Judicial Review Cases, UU Porno

Mar 3rd, 2009, in News, by

Educating the public about the pornography bill and legal challenges against UU Porno at the Constitutional Court.

Socialization

On 30th October 2008 the controversial pornography bill (UU Pornografi, text in Indonesian and English translation) was passed by the parliament.

On 9th December 2008 president Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono (SBY) signed it into law, after having examined it and found that it guaranteed freedom of expression and protected traditional customs, according to spokesman Andi Mallarangeng. okezone

Information minister Muhammad Nuh said the government would begin a program of “socialization”, i.e. educating the public about the law, particularly in areas where opposition to it was centred, they being in non-Muslim majority provinces like Bali, North Sulawesi, Papua, NTT, and in tourism oriented Yogyakarta. suarasurabaya

Conservative backers of the law such as the Regent of Karanganyar, Priantono Jarot Nugroho, asked the government to get busy with the socialization program, to prevent the current moral degradation in the country from worsening. antara

Muhammad Nuh stated that the law clearly protected traditional rites and forms of dress (Article 3), as well as personal privacy. Koteka (penis sheath) wearing Papuans and Sundanese jaipong dancers had nothing to fear, because these things were part of indigenous culture. He welcomed any judicial challenges to the law. kompas

Judicial Review

The Governor of Bali, I Made Mangku Pastika, said in late December 2008 that he would support any effort to challenge the law at the Constitutional Court in Jakarta, and that local government agencies would be put to work to help prepare any legal challenge. vivanews

Cirylus Bau Engo of the Nusa Tenggara Timur (NTT) parliament said people in NTT did not want the law applied in the province and that the way out of the problem was appealing against it at the Constitutional Court. gatra

Andrikus Mofu of the Persekutuan Gereja-gereja in West Papua, a church organisation, told DPR chairman Agung Laksono in November that the PGG would sponsor a class action against the law. okezone

However as of writing the only case against the Pornography bill to have come before the Mahkamah Konstitusi, briefly, emanates from North Sulawesi/Manado, where a dozen or so church and Minahasa cultural groups attempted to bring a case on February 22nd in Jakarta, specifically against Article 1, on the (loose) definition of pornography, Article 4, on the production and distribution of pornographic materials, and Article 10, on the banning of public performances thought pornographic. vivanews

However the justices decided that the legal standing of the challenge was not clear and declined to hear the case. Justice Maria Farida Indriati said

You all come from Minahasa groups but in your plea you talk about Papuan and Betawi people, who are you actually representing?

Justice Akil Mochtar advised them to bring the case as individual citizens of Indonesia, not as representatives of social organisations, and to clear up the basic errors in the submission, and then try again at a later date. kompas


187 Comments on “Judicial Review Cases, UU Porno”

  1. avatar Cukurungan says:

    Whether the UU Pornography was passed through a democratic process, legally or not, is now for the Constitutional Court to find out. One of the reasons a Constitution exists is to protect minorities against the possible tyranny of a contingent majority.

    There is no tyrany mayority against the minority in here because we are the brown people are the good people, I think it is much better for you to study Pancasila rather than blabering your mouth to teach fish how to swim. Why you do not take look condition of your own country…and tell me ….why you escape to here…..it must be very hard to you to make approach upon little boy in your country.

    No one has objection to UU pornography in Indonesia except :

    1) Germo
    2) Pelacur
    3) Pedhophili
    4) Bencong and Homo

    FULL STOP

  2. avatar schmerly says:

    Hello!! Chuckie’s back in town! spouting the same old, same old.

    I think it is much better for you to study Pancasila

    I can’t seem to find anything in the Pancasila related to the new pornography laws! perhaps you could point me in the right direction?

    Also I think you’ll find a lot of perfectly normal and educated people, are against these laws so look into it a bit more yea! before you go calling them:

    1) Germo
    2) Pelacur
    3) Pedhophili
    4) Bencong and Homo

    I’ve noticed in almost all your posts you mention, little boys! I’m beginning to wonder about you.

  3. avatar Lairedion says:

    Cukurungan,

    You should study Pancasila in stead of Arab culture or is the reward of pearly boys in Allah’s paradise too tempting?

  4. avatar Rob says:

    @ DoOs_101…

    The arrogance of youth (assuming you are a 15-year-old or whatever it is that you claim to be, I myself am a 12-year-old girl masquerading as a nearly 40-year-old man).

    Is the USA really the No.1 democracy in the world? What is democracy in your view and why does that make the USA No.1?

    On the pornography law. It is simplistic to say that because the parliament passed the law that this means the majority of Indonesians support it. If pressed you would probably find a large number of apathetic responses to a survey on the matter as they consider that the law will not impact them in any way.

    So, in that sense, yes the law was passed within the framework of the procedures that apply for the passage of such laws through the parliament. It is also true that there are mechanisms provided to test whether a law such as this one stands up to scrutiny in a constitutional sense. The judicial review process is underway and this process will determine which parts, if any, of the law breach constitutional protections, and repeal them if they are so found.

    I am not sure that I would be labeling other people’s postings here as lacking in critical substance or content, when my own arguments are steeped in anecdotal generalities.

    On this front,

    @ mbak sri, bored? I’ll make a tyranny out of your boredome untill you’re convinced that you’re wrong, or simply bail out. Yeah now you get what I’m doing.

    I think you will find numerous posters will to take you up on this, and kid or not will go hammer and tong to slap you down. Perhaps with a little mature you will come to understand that generally those who resort to personal attacks are usually trying to disguise the deficiencies in their own arguments. Something to think about…

  5. avatar doos_101 says:

    So a democratic constitution requires a strong man to make it effective? That’s a new kind of democracy to me. I thought constitutions were there to protect us against strong men.
    Btw, whom do you call a strong man? Stalin, Hitler, Mohammed, Pol Pot, Suharto?

    It is not a new kind of democracy but it is the reality, in which the weak will have hardship to find their ideals being followed. A strong man or women, is someone who has the power to stand up to the court, with a strong appeal, not some weak arguement about freedom and human rights.

    Lets apply this to different situation, shall we?
    Adolf Hitler came to power by legitimate democratic procedures. The Nazi party gained the largest share of votes in the democratic Weimar republic in 1933. Nazi party then continued to rule and began the project to eliminate all opposition and launched an ambitious program of elimination of the Jews.

    Tomatos, tomaytos, eh?

    What baffled me with u kid, is that you actually agreed with us when you said:

    Yes, fascism, but he insisted in wrong ideals that doesn’t make sense. The UU Pornography, makes sense.

    which seems to contradict the argument from so called “majority” moslem who are hellbent in arguing that Bali and papua is the major factor in moral decline in Indonesia based on their culture of nudity. Whats gonna happen with this, it is to be discovered. But if we proceed with your view of majority rule, then we can predict whats gonna happen there, eh?

    Now kid, here’s your candy and calm down. I get your point in the process of democracy in passing the law. I think we all are. We dont necessarily agree to that, simply because we believe there’s a major danger attached to that. Thats what we’re debating here. Just because majority of ppl think that way, doesnt make it right. But I guess, you need to go thru more life experiences to come to that thinking.

    Now about gay marriages.
    Gay population in US is approximately less than 2% out of the total population. So what you said below:

    You are mistaken, the majority of Muslims doesn’t think that way. The majority does not oppose the traditional values of Bali or Papuans. Those are extremists that view Islam in a radical way. I figured you are a victim of the media’s negativity on Islam.

    Yes, I hate to say that whats right and wrong is governed by the society, and most likely to be governed by the majority. However, that is life, someone has to lose, someone has to win, you are the one who needs to go through more life experiences I believe.

    isnt entirely correct. Same sex couples are minority. So you kinda rebutt yourself there. And whaddya kknow, the same sex marriages is passed based on fundamental constitutional right. If this isnt a blatant example of equal protection for minority as well as majority which to that extent protect their freedom to choose, i dunno what is.

    You are again mistaken, same sex couples are not minority. The figure you’ve shown is the figure of gay population in the US. You’ve not yet shown the figure in which people are for the gay population. Those two would contribute to the same majority of opinion. Hence those people who have the traditional view of marriage would oppose that and in the end one side has to lose. In a similar case, your side has lost in this debate, the law is passed already which clearly states that the “my” side wins. However, please feel free to stand up against it.

    Even so, the constitution valued the rights of the African-American minority, but it takes 60 years for the society to make it a happening.

    I am not going to be carried with your escape, you are simply trying to verse the conversation away from the real discussion. My statement was clear, you cannot use your liberal views and the words “Freedom” as your reasoning to object the Pornography Law.

    You are escaping the discussion here. The point that I’m trying to make is that you cannot use the premise of liberalism; freedom of choice as reasoning to oppose UU Pornography. And the arguments I mentioned previously clearly differentiate your realm of freedom with the reality. If the society thinks it is wrong to dress in bikinis, then it is wrong. The UU Pornography was passed entirely through a democratic process, so it is not an opression by the government to govern the way you think, but rather it is the majority of the people in our society that thinks that way; the majority of the people would agree with me and the UU Pornography. It is unlikely true in this blog however, as Patung would agree to me also that in his blog consisted of mainly liberals.

    You are saying there is something wrong with the Pornography bill because it opposes the minority, who “just” think that it will violate their human rights and culture, which is obviously false and please read Cuk’s comment:

    There is no tyrany mayority against the minority in here because we are the brown people are the good people, I think it is much better for you to study Pancasila rather than blabering your mouth to teach fish how to swim. Why you do not take look condition of your own country…and tell me ….why you escape to here…..it must be very hard to you to make approach upon little boy in your country.

    No one has objection to UU pornography in Indonesia except :

    1) Germo
    2) Pelacur
    3) Pedhophili
    4) Bencong and Homo

    FULL STOP

    So it is clear to everyone, that Mbak Sri is in motion against me as a little boy, who is “sok tau”, not because of the topic discussion.

    The arrogance of youth (assuming you are a 15-year-old or whatever it is that you claim to be, I myself am a 12-year-old girl masquerading as a nearly 40-year-old man).

    Well Mr. Rob, why don’t I twist your statement into “The arrogance of old”? Just for you to think about, you should listen to your dad, but your dad should also listen to you.

    Is the USA really the No.1 democracy in the world? What is democracy in your view and why does that make the USA No.1?

    First of all, the USA is clearly the no.1 powerful nation in the world, or atleast for the moment, and it is constitutionally a democratic state with a presidential system. Democracy is a system of government in which “power” is held by the people, indirectly or directly, made possible by an electoral system (voting). Within an indirect power representation, which is mostly prominent today, the society is represented by a small group of people in the parliament. I didn’t say democracy makes USA the no.1. What makes the USA no.1 was the combination of capitalistic and socialistic policies that created a strong population of middle class. What started the USA becoming no.1 was WWI :P.

    On the pornography law. It is simplistic to say that because the parliament passed the law that this means the majority of Indonesians support it. If pressed you would probably find a large number of apathetic responses to a survey on the matter as they consider that the law will not impact them in any way.

    So, in that sense, yes the law was passed within the framework of the procedures that apply for the passage of such laws through the parliament. It is also true that there are mechanisms provided to test whether a law such as this one stands up to scrutiny in a constitutional sense. The judicial review process is underway and this process will determine which parts, if any, of the law breach constitutional protections, and repeal them if they are so found.

    Yes, thank you. Someone who finally understands what is happening.

    I think you will find numerous posters will to take you up on this, and kid or not will go hammer and tong to slap you down. Perhaps with a little mature you will come to understand that generally those who resort to personal attacks are usually trying to disguise the deficiencies in their own arguments. Something to think about…

    Correct, and please look at how she is calling me a little boy, a kid, a sectarian, and a “sok pinter”. My judgements were towards her opinions and others in the topic, not “them” as a person.

  6. avatar Rasputin says:

    @Mbak Sri

    There is absolutely nothing wrong with the pornography bill. I would agree with Cukurungan that the only people concerned with this issue are prostitues, etc…

    It doesn’t affect our daily lives either, I have see girls with mini skirts walking along PS mall, and nothing is happening to them. You are sort of bringing this issue to the degree at which people will all eventually have to dress in turbans…

    Seriously, I’m pro for this bill as I believe pornography has caused serious issues towards youth mental development. Most people in here would be offended by a girl wearing prostitute like clothings to a wedding ceremony, a dinner, or a party. It gives the first impression that they are selling off their body for our attention. Its something against my morality and that is why I’m pro for it.

    Be aware though, that wearing bikinnis in the beach has nothing to do with this. It is a matter of location. To put it this way, you are expected to wear more casual or open clothing in the beach, because you wanna enjoy it, swim, surf, etc… If there are some idiots bringing this issue to the court, its just pathetic and won’t happen.

  7. avatar Burung Koel says:

    However, I don’t know you. In fact, in my debate club, we used to practice by first writting our opinions then in the advance level, writting our opinions in our head, but in 5 minutes of short time!

    OK, time for the school debate adjudication (something Doosra will understand):

    Doosra:

    Matter – 18/40, poor choice of examples, no real reference to definitions of ‘morality’ or indeed ‘pornography’.

    Manner – 10/40, too many ad hominem attacks. Fails to counter arguments of fact. Over-reliance on Fox News definition of ‘liberal’ used as an insult.

    Method: 13/20, not bad, although tends to bluster when faced by counter-arguments.

    Total: 41/100

    Mbak Sri:

    Matter: 25/40, with good definitions of majority/minority, and the purpose of the constitution versus parliamentary laws.

    Manner: 21/40, always polite, but occasionally falling to the level of the opponent, and not clarifying the details of the argument for the lay audience.

    Method: 15/20, although 5 points off for first bringing up the Nazis (see Godwin’s Law).

    Total: 61/100

    Mbak Sri, congratulations. Hard luck, Doosra – keep trying. Thanks for playing everyone. Now back to your normal programming.

  8. avatar diego says:

    @Burung Koel:

    I need something similar for the debate between dragonwall and AAB.

    Thanks. 😛

  9. avatar Burung Koel says:

    @ Diego

    I think that one disappeared down the rabbit hole into Wonderland a long time ago.

  10. avatar schmerly says:

    @ doos_101 … Just something for you to ponder on, I really think your getting desperate if you have to quote Cukies ramblings!

  11. avatar Aluang Anak Bayang says:

    Mas/Mbal schmerly [sic],

    @ doos_101 … Just something for you to ponder on, I really think your getting desperate if you have to quote Cukies ramblings!

    I believe it is admissible to quote another intellect in a debate. To you, Brown man’s contributions are always rambling. Yopure just as racist as our next door ocker.

  12. avatar ET says:

    Cukurungan

    Why you do not take look condition of your own country…and tell me ….why you escape to here

    It thought it would be clear by now that I live in a place with a Hindu majority who are staunchly opposed to idiotic sharia-inspired laws. But don’t worry, I won’t come over to corrupt your pure islamic souls.

    …..it must be very hard to you to make approach upon little boy in your country.

    Back to your corner, moron.

  13. avatar Mbak Sri says:

    @B Koel
    I win? I win???? Oh my god!!! I win!!
    Id like to thank the academy for this win, also my mom and dad and my opponent doosra who I think could be a good opponent when he has grown some hair. Naaah, im sorry, sorry, i shouldnt resort to that. Good game Doosh :).

    yeah, that hitler one was a cheap shot I know. 🙂 Im surprised he didnt make a case outta that

    @Rasputin
    Altho I would agree (as my post previously ) now that the Porn Law isnt entirely bad, after reading them articles from top to Bottom. I would disagree however with your opinion of “there is absolutely nothing wrong with the porn laws” . however before i continue i just would like to further clarify, what do u actually mean by “nothing wrong”. Do u mean, all articles are correct and acceptable to you, or do u mean its standing in the society?

    You are sort of bringing this issue to the degree at which people will all eventually have to dress in turbans…

    oh no… that would scary wouldnt it 🙂 but there will be some people who’d be into that. we’ll see whether thats “majority” or “minority” down the road, wont we?

    Anyway, it aint abt how a women dress no more, cuz they chucked that pornoaksi part months ago. However, doesnt it alarm you that it was there at the 1st place? It does to me.

    =====

    On the side note,
    i just realized this, apparently there are many many people who think that morality somehow related to how short a girl’s skirt are. hmm…… ponder

    anyway, good monday everyone 🙂

  14. avatar schmerly says:

    @ AssmadsAngryBitch..

    I believe it is admissible to quote another intellect in a debate.

    Intellect?? LoL!!!!

    To you, Brown man’s contributions are always rambling

    Your rambling again.

  15. avatar Cukurungan says:

    It thought it would be clear by now that I live in a place with a Hindu majority who are staunchly opposed to idiotic sharia-inspired laws. But don’t worry, I won’t come over to corrupt your pure islamic souls.

    no wonder because you must be one of gang involved in :

    http://www.asiantribune.com/oldsite/show_news.php?id=9269

  16. avatar ET says:

    no wonder because you must be one of gang involved in

    Cukurungan, are you stalking me? You should try psychiatric counseling.

  17. avatar schmerly says:

    @ Cukie.. I followed the link, it’s five years old, have you got anything NEW to report??

  18. avatar schmerly says:

    @ Cukie..

    no wonder because you must be one of gang involved in :

    Cukie, Stop scrabbling about for answers, and try and come up with something logical.
    I’ve already covered this topic in previous post’s, so why don’t you just give it up and try and answer my previous post’s with something concrete.

  19. avatar doos_101 says:

    @Mbak Sri

    Lol, congragulations on your victory :D. It is the first time I’ve seen someone self-promoted their own victory against another.

    Your statements are

    @Burung Koel

    Who are you to judge when your statements are ridiculously unintelligent.

    Altho I would agree (as my post previously ) now that the Porn Law isnt entirely bad, after reading them articles from top to Bottom. I would disagree however with your opinion of “there is absolutely nothing wrong with the porn laws” . however before i continue i just would like to further clarify, what do u actually mean by “nothing wrong”. Do u mean, all articles are correct and acceptable to you, or do u mean its standing in the society?

    Please show us some samples of incorrect articles to support your weak minded argument. You’ve escaped my previous statements and eluding to the fact that you’ve won a debate? As I stated earlier, the UU Pornography law is not a BIBLE, it will not have any negative impact on the society. Neither will it govern our daily lives in accord. If so there are vague samples of article in the law, it is unlikely that someone will put a use into it, or atleast it will be a weak appeal to his/her own will in the court.

    You are saying, NOTHING. You are saying, the minority has rights, should be protected. That has absolutely nothing to do with this law. I’ve said ofcourse minorities will always be impacted by the circumstance of a larger group in the society in every case. Thats what I’m trying to lead you into. If the minorities in this case, who doesn’t agree to the parliamentary decisions decide to put a stand against this, there is absolutely nothing wrong about it. However when you brought up the reasoning that this law should not be passed because “No government tells me what to do” or “It is my freedom to be bitch looking” then please go ahead, don’t take my advice, maybe you could escape being marked publically as mentally perverted and retarded. I bet ya, even the Balinese people will be offended by a girl dressing like prostitute, excluding those who are “morally impared”.

    You are leading us to nowhere, your statements are just replies to my statements, without puting yourself into a position of where you stand in this debate.

    P.S. She convinced herself that she won, including burung koel. Do you guys get my point of how these people are delusional?

  20. avatar Rasputin says:

    @ Doosra, I agree, I’m not sure why many people think this law is idiotic, I’m pretty sure shes going to dig some samples soon.

    @Mbak Sri,

    I win? I win???? Oh my god!!! I win!!
    Id like to thank the academy for this win, also my mom and dad and my opponent doosra who I think could be a good opponent when he has grown some hair. Naaah, im sorry, sorry, i shouldnt resort to that. Good game Doosh :).

    You are acting immaturely after being attacked by a 15 year old kid? I think you guys are fooled by this Doosra, not entirely sure if hes even 15 years old just by looking at the way he writes… I presume hes probably a college student maybe taking a major degree in social science. He seems to know alot about social science, and I approve his saying, its basing on the core concepts of sociology.

    oh no… that would scary wouldnt it but there will be some people who’d be into that. we’ll see whether thats “majority” or “minority” down the road, wont we?

    Yes and yur saying the majority will become like that? I don’t think it will come close, only a few radicals out there, most of them you see in TV can change easily by simply getting a job in life…

    Anyway, it aint abt how a women dress no more, cuz they chucked that pornoaksi part months ago. However, doesnt it alarm you that it was there at the 1st place? It does to me.

    Yes, it alarmed me that it sounded like a Shariah law. The govt. did a good job in preventing that. So I don’t see whats your point now in this topic, are you still against it?

    Don’ be a hater Mbak, that young boy got a good point there. We should learn from the young generation too, considering the fact that our generation has caused tremendous amount of problems that our childrens have to bear. Think about that.

  21. avatar Cukurungan says:

    Cukie, Stop scrabbling about for answers, and try and come up with something logical.
    I’ve already covered this topic in previous post’s, so why don’t you just give it up and try and answer my previous post’s with something concrete.

    Pak Schmerly YTH,

    You did no cover anything because the premise of your previous posting by saying that “Children in the western society is better protected than children in here” it does not cover and answer anything, because, the kind of premise is full of fallacy. If you do not know where does fallacy lay on Let enjoy my lecture below:
    In here, children does need any protection at all because most of us the adult brown man has no interest to f**ck little boy or girl because we have so many legal option and our regulation also ensure that we can enjoy 4 kind of different pussy legally, in the contrary, for the bule man, his legal option is only limited and what they can enjoy just the tired white meat and smelly one, in addition there is also psychological burden, every time the bule husband intend to have sex with his wife, they have to face cruelty of the tyranny feminism of his wife. Therefore, there is no wonder if the outcome of the bule society is wide spread and rampant pedophile, in order to cure those problem, you can not just giving better protection to the kid in your society because, it is only shifting the problem to other country and as we speak, children in Cambodia, Thailand, Laos and India and lately also our Balinese children bear brunt of the pedophile predator from the western country. However do not worry because the brown man will not only talk but also offering the solution to cure the pedophile outbreak in your country as below:
    1) Every the white husband should attend the Pancasila course
    2) Every the white wife should drink jamu like Sari Rapet to main the shape of her pussy.
    3) Forbid Feminism Movement
    4) Return the woman as they are born to take care home, kids and her pussy, if they do not mind ask them to wear Jilbab.
    5) If afore mentioned of the 4 Cukurungan Golden Recommendation applied accordingly, trust me, the pedophile outbreak will cease from your society.

  22. avatar Burung Koel says:

    @Burung Koel

    Who are you to judge when your statements are ridiculously unintelligent.

    Res ipsa loquitor.

  23. avatar Aluang Anak Bayang says:

    @ Mas/Mbak schmerly [sic],

    I must admit that I have never agreed with Pak Cuk on about anything, but this time he has a valid point. Pedophilia is inherent to Western society, just as women-beating is an Arab’s disease. There was no law protecting our children in Indonesia simply because pedophilia doesn’t exist in our society (there may be few instances over the past century, but it is too remote or too few to mention).

    Now, we have an exodus of bule sexual predators washing up our shore because there was no law protecting our children. Only a decades and beyond, an Indon parents would have trusted their next door friendly bule to babysit or let their children play in their backyard. Now we never know they would come home with their genitals violated.

    I have also noticed you tend to shy away from this issue. Not to be impolite, may I ask what are you doing here in Indonesia?

  24. avatar Oigal says:

    Doos,

    Do look up the term “strawman” as used in a debate. Your points (?) demonstrate a lack of maturity and understanding of the purpose of government in a democracy. Who could in thier right mind eqaute any government with morality east or west (I racked my brain trying to think of one but cannot).

    Just for fun, lets play with the strawman…As for running down the street naked, it would be kinda silly but untimately harmless (there was a steaker who run naked across a football ground in front of 100,000 people once..and guess what the crowd did not suddenly erupt into a orgy of lust…go figure).

    Wearing underpants…mmmm personally I like to let my little guys swing free…shock ..horror!! I agree incredibly risky behaviour gotta be careful with the zip up procedure.

    Seriously, you do need to sit down and think through the logic of what you are saying if you want to provide a reasonable defence of your postion..

    Any way I am off with the my little laddies swinging the breeze and with a pretty girl on my arm in shorts n tshirt..I am pretty sure we shall not tear a hole in the fabric of society expect in the minds of the terminally sexually insecure and criminally intolerant.

    bye for now…ayo laddies..step..swing..bump..step..swing

  25. avatar Oigal says:

    AAB,

    Normally your inane rantings are not worth the trouble of a reply but..

    “There was no law protecting our children in Indonesia simply because pedophilia doesn’t exist in our society (there may be few instances over the past century, but it is too remote or too few to mention).”

    You are a sick bastard, the fact it is rampant in society here and for you touse these poor kids as a taunt for your trolling makes you little better than the pricks who abuse these kids..

    What some proof..take a walk down Jln Dolly in Sby..hard pressed to see a bule but..

    grow up..f/w

  26. avatar ET says:

    Yes, it alarmed me that it sounded like a Shariah law. The govt. did a good job in preventing that.

    It was originally a Sharia-inspired law and it wasn’t the first time that attempts at this kind of legislation were made. The government did nothing to prevent it, otherwise it wouldn’t have made its way into the DPR in its original form as a RUU. The bill has been changed and watered down due to opposition from outside.

    In Bali there were clear signs among students and intellectuals – picked up from discussions and slogans during demonstrations against the law – that, as far as Bali is concerned, acceptance of the pornografi law was the price to pay for the execution of Amrozi et al.

    Cukurungan

    In here, children does need any protection at all because most of us the adult brown man has no interest to f**ck little boy or girl because we have so many legal option

    AAB

    There was no law protecting our children in Indonesia simply because pedophilia doesn’t exist in our society (there may be few instances over the past century, but it is too remote or too few to mention).

    So what about this story in the newspapers last year in november about this brown teacher in Medan who forced two of his pupils to have oral sex with him in front of the classroom.
    O, yes, I see. it was for didactic purposes.

    I invite you to come and have a stroll with a white guy through Kuta, Bali, carry a notepad, walk a couple of meters behind the white guy, and write down how many times this white guy is offered sex with minors by Indonesian brown men.
    If pedophilia occurs it would be interesting to know who are the middlemen who arrange it and to whom the money involved goes to. You would be surprised about the colour of their skin.

  27. avatar schmerly says:

    @ AssmadsAngryBitch..

    There was no law protecting our children in Indonesia simply because paedophilia doesn’t exist in our society (there may be few instances over the past century, but it is too remote or too few to mention).

    How quickly you forget.

    43 year old Pujiono Cahyo Widayanto/Widianto, aka Syech/Syekh Puji, the head of an Islamic boarding school (Ponpes Miftahul Jannah) in Bedono, Jambu, Semarang, Central Java, in August 2008 informally married (nikah siri) Lutfiana Ulfa, 11 years and 10 months old, who had just begun studies at a local junior high school, but has now taken up wifely duties at home.

    That’s paedophilia, and you agree with it yea? and by the way this disgusting behaviour happens a lot in Indonesia, but it’s OK because Mohamed was a paedophile.

  28. avatar Rob says:

    AAB…

    If I am not mistaken the Indonesian Criminal Code (KUHP) includes some provisions about the sexual exploitation of children. Try reading articles 289 – 296. The fact that these articles exist would seem to indicate that the problem of sexual exploitation of children in Indonesia has existed for some time.

    In any event, the Child Protection law seeks to address this issue as well. If I am not mistaken one Syekh Puji is in a little bit of strife for marrying a 12-year-old. But I am going to take a wild stab in the dark and pre-empt that your argument here is that that is an Arab practice and not one of the noble Javanese tradition or Kejawen.

    The sexual abuse of children is not a white or brown thing. For that matter, it is not a black or yellow thing, or an Arab or Christian thing. It is sad that you would resort to trying to score points on this front. However, the fact that you do probably says more about you than anything else.

    I guess some would think you to be a troll and others would think you to be simply intolerant of all things to which you do not agree. You’re always worth a read though because your posts are peppered with WTF moments, in the sense of, “is this bloke for real?”

  29. avatar schmerly says:

    @ AssmadsAngryBitch..

    Not to be impolite, may I ask what are you doing here in Indonesia?

    I’m not in Indonesia OK.

  30. avatar diego says:

    @AAB

    We’ve heard your wisdom regarding: Chinese, Arabs, Bules, and Indians (the ones that eat curry, not drink blood).

    I’m looking forward to hear from you regarding: Blacks and Latinos.

    … Eskimos can follow later.

    Thanks.

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