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John5252 says:
April 16th, 2010 at 7:57 amYou guys do know that the KKK is Democratic? Look up Byrd.
and if this is an indonesian based website, why don’t you guys speak indonese and stop egging people on.
I am not a “birther” just a normal rational person and right now there is more evidence of barack not being a natural citizen than there is evidence of him being a natural citizen.
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Oigal says:
April 16th, 2010 at 10:31 amif this is an indonesian based website, why don’t you guys speak indonese and stop egging people on.
Well we keep egging you on because you guys are seriously amusing in your delusional conspiracy theories. We don’t speak “indonese” because there is no such thing for a start, where on earth do you guys go to school?
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Odinius says:
April 19th, 2010 at 12:14 amOigal said:
where on earth do you guys go to school?
Apparently, the land of unicorns, faery dust, hilariously tortured political fantasies and non-existent languages.
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Oigal says:
April 20th, 2010 at 10:21 amAww where have the Obama Wammers gone..I need a giggle.
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Fashion watch says:
April 20th, 2010 at 4:36 pmIt does not matter where he was born, BECAUSE HIS MOTHER WAS A UNITED STATES CITIZEN. This means he was born a natural citizen because his mother was a natural born citizen. Get the f*** over it you White Supremacist S.o.B. Go to your KKK meeting.
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April 20th, 2010 at 4:37 pmThey’re so clueless they probably don’t even know this is an Indonesia-focused blog. But they sure are funny!
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April 20th, 2010 at 10:09 pmUm…Fashion week, you’re supposed to put things other people have already written in quotes, you know.
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David says:
April 20th, 2010 at 10:21 pmDoh, just realised what he’s doing, sprinkling the site with fake comments in order to get links to his website which I guess is called “Fashion watch” but the dumbo hasn’t realised that he’s not getting any links because there’s no ‘url’ field in the comments area, and gee… I think I’ll just delete them.
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April 20th, 2010 at 10:37 pmHe took my comments twice, so should I feel special? Dirty?
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Ross says:
April 21st, 2010 at 10:53 amI’d been too busy to notice this side-debate was still alive.
The probel with you Obama fans is that you don’t ackowledge his duplicity in almost every area, not least his comradeship in very recent years with the terrorist Ayers and his admin’s go-easy policy on the neo-nazi New Black Panther Party.
Racism and terrorism are not great recommendations, and Americans, whatever twist you put on the opinion polls, have already shown, in Massachusettts, that they are waking up to the Great Deceiver.
Further inspection of his background – despite the establishment media’s cover-ups – will expand the disillusion, hopefully before he has time to fix the Supreme Court. Apparently he’s currently considering appointing a lesbian, just to show he can do it. -
Oigal says:
April 21st, 2010 at 11:57 amThe probel with you Obama fans
Ross, you missing the point I for instance am no more Obama fan than a Rudd fan both political disasters. However, seriously have you been reading the comments from some of these people. All we need is a couple of creationists to weigh-in and it would make my day.
Besides didn’t you notice that no-one counts unless they have been Born Again and Indonese. This has hardly been a thread on rational political debate but if you want to throw your lot in with the birther mob fell ya boots.
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Ross says:
April 21st, 2010 at 9:59 pmWell, Oigal, I did misso out on this debate until yesterday, preoccupied with my novel and enjoying life in Jakarta.
However, I have skimmed back and while you may be correct in some of your critique of our American posters, they do make many valid points. Not least Obama’s record of duplicity and weaseling out when straight answers are needed.
He has been up to his neck in ‘palling around with terrorists,’ as Sarah Palin accurately described his relationship with the evil Ayers. And he clearly favours violence used for political advantage, hence his ‘Justice’ Department’s cosying up to the black nazis in that Panther Party voter-intimidation case.
And the birth certificate issue won’t go away just because Odinius thinks it should. The real certificate may exist…or not. Obama is in the White House and could get hold of it if he didn’t have something to hide. Odinius also says there are no MIAs but if he bought my 2009 novel, he’d have reams of notes to make him think again. The honest officer put in charge of the enquiry resigned in disgust at the obstruction he faced.
I don’t trust Obama, but nor do I trust many governments,
Anyway, the Yanks (and Rebs) who have taken an interest in this IM thread should be made welcome. I darn sure would not despise somebody because he takes a different stand on matters of religion (e.g. evolution, or abortion, or anything else.)
At least they are being forthright, which is more than Obama has been about HIS religion!) -
silvercrosswarrior says:
April 21st, 2010 at 10:46 pmHe has produced a birth certification not a birth certificate.He didnt win the election because he cant be a candidate for the office,because He doesn’t meet the qualifications.The registra of deeds from Mombosa,Kenya shows that he was born their on August 4 1961.
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April 21st, 2010 at 10:52 pmOigal’s absolutely right. It’s instructive that John McCain, Romney, the Republican leadership in Congress and the RNC have all come out and said that the birthers are looney-tunes. This has nothing to do with whether you like Obama or not, and everything to do with whether you choose to believe in far-fetched conspiracy theories based on conjecture, irrational hatred of center-left presidents and a severe lack of knowledge about US Constitutional Law.
Generally speaking, it doesn’t take a partisan to know conspiracy theories are ridiculous. After all, you didn’t have to like Bush to know the 9/11 ‘truthers’ were bonkers. They were, among other things, the moonbat equivalents to these wingnuts.
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Ross says:
April 21st, 2010 at 11:53 pmBefore we continue this fascinating exchange, perhaps Odinius could enlighten us on the difference, and origin, of terms of abuse such as ‘wingnuts’ and ‘moonbats.’ Had a discussion on the former today and the only explanation for its current usage was a suggestion that students with protruding ears got picked in at school.
Then perhaps Odinius could enlighten us on his stance vis-a-vis Obama’s terrorist links and protection of black nazi thugs.
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Oigal says:
April 22nd, 2010 at 10:05 amRoss you are still linking your political opinion with these (albeit amusing) nutters. You do yourself and your hard arse right position a disservice. The right or even far right (or left) have a view point that is generally supported (from their perspective) by facts but the majority of these comments…sheesh. I would suggest this is not case of “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”.
Perhaps I can help with definition of moonbat
HE IS A COMMIE PIG AND IMPEACH HIM AND ALL HIS CRONIES..
This of course is problematic if he is also a secret Muslim as you (?) and so many other wish to infer.
Any person who has NOT been BORN AGAIN will NOT enter into the Kingdom of Heaven !!! . .
“You Must Be Born Again” !!!Ok so now not only is he not born in the right place, but he is also not “Born Again” the pool of candidates just shrunk considerably
HIDE IN THE CORNER AND WATCH !!! . . . There’s going to be a Democrat Exodus from the Federal Government of Biblical Proportions. . . THIS, . . YOU CAN BELIEVE IN !!!
Uh uh…Well probably not much need to comment on this…..
The fatal flaw of Indonesia Matters is that one person, through a host of characters, attempts to control all thought and legitimate expressions of free thought on this site
Indeed… Its me Obama here..got you!!
The registra of deeds from Mombosa,Kenya shows that he was born their on August 4 1961.
Ah yes, My name is Col. Omdan Culaatta… I am in charge of the First National Kenyan Bank..I have 100000000USD to share with you my trusted friend…
This was just from the last couple of pages but there were so many to choose from.
Anyway, the Yanks (and Rebs) who have taken an interest in this IM thread should be made welcome. I darn sure would not despise somebody because he takes a different stand on matters of religion (e.g. evolution, or abortion, or anything else.
Absolutely, more than welcome. In fact, I have left several comments expressing sadness that they had left. I think despise is an overreaction, I find the great majority amusing in sad and scary way. I do however reserve the right to hold in contempt those absolute racist twits that pop up amongst the generally harmless conspiracy fans.
If you want to make it a little more rational, perhaps you could enlighten me about what is so evil that Obama is doing that is going to cause the fall of the USA. I must admit, I have not really paid that much attention to USA domestic issues as they have little interest to me. If we could move past the normal “we hate the left” because they tend support such social issues as universal healthcare, immigrants relief etc etc that would be better. These are pretty standard issues of the left the world over and hardly Obama only. Seems to me the Sems are just Republicans Lite.
As an aside the The birth law is an arse anyway, who shouldn’t an immigrant citizen be president? It’s a nonsense, are these twits suggesting the Arnie is not a loyal citizen.
Lastly, I really do hope they keep coming…..really!
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Oigal says:
April 22nd, 2010 at 10:06 ammmm…I can almost see the foaming lips and trembling typing now (no not you Ross, I have you marginally more stable)
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Ross says:
April 22nd, 2010 at 11:05 amThanks, Oigal, for that last. And I agree with you that Patung is probably not typing up your posts and mine even as we have our mornng coffee. Though I do wonder about those wierd posts from the so-called Brand. (P is very protective of AB, so we should monitor this carefully!)
I do tend to follow US internal politics, and share many Americans’ concerns. It is no more my business than are Indonesian politics, but it is the most powerful country in the world, hence of concern to everybody.
For starters, the prospect of enfranchising 10 million plus illegals to benefit Obama’s party is most alarming. I don’t think most Americans have a problem with legal immigration, it’s the queue-jumping and subsequent arrogant, pushy demands by those criminal elements for ‘rights’ that gets folks riled up.l
Obama is the most extreme President ever, surely. We can return to him over the weekend and address his many questionable aspects then, but Thursday is my usual night out, so must conserve my energies. Have a happy.
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Oigal says:
April 22nd, 2010 at 11:12 amAnd I agree with you that Patung is probably not typing up your posts and mine even as we have our mornng coffee
Huh
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Ross says:
April 22nd, 2010 at 11:24 amUh uh…Well probably not much need to comment on this…..
The fatal flaw of Indonesia Matters is that one person, through a host of characters, attempts to control all thought and legitimate expressions of free thought on this site
Indeed… Its me Obama here..got you
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That’s what I was referring to. You put forward B Husein, but surely Patung is a more likely candidate. (never mind, pre-noon humour is maybe not a good idea!) -
Oigal says:
April 22nd, 2010 at 11:35 amRoss was saying that that is silly.
Indeed and so we all agree..wow..time to buy a tatts ticket!
Sorry I did in fact miss the attempt at humour..although looking back its pretty funny! Sometimes not the sharpest tool in the shed..(yeh yeh…down youse blokes!)
Ari, just gets a bit personal and nasty for my taste, I mean thats fine (witness Assmad and myself) but you don’t get to pretend its a rational educated response at the same time. They are somewhat mutually exclusive styles of discussion.
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April 22nd, 2010 at 10:24 pmRoss,
Before we continue this fascinating exchange, perhaps Odinius could enlighten us on the difference, and origin, of terms of abuse such as ‘wingnuts’ and ‘moonbats.’ Had a discussion on the former today and the only explanation for its current usage was a suggestion that students with protruding ears got picked in at school.
Wingnuts is used to describe the crazies on the right, e.g.
Moonbats is a term to describe the crazies on the left, e.g.
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April 22nd, 2010 at 10:47 pm@Patung: is that a photo of Arie?
I think he has a lot of interesting things to say; he’s just gets too touchy when people argue with him. Even when I don’t agree with him (e.g. on Dutch colonialism), he brings a lot of knowledge to the table. I appreciate that, and have learned some interesting stuff from his posts. I just wish he were more open to opposing opinions.
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April 22nd, 2010 at 11:30 pmI’m just guessing it is, found on Google Images, from this page – http://static.rnw.nl/migratie/www.wereldomroep.nl/actua/dossier/mijnwereldnieuws/act20070220_wereldnieuws-redirected
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Ross says:
April 23rd, 2010 at 1:20 amYeah, Odinius, but WHY dd these terms come about?
And why is Patung so dead cert on protecting AB? He has no humour, no readiness to debate, no nothing. Except an over-weening arrogance which is not merited by his intellect. -
April 23rd, 2010 at 2:30 amRoss,
Both apparently started off as generic put-downs for radicals, extreme partisans, nutjobs and the like, but over time came to associated with the right (wingnuts) or left (moonbats).
This is probably because wingnuts sounds more aggressive–and right-wing extremists are historically more aggressive in the United States–while moonbats sounds more loopy–and left-wing extremists are historically more loopy in the United States.
E.g.
Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin = wingnuts
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Oigal says:
April 23rd, 2010 at 9:55 amI have to admit I do enjoy watching Fox now, and love the Beck Conspiracy Show. Just goes to show a drunk, can be amusing.
Also love the way no show goes more than 3 minutes without flicking to something else, must be to cater for the short attention span of its die hard viewers.
For real news John Steward is the go although not as funny as Beck.
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Oigal says:
April 23rd, 2010 at 10:03 amOl Ari is a classic example of arrogance of the so called academic experts. Invariably, they have some (or a lot) of science on their side but by treating other people with distain condemn their viewpoint to the dustbin of history.
What these people fail to realise is that the commonman has little reason to trust such people if they are going to talk down them and obviously view them as second class citizens.
There is a huge difference between being educated and acquiring knowledge.
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April 23rd, 2010 at 10:38 pmPlenty of academics do not treat other people with disdain.
As for Glenn Beck…I’m still unsure whether he’s sincere or its just a character he’s playing. Not for laughs, like Stephen Colbert, because he’s passing himself off as serious and isn’t making ironic commentary on the lunatic fringe. But I do wonder whether it’s a reflection of his own views or if he figured he could get ahead by acting in a certain way.
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STARMAN says:
April 27th, 2010 at 7:19 amI SMELL CIA ALL OVER THIS ….. HIS GRANDFATHER LOOKED CIA
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