He’ll go down in history as the biggest joke ever on America. He’s not qualified to be president if he in fact was born in Kenya. He’s doesn’t have the same ideals as an American citizen has and, doesn’t have the welfare of the country at heart with any new policies he makes. Anyone who doesn’t like America can start laughing and, continue until he’s out of office
Still no Constitutional scholar or expert has supported the so called “De Vattel” theory that an NBC meant that a person had to have 2 citizen parents. An interview with Ron Rotunda, conservative and definately not a supporter of Obama stated in regards to Orly’s implication that he supported her efforts to remove the President of the United States shows that not only is he not a supporter or Orly, he disagrees with the so called Vattel theory and believes the President is eligible.
From the article….
Page 19 now, let’s go for 20, wingnuts!
“Odinius”…. GROW UP IDIOT!
… this thread always gives me a good chuckle … i think i’ll contribute for it to reach its 20-page mark … go wingnuts, go!
Come on, Ben White…you’ll have to do better than that if you want to reach page 20. Please, I’m sure everyone who posts regularly on this Indonesia-focused blog will be dying for the sequel to your last pair of brilliant posts, particularly the one where you decided–without, apparently, informing the US government–that Indonesia’s laws on dual citizenship affect the relationship between the US government and its individual citizens.
A U.S. citizen may acquire foreign citizenship by marriage, or a person naturalized as a U.S. citizen may not lose the citizenship of the country of birth.U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one citizenship or another. Also, a person who is automatically granted another citizenship does not risk losing U.S. citizenship. However, a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may lose U.S. citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship.
Intent can be shown by the person’s statements or conduct.
Now, how a child mananged to apply for foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship” is beyond me.
But please, keep ‘em coming: it’s exactly that kind of basic factual inaccuracy and logical jello-mold this thread needs most!
for Purba Negoro, it’s not that we love the Jew so much it’s that there’s only one religion that I know of in this world whose extremists shout death to the infidels. We only have one religion to fear and, hate the extremists that belong to and, that’s Islam. Therefore we will root for the Jews as it’s the extremists muslims that want to wipe them out. Other religions say live and, let live. But, not the islamic extremists. If more muslims banded together to fight against their own extremists then Islam would have a higher tolerance level. Get it?
Don’t forget the Christians. The Christian extremists also shout death to infidels. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Crusades 2.0 come about during my lifetime.
If there’s one religion the extremist Christians hate the most, it’s Islam. And, now that Islam is on it’s way to becoming the dominant world religion, all the extremist Christians are getting their war gear on.
BTW, I was born and raised Christian and I can look around me and see first hand what I’m talking about. Prove to me that the guy next to me in class didn’t say about the Muslims: “They all should just die, then there wouldn’t be any problems, only Christians. And, that’s exactly what will happen when Jesus comes back!”
Extremist Christians are every bit as scary as any other extremist nut.
doesn’t have the welfare of the country at heart with any new policies he makes
Which policies exactly Bill? He has maintained the majority of Bush era foreign policies concepts and his domestic policies are pretty much in line with what the Dems as a party have pushed for years. Any specifics in the rant?
Obamanation is a complete Fraud, he is a Fraud to This Great Country, and a Fraud to the Democratic Party of United States. The Democrats are so hardup for leadership, they would follow Hitler, if it got them in Power. They have come pretty close. Obamanation’s total occupation is Eliminating, what he hates the Most, The American Way of Life. The Communists are in our midst, without having fired a Shot. This was promised over 60 years ago.
Now it is up to You America, to get rid of the filth that has enveloped our Great Country.
As long as we have the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, Nothing will ever destroy this Great Nation. We got rid of the Red Coats Once, we can surely re-do History. We have the Practice…Blessed Be. Ryan Santos, American
Key the Banjos..
I love how everyone thinks it would be a constitutional crisis and the U.S would come to an end. Give me a break. No one is so important or irreplaceable and all laws signed in by BO can be declared null an void over night. Thank God, I’m not a Harvard grad, but it doesn’t take one to lead and direct such a transition. I could do it fairly and constitutionally in my sleep. It doesn’t take a genius to bring all of the people to justice and to declare the laws null and void.
Why would one want to declare all laws null and void, what is the justification? Is that all legislation during the administration or just the ones you don’t like Brian? How would you handle the raft of law suits and claims from business and people who have spent billions of dollars based on complaince with recent government legislation.
Just as a matter of interest, what LAW exactly did BO on his own rather than the elected members of the USA government. Pretty sure the President doesn’t wander in and just plonk down a new law on his own?
Yup…can see nothing going wrong with this plan….
I’m disappointed that, after all this time, we’re still only on page 19. Wingnuts: you have to try harder!
I do try and keep them going Ody..but it’s like herding chickens.
The man in question, his father is not a natural born american.
John Jay wrote: “Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and reasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.”
The idea was to keep foreign spys, agents and subversives from holding a key leg of the national government via parents who had no real stake in the land.
Cosmopolitans and Internationalists love the idea of foriegn nationals holding office in this land. But, the court calls the point moot (falling upon their old ‘political question’ saw, no doubt) This land is a mess, beyond repair and now who cares? This land is part of international business, doubt it not. An examination of Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports from the municipal corporation where your body is (city, county state) will show who your masters are, and that you are nothing but a thrall of a facist corporate state. Now get back to work, slave.
his father is not a natural born american
How about grandkids then…?(You do know that John Jay’s grandfather was French right?).
I hope you are not a Catholic “EW” as John Jay also advocated that no Catholic should ever hold public office. It seems that there is whole swag of people JJ considered not suitable for public office which makes for a pretty weird democracy.
That also means the founding fathers of US should almost to a man be considered as you say
foreign spys, agents and subversives
“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
Perhaps the highest ideals of the USA as opposed to what we so often see here..
However, Keep em coming, we love em
Oigal, don’t put it past these guys to also want to bar Catholics from office. Probably city dwellers and intellectuals would come next.
Hmm, this is starting to sound familiar, isn’t it…
I can’t help but wonder if Barack Obama would enjoy the same rockstar status in Indonesia if he were a white guy who grew up and got his early education in Jakarta and if his middle name wasn’t Husein.
ET…eeer I think not..:-)
Ody..Barring Catholics..Well that would be returning to the old traditions of US politics the nutters do so seem to hold as the golden age of the USA..along with lynchings, witchhunts and BBQ’s in white sheets..
Thats the trouble with the tolerant ones..not really much difference at all..
Wow… Obama’s grandmother pray for Barack Obama, during hajj in Saudi Arabia, hoping that one day he will convert to islam:
barack hussein obama which means the blessed handsome crook which is very much true about him is is a crook a liar and not a us born citizen, he also used a foreign scholarship to go to Harvard, now if he was a real us citizen how did he use a foreign scholarship. also a teacher from Indonesia said he was a citizen there and his real name was berry Scetoro so which is it obama or Scetoro how can one man legally have two names how come when i apply for a job i have to show proof of citizenship aka birth certificate ssn and card but when a 1/2 black man who isn’t even a real citizen, and runs for present doesn’t. racism in America against the whites that’s what i think.
… why hasn’t the page turned to number 20 yet? … come on now …
Obama is a Saudi plant to tear down the United States. Be prepared to be gathered up and killed. Unless you’re one of the 500,000 in the world chose to be spared. Don’t argue with me, you’ll see. It doesn’t matter if you believe me or not. It’s already in motion thanks to the elite and uneducated liberal self abusive self destructive morons.
IF YOU GET BARRACK OBAMA,,,,,IN A ONE ON ONE SITTING, AND TALK TO HIM ABOUT
THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,,HE HARDLY KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT IT. !!!!!!!!!!
I DON’T THINK HE COULD TELL YOU,,WHO BABE RUTH,,PETE ROSE OR MICKEY MANTLE ,,,, ARE.
HAS ANYBODY EVER HEARD HIM TALK ABOUT A SUBJECT IN DEPTH ABOUT
ANTYTRHING IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY,,WITHOUT EITHER HIS HANDLERS BEING CLOSE BY,,OR HIM HOLDING A HANDFULL OF NOTES OR READING FROM A TELE-PROMPTER.
THE ANSWER IS NO,,,,,,,NO,,,,,,,NO,,,,,,NO !!!!!!!!!!
ARREST HIM AND THROW HIM OUT OF THE COUNTRY,
HE IS NOT OUR PRESIDENT,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,AND MOST OF ALL NOT A CITIZEN
ARREST HIM AND THROW HIM OUT OF THE COUNTRY,
HE IS NOT OUR PRESIDENT,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,AND MOST OF ALL NOT A CITIZEN
Hey Mike Hall,
What’s your opinion of the Israeli deliberate rocket attack on USS Liberty in 73 in the Med with nearly 50 navy personal incinerated? Come on look it up and give me an honest opinion.
Obama has not deviated by one iota from any President since LBJ inacted civil rights legislation. So get real and study a real conspiracy the ‘poodle-lisation’ of US foreign policy to the whims of Israel which even permaeates to its military. Dozens of brave US patriots murdered and many former Officers now proclaiming fraternity with a foreign power.
Absolute insanity and traitorous to boot!
The United States State Department has stated, without any doubt, that Obama was born a Dual Citizen. One is only born once – and it is impossible to be born a Dual Citizen AND also be Natural Born (not ever to be confused with Native Born).
Our own State Department has therefor made it very clear that Obama was not Natural Born. End of story. Now all that remains is for someone to act on it.
It is like the building is on fire, everyone agrees it is on fire and yet we all pretend if we just watch the fire will go out on its own or like the fire is a good thing!
It does not matter if O was born in the White House on national TV, as long as his father was a British subject the day O was born he was born a Dual Citizen. We all know who his father was – there is no question about it. The Birth Certificate is a giant smoke screen.
He is still a Dual citizen as far as anyone can see. Even Arnold Schwarzenegger has at least sworn an oath to this country when he became naturalized – Obama could not even be called on to defend the flag – if he was drafted he could just claim his British birthright.
To summarize – there are several types of citizenship the US recognizes (nothing to do with the laws of foreign powers)
Natural Born (both parents are US citizens – natural born or naturalized at time of birth) – the location of the birth is not even relevant as the Congress showed with John McCain.
Naturalized – Foreigner takes an oath and becomes a citizen
Dual – One parent US citizen and the other not (fathers citizenship being historically more important)
These three types are mutually exclusive – you can not be more than one!
Per the United States State Department Obama is a Dual Citizen – totally ineligible to be President. I doubt we will see him run for a second term. He should be in prision if this is correct (which it is).
Cheers all you fools who keep defending him and attacking honest Americans who understand the facts. 2+2 = 4 in the US.
I challenge any Obama defender to show me the State Department considers him to have been Natural Born. Ask the man himself – he will not respond.
Wake up to the facts. You are the Useful Idiots of the past if you continue to defend his status.
Nice to see the characters are back, we have missed the laughs. However you really do some research rather than relying on cheat notes from Billy Bob Tech.
Mike nice to see you here as well, if I understand this right, it I can tell you Babe Ruth, Mantle and Rose were players in a boring game called Baseball who played in something called a World Series (that only the USA took part in) then I can be President ..how great is that.
Of course, you may be right I have never sat down one on one with the prez for chat over a couple of whatever you call beers over there. If must have been a very interesting time for you.
As for the interesting world you live in, I am not sure on the citizenship issues there but on this planet..
Children born on U.S. soil automatically acquire American citizenship for life. The 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution guarantees USA citizenship at birth to almost all individuals born in the U.S. or in U.S. jurisdictions, according to the principle of Jus Soli.
You can also find the actual explanation of Dual Citizenship (no it does not apply to BO) on the USA GOVT Immigration website..
oh an just for fun…
A child born abroad out-of-wedlock to a U.S. citizen mother may acquire USA citizenship if the mother was a U.S. citizen at the time of the child’s birth, and if the mother had previously been physically present in the U.S. or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year.
A child born abroad, to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent, acquires USA citizenship at birth provided the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the period required by the law applicable at the time of the child’s birth.
Keep em coming folks, we love em.
I love how you talk about citizenship but don’t dare to say he is natural born. I never question his birth or his citizenship. THE US (that is the United States) State Department ruled recently he (Obama) was a dual citizen at birth (so am I).
End of story, I don’t care where he was born or if he is a citizen. He is not natural born, he is a dual citizen. If you can explain why the State Department is wrong and how you can be both Natural born and a Dual citizen knock yourself out. I for one am too tired to argue with someone who does not even know the most basic terms being discussed. Nice smokescreen though, if I were 5 years old. Some are not as dumb as you think. You will never convince me unless you can find another father for Obama.
Cheers – get a new hobby you understand.
I will never understand why (how) people who know nothing and get the facts wrong (on purpose) spend time on these forums (unless they have some other employer paying them to spread these lies.)
Time for real americans to stand up and insist on the truth.