college just having a baby 3 weeks earlier?
When did people start accepting nonsense put on the web as fact.
How does the USA still manage to be such a great nation with so many wing nuts
What exactly has BO done to generate such bizarre reactions..
The people who keep confusing ‘citizenship’ with being a ‘Natural Born Citizen’ are doing this on purpose because they have no logical argument with which to make their case. They try to ignor the difference or pretend that those who understand the difference are somehow being racist.
Regardless of what lies you can up with (previous presidents not being eligible etc.) the FACT remains his father was British and he was born a Dual Citizen – which is not ENOUGH to be President.
He has spent his entire time RUNNING from the facts and calling everyone who challenges him names. So far, on this forum, all I have seen are insults and obviously flawed comments which try to equate Citizenship to being Natural Born.
The fact is our founding father realized that because we were a nation of mostly new imigrants the OFFICE of the President required a special type of Citizen. This is the ONLY job in the world for which being NATURAL BORN is a requirement. Obviously being Natural Born is therefor not the same as being a citizen.
Being Natural Born means HAVING TWO parents who were citizens at the childs births (neither parents need to be Natual Born). Does this make sense? Thank you.
The only exception is if you were born prior to the signing of the constution – which Obama was not. There is a case to be made that there may have been a previous President who was not eligible. Trust me we know about them (him). That is NO excuse to allow someone else any more than one can excuse Murder because others have done it and not been convicted.
Obama further distinguishes himself by the manner in which he hates the US and would like to make the US part of a World Government – he is the text book example of what the founders worried about when they made the requirement to be Natural Born.
Please – if you read this post – try to FOCUS on the requirement – which is NATURAL BORN. Discussions about plain old citizenship are totally irrelevant and simply prove you to be laking in basic understanding – or you are simply part of the problem.
FINAL NOTE – Hi White House bloggers. You guys always give yourself away with your posts. They are always directed at anyone who might see the truth in these posts and never address the facts the poster made. I still have not heard anyone of you figure out how to explain why he is not a Dual Citizen and how he can be both a Dual Citizen and still Eligible. When he is arrested there will be many of you who go with him. Gee, what is the punishment for treason? I can tell you that everything I have posted is 100% true and in no way treasonous. On the other hand, knowingly attempting to spread lies and take over a country illegally is a going to be a big problem for you all. Sadly this issue is polarizing a country which Obama promissed to Unite. He can end all this by allowing the facts to be evaluated – he refuses and thereby incites the types of discussion we see here. NICE JOB OBAMA! You are the worlds biggest fraud and WE ALL KNOW IT. – INCLUDING YOU!
‘When did people start accepting nonsense put on the web as fact.’
Nonsense such as what? The only fact I base my conclusion on is that his father was a British subject. This is not a fact exclusive to the Internet.
The Constitution was around long befor the internet and so was the definition of Natual Born and Dual Citzenship.
Please explain to me which Nonsense you see as not being correct – do you know of a different father?
Do you know of a different Constitution?
Do you know that Dual Citizenship is the same as Natural Born citienship? Then why did the constitution state NATURAL BORN and NOT DUAL or just Citizen?
You post makes no sense – but I am certain you know it.
I can understand the people who side with me, since we are fighting for justice – I will never understand why others would lie to shape the facts unless they are protecting a lie. WHICH MAKES YOU A BAD PERSON. End of story, how do you live with yourself?
In response to Oigal- I notice none of the factual questions a few posts up from this are not answered. By blasting the legitimate questions as nonsense reveals the obfuscation to dig a little deeper into the matter. The pattern of response to intelligent inquiry is very much like the “slaplinsky’s” (a method of degrading taught by Saul Alinsky-Rules for Radicals) you experience for even asking a common sense question.
Let’s take apart a small segment from the previous post of questions and answer them on public forum, shall we?
1. Why spend nearly $2 million (public records of case #’s attorney hours charged etc. are facts) defending exposure of past records?
Would the reason be to waste money?
Would it be to give Robert Bauer more to do as now personal White House lawyer ?
Would it be for fun?
Would it be to waste time in the justice system?
Me, A White House blogger? Ok you got me…I confess. You seem to be content to rule a number of past presidents as unqualified and that’s amusing. However, we are now moving onto natural born?…Which is it? (B0 is of course, natural born but hey…)
Factual questions actually require some facts not unverified numbers or conspiracy theories.
Anyway we have not spend 2 million but 200 million after all building those chopper pads on the back of the white house for the black stealth helicopters is not cheap.
However keep it up, it’s fun to say the least.
Oh as for being a bad person, well it’s a living and the life is good.
Hehe.. White house bloggers stalking Indonesian Matters…classic stuff guys…outstanding!
Oigal, are you a White House blogger? Kim Jong-il won’t be happy if he finds out….
Apparently so, but I have to say the pay sucks! On the other hand if I do good here my next assignment I get to dress as a polar bear and stake out the Palins.
Seriously, these guys are funny and ever so slightly scary at the same time……
Wahahaha! I’m glad I dropped by for a quick look – got a couple of real mad ‘uns here!
Dual – you said somewhere up there “ask the Brits if they think he’s a Brit…”
I will do the honours as a Britisher and assure you that we most certainly do not think he’s British…
In any case, Obama’s father wouldn’t have been a British Citizen; he would have been a citizen of a British overseas dependent territory (or something along those lines) which doesn’t quite amount to full British citizenship. It doesn’t, for example, give you right of abode in the UK…
On the subject of dual citizenship, I think you have got yourself very, very confused. Unlike US citizenship, conferred automatically on newborn babies on US soil, generally speaking dual citizenship isn’t an automatic thing.
A child born, let’s say, to a British father and an American mother, in the US, wouldn’t automatically receive British citizenship. He would be eligible for it if he/his parents later went through the process, but it wouldn’t be automatic… I think you’ve confused citizenship with something else here… something… um… race, perhaps?
Even supposing Obama’s father was a FULL British citizen, unless Obama later went through the process of applying for British citizenship, he would remain nothing more that what he was at birth – a single nationality US citizen…
And the other mental guy:
7. What passport did he have going to Pakistan?
This is my favourite one, and I love the way it keeps coming up. I assume that he visited Pakistan on his US passport, buddy. Pakistan has been a nominal US ally for a long while; there has never been any restriction on US passport-holders visiting Pakistan. Before Obama was out of short trousers there were hundreds of American hippies with American passports trailing through Pakistan en route for India, and hundreds more American expats, peace corps people, and sundry others living and working there on US passports. Last year I spent some time travelling in Pakistan with an AMERICAN CITIZEN TRAVELLING ON A US PASSPORT (he was an USAF veteran too – that’s right pal, a HERO, who’d done battle with the evil-doers in Afghanistan. I showed him this thread, which was already rolling then, and he was deeply depressed by the banal pig-ignorance of his countrymen)…
But do keep going; it’s funny…
The one thing that amazes me the most, is based on performance thus far it would be those of the left and other similar groups who would be most (should be) most disappointed in BO. With the exception of health care which still leaves the USA behind most developed(?) nations nothing much has changed since the oil cabal ran the show. In fact, most programs have been ramped up…go figure.
Personally I think he is well under qualified for the position but that is based on the sad system of patronage and favors that rules out the truly exceptional in favor of the connected, the glib and the superficial not some barely hidden race bias.
Sad really…Really thought the USA had the chance to resieze the light on the hill,but it turned out to be the same old burning cross that is proving to flicker n stink despite having fewer and fewer of the white sheets to feed it…..Still not time yet I guess
Aww Come on guys….The White House pays us by the post.
That is correct. He is a illegal Alien who is president of the United states until he is impeached and most likely imprisoned or executed for 4 acts of treason.Not to mention putting lobbyist in our government.An paying off bankers big bucks of tax payers money.Then trying to get big businesses to take over the United State an selling off our territory to foreign nations.
As well as buying their businesses and companies on tax payers dollars from the USA.Not to mention his gross love of Illegal immigration in to the United States and support for the industrial military complex.
Then you would have to also blame the stupid people who live in the United States and illegal immigrants from South American Claiming their Mexican.As well as the Mexicans coming in to the United States voting for Barry as president.When no one could even prove he was a citizen.We all saw his fake birth certificate.
Yet no one in Federal office chooses to remove him from his seat immediately. He should have already been handcuffed and dragged off to prison the second they couldn’t verify his citizenship.
Thanks Warsun, I was beginning to think you blokes only came out with the full moon. I do like the bit were you have mexicans who are not mexicans being illegal aliens..Let me guess…it’s those sneaky Kenyans..
Gee, get over it, A black man won the election ..
Thanks Oigal –
You have illustrated the total lack ‘evidence’ proving Obama is eligible. Let’s take a look at your FACTS –
1) Insults pretaining to a full moon – original but not proof he is eligible
2) Straying off the topic discussing Mexicans and Kenyans
3) Racist accusation – the cherry on the top – still not proof of anything.
4) ABSENT is any discussion of him being NATURAL BORN and qualified.
On the other hand –
The US state department has PUBLISHED their conclusion that he was born a DUAL citizen. This is 100% TRUE based on the FACT that Obama has told us who his father was – not some internet rumor and due to the laws in effect then and currently.
There is NO question that a person BORN a DUAL citizen is NOT NATURAL BORN.
People who would like to know WHY he can be and remains President have and excellent point.
You do not have any facts to support your position – go figure. Perhaps this is why you must call people names. Those who matter (who can read) know the truth is easy to spot – and so are lies and name calling.
Let us know when you find a different father for Obama – that is what it will take to make him eligible. He knows this better than anyone – you are his b*tch doing his dirty work. LOL
US State Department determined he was a Dual Citizen at birth
That is the end of the story. Now all that remains is for someone to call him on it and remove him from office. Hello. This is not even a debate anymore.
… the State Department author confirmed Obama was a dual citizen of the U.K. and the U.S. from 1961 to 1963 and a dual citizen of Kenya and the U.S. from 1963 to 1982, because his father was a Kenyan citizen when Obama was born in 1961.
NATURAL BORN CITIZEN is the requirement (you even have had to live in this country for a number years! – to be certain even a Natural Born citizen had no aligiance to another country)
Native born is not enough
US Citizen is not enough
Naturalized Citizen is not enough
Dual Citizen is not enough
Thanks Dual, other commentators have already pointed out your inability to grasp the concept both legal and otherwise of dual citizenship..but thanks for dropping in…
Do feel free to provide any references you may have to make more fun, oh and WND …laugh
Oh and on the loon website WND, why did you not mention the author of the article other loony conspiracy theories, oil is made by chemical reactions, the world plan to take over the USA etc etc..hehehe.
For anyone else who wants a giggle search corsi and conspiracies ..it’s a hoot!
Oh – other commentators have pointed that out, eh? And their typing is somehow magical and convincing? You make ME laugh – that is not an insult.
Again you provide no facts, only jokes and insults. It is very telling.
I am a Dual Citizen so I totally grasp the legal aspects. That aside our US state department has declared him to have been born a dual citizen – so there is no way he can be Natural Born.
Care to actually explain how he is not a DUAL citizen OR how he is Natural Born anyway?
Have a nice day.
BTW – WND presents many ideas and information which are not only true but verifiable. Again, the article you mention has nothing to do with the question of Obama’s dual citizenship or the definition of Natural Born.
You are dishonest in your approach to this debate. Honor is something you seem to not understand. If you want to discuss this subject further I suggest you base some of what you say on facts not random insults. I am not impressed.
Obama is a DUAL citizen at best. No way he can ever be Natural Born. End of story.
Come up with a sensible argument next time and no more insults. I do not ever insult you (it would be too simple).
I challenge you to prove to me Obama was not declared by the US state department to be a DUAL citizen AND that one can be NATURAL BORN AND A DUAL AT THE SAME TIME.