292 Comments on “Syech Puji, Pujiono Cahyo & Underage Lust”
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jaka says:
October 31st, 2008 at 5:21 pm@Diego:
We can be one of the axis too, cant we? Or we just follow what our ancestors did: following and just modifying other cultures (India, china, arab, western).I think we are unique. We may genuinely interpret humanity by ourselves. Anyone ?
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Alf Janszoon says:
October 31st, 2008 at 8:46 pm@ Mets I want to apologize for using the word hullabaloo. This is too serious and too tragic a matter to use such a word. Of course I’m being sarcastic. Of course this situation is very tragic. But religious truths are eternal. Child marriages are standard practice in for instance Yemen and Saudi Arabia. How come do you think? Because al insan al kamil initiated the precedence, the believers are not only allowed but also recommended to follow his example. What is the matter with you muslims. You should learn more of your religion by studying the Qur’an, Ibn Ishaq’s Sirat Rasul Allah (I did) or the sahih al Bukhari, sahih al Muslim, or the Sunan abu Daud. There you find the eternal truths of the faith. You say and I quote: “today society has moved on to acknowledge it is morally and ethically wrong to place a child into the condition of marriage, under the following international legislation for Human Rights, Women’s Rights & Children’s Rights.” But according to the eternal command of the faith The Umma must be modelled according to the society during the reign of the prophet and the kilafa rashidun. The Sunna is eternal, the Shari’a is eternal. Human Rights, Women’s Rights & Children’s Rights are products of a Western secular civilization. Yours is a civilization based on a faith from the seventh century AD. If you accept the faith than you must bear the consequences and all that it entails.
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Aluang Anak Bayang says:
October 31st, 2008 at 10:11 pmMets Says:
October 29th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
@ AAB I was brought up a Muslim…but that doesnt mean I agree with an interpretation that does not suit todays society…Prophet Mohammad pbuh was sent to all mankind, not to a specific community, nation, race or country. His entire lifestyle is exemplary and stands as a distinguished criterion by which every Muslim’s act is judged.
Now, all authentic hadithes pointed that Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) at age 53 deflowered Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) when she was 9 years of age. Every good moslem should emulate him.
Mets, I am interested in your interpretation.
Extremist arguments like yourself and El Freko Cleric puts Indonesia 10 steps back for every 5 steps forward in the pursuit of equality and democracy…
Following in the footstep of our beloved Prophet is extremist? Mets, when was the last time you attended the masjid lately and are you wearing jilbab? Beware, Allah is omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient. He seeth, hearth and knowth your mind.
Remember Indonesia is not a Muslim country but a country with many practising Muslim…there is a huge difference…..
Wrong, there ain’t many practising moslems in Indonesia like Sheikh Puji; otherwise Allah swt would not send in the tsunamis, earthquakes and eruptions.
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Andy says:
November 1st, 2008 at 2:49 amSee what a hypocrite is our AAB. He tells all muslims to follow the example of the prophet Muhammed and marry child brides yet was most vocal in condemning bules (with a heavy emphasis on Aussies and Anglo Celts) when a pedophile is caught in his country. Yes we get it. When a pious muslim with a flowing gown and long beard takes a pre pubescent bride he is being a good muslim yet when it is a bule they are criminal trash which AAB likes to think we all are. No wonder people can’t take him or his country seriously with such blatant double standards.
For the record, I think Alf has posted the most intelligent comments on this thread. Just plain fact without fear or favour. Here in 21st century Australia pedophilia is a crime for all concerned. I’m waiting for the day a muslim who chose to migrate here under our laws tries to play the race card when we tell them they are not allowed to marry a child or take several wives. Let these disgusting animals wallow in their 7th century hell holes. This is a reason why all muslim immigration to the west should be stopped immediately. -
diego says:
November 1st, 2008 at 4:03 amAre you a just stupid or a stuck-up person? AAB is like Achmad Sudarsono.
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November 1st, 2008 at 4:42 am@ Andy
See what a hypocrite is our AAB. He tells all muslims to follow the example of the prophet Muhammed and marry child brides yet was most vocal in condemning bules (with a heavy emphasis on Aussies and Anglo Celts) when a pedophile is caught in his country. Yes we get it. When a pious muslim with a flowing gown and long beard takes a pre pubescent bride he is being a good muslim yet when it is a bule they are criminal trash which AAB likes to think we all are. No wonder people can’t take him or his country seriously with such blatant double standards.
You are seriously an ignoramus. When Bule shagged an underage kid, of course he is committing a serious crime and should be castrated. To do it the halal way, this Bule must first convert to Islam. Barry Prima, Dawud Farquhar, John Spiteri and all your Anglo-Celtic cousins are converting en masse to Islam. Brian Leaver, your next door neighbour see truth in Islam. These people want a taste of pre-teen kids. Andy, when are you converting?
For the record, I think Alf has posted the most intelligent comments on this thread. Just plain fact without fear or favour. Here in 21st century Australia pedophilia is a crime for all concerned. I’m waiting for the day a muslim who chose to migrate here under our laws tries to play the race card when we tell them they are not allowed to marry a child or take several wives.
Your law is man made and probably less than 200 years old. Allah’s shariah law was here 50,000 before the Big Bang.
Let these disgusting animals wallow in their 7th century hell holes. This is a reason why all muslim immigration to the west should be stopped immediately.
Another excuse to play the race card. Andy, why not just be plain honest and admit you are a racist?
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November 1st, 2008 at 4:43 amI mean 50,000 years before the Big Bang.
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November 1st, 2008 at 4:44 am@ diego
Can you elaborate more?
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November 1st, 2008 at 8:33 amAAB-Another excuse to play the race card. Andy, why not just be plain honest and admit you are a racist?
Maybe after you do the same, fair? I mean what you have said about us is far worse than anything i’ve said. At least I haven’t resorted to petty name calling. I don’t think muslims should be allowed to migrate to my country, I will admit that, it is exactly the same as current Indonesian migration law not allowing bules but formerly allowing arabs to migrate to Indonesia. Reason is pretty much the same as our quarantine laws which were introduced to not upset our local flora and fauna. People are the same.
Allah’s shariah law was here 50,000 before the Big Bang.
To the sane world, this is make believe. So I will assume it is islamic law, made up during the 7th century to appease the likes of you and your sick mates.
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November 1st, 2008 at 8:59 am@ Andy
At least I haven’t resorted to petty name calling. I don’t think muslims should be allowed to migrate to my country, …
Petty name calling? example?
Andy, Moslem believe in Allah subhana wata’ala. He who created the universe, all creatures and humanoids like you. For a moslem, there is no such thing as ‘your’ or ‘my’ country. It is petty humans that created boundaries.
… I will admit that, it is exactly the same as current Indonesian migration law not allowing bules but formerly allowing arabs to migrate to Indonesia.
Formerly, we not only allowed the Arabs. Javanese welcomed everyone (Black, White and Yellow) regardless of race, creed or religion.
Reason is pretty much the same as our quarantine laws which were introduced to not upset our local flora and fauna. People are the same.
The balance was already upset the moment you people (of the Anglo-Celtic variety) washed ashore terra incognita some 200 years ago. Diseases and pests such as feral rabbits, Carps, camels, cane toads to name a few. Javanese had been in contact with the Blackies few hundred years before your arrival; and NO, we did not upset the local flora and fauna. We did not shoot them, chain them or rape their womenfolk when we were at the height of our golden age – The Mojopahit Empire.
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Adrian Vickers says:
November 1st, 2008 at 1:45 pmIt would be interesting to see how many of those who support this sleazebag also supported the Antipornography Bill. Perhaps one of the contributors could give us a list of all the voters for the Bill, and we could then play ‘spot the munafik’?
I’ve heard stories of how when Indonesian politicians go overseas, including from ‘religious’ parties, that Embassy staff have to procure prostitutes for them. Perhaps a list of these names for cross-listing would also be useful.
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Achmad Sudarsono says:
November 1st, 2008 at 2:05 pmPak Adrian,
Very nice point. Haven’t heard about the hookers, but have heard about other jollies. Are you serious about the prostitutes ? I think it might be time to let the media dogs off the leash and go for it. Start a really big sh*tfight.
If those f*ckers are going to pass stuff like the porn law, then fine, hold them to their own standards. I have a list of HP numbers that would set the wheels in motion.
Good to have you back, even though you never responded to my request to be my Special Internet Friend. ; p
x o.
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November 1st, 2008 at 2:57 pmAchmad, I am proud of your transformation recently. Pleased to have you on board my son. And Purba has been a civil friend of late too. IM is changing for the better. The only one who remains an arrogant, racist twerp seems to be one Aluang Anak Bayang. Time to get with the program mate..
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November 1st, 2008 at 3:00 pmAAB, you still don’t want to admit you are racist? You are looking more stupid by the day. Fess up son and we will all forgive you. I can go back to several posts to prove your childish bigotry and petty name calling. Where do you want me to start?
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November 1st, 2008 at 3:16 pmAndy,
Ironically, you can thank PN & AAB. It just got too much. What started as a funny, silly game just turned boring, the same way a Siberian labour camp is boring.
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Lairedion says:
November 1st, 2008 at 3:51 pmYeah, right.
Of course, Achmad, blame PN and AAB while we continue acting stupid and ignorant like nothing has happened, for instance in the Horror Queen Suzanna thread?
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November 1st, 2008 at 4:58 pmHi Pak Lairedion,
Confused as to what you mean ??
How did I act stupid and ignorant in the Suzanna thread ? I love and worship the woman !
x o
Achmad.
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Janma says:
November 1st, 2008 at 6:08 pmAwwww… Andy’s all proud of Achmad…. I bet Achmads little face is glowing.
I think Pak Lairedion got a bit too much fairy dust….???? or maybe he just got a different version of the O Suzanna thread?
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November 1st, 2008 at 6:29 pmor maybe he just got a different version of the O Suzanna thread?
This is the version I read:
Achmad Sudarsono Says:
October 21st, 2008 at 8:47 amThanks Susy,
Can you give some more details ? What’s DDOS ?
Why would they want to hack Kaskus ?
Tom
Achmad Sudarsono Says:
October 21st, 2008 at 8:51 amI mean Achmad.
Patung Says:
October 21st, 2008 at 8:54 amYes…, DDOS – Distributed Denial of Service (attack), people trying to bring the website down…didn’t know Suzanna had a grudge against Kaskus though….
Rob Says:
October 21st, 2008 at 8:58 amTom (AKA Achmad)…
So, should we call you Tom or Achmad from now on?
Achmad Sudarsono Says:
October 21st, 2008 at 9:01 amRob,
It’s Achmad. My maternal grandad was called Sutomo, so sometimes that’s what they call me.
But please be nice this week, because although I know Suzanna is amongst the spirits she loved so much, I’m going to miss her.
Rob Says:
October 21st, 2008 at 9:16 amAchmad…
I was not being mean, merely asking the question. Now, that it is clarified. Life can return to normal
Achmad Sudarsono Says:
October 21st, 2008 at 12:04 pmMany thanks, Rob. Normal is… Seksi
Why am I not convinced?
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Janma says:
November 1st, 2008 at 6:52 pmyeah… you’re right, there could be something there…. I really don’t get it at all….. a bit clueless actually…
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Ally says:
November 1st, 2008 at 6:55 pmWell… well… try to read the comments but still don’t get the idea why people don’t agree with this marriage of the syeik with a girl of 12 yo.
Pedophile? why is it wrong to have sex between a 50 yo and a 12 yo?
under age abused? what is under age? and why abuse?
next is… what is a marriage????????????????????
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November 1st, 2008 at 7:32 pmhi laired.
Still confused…
But maybe I’m just slow. Janma is the smart one…
x o .
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November 1st, 2008 at 10:34 pm@ Achmad
Aww, breaking rank is Oz’s tradition and un-Javanese. Anyway, your insightful knowledge of Indonesia culture especially Javanese is unmatched. Not even Adrian Vickers come a close second.
My beef with Oz and dislike of their arrogant attitude goes as far back to my first trip downunder in the early-80s despite what Oinkgal would like you to believe otherwise. In brief, my parents had joint investment in an abatoir in WA. So the children were invited by the directors to visit downunder for a kangaroo hunting trip. Me and 2 other friends travelled to Perth, WA. On arrival at the airport immigration checkpoint, one friend had to go through the undignified process of interrogation and strip searched for not having a bank account. He was later threatened to be sent home unless he cut short his holiday visa to 1 week. This happened years before threat of global terrorism. Only dumb ockers would think a 15 year old boy would want to remain as illegal alien in Oz? The other friend was a crown prince and I had diplomatic passes so were treated as VIPs. This poor friend is now an Inspector General of Police in his country. I doubt he think highly of Ostraya.
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November 2nd, 2008 at 12:01 am@ Ally
State your gender and religion before you comment.
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jawa asli says:
November 2nd, 2008 at 12:36 am@AAB
I like to know your view about this case, a 13 yo who were stoned to death by moslem millitant because she was gang raped.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/africa/11/01/amnesty.rape.somalia.ap/index.html?iref=mpstoryviewPlease enlighten us.
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November 2nd, 2008 at 3:28 amAAB,
why should I? Is it important to know?
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November 2nd, 2008 at 3:55 amAAB-Petty name calling? example?
AAB-dumb ockers ,My beef with Oz
Still don’t want to admit here you are racist? Just say yes or no.
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Mustafa Ahmed says:
November 2nd, 2008 at 3:17 pmWhat is the problem with this, my Muslim brothers? He is only following the example of the prophet. We know too well that the prophet married Aisha at a similar age. Your cries that this marriage are disgusting show your ignorance of our Islamic tradition. Remember the prophet is our guide, not the morals of the West.
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ET says:
November 2nd, 2008 at 4:17 pmI agree with Mustafa
Wy is everybody boohooing this poor islamic cleric? All he did was following the foorsteps of horny Mohammad, his beloved prophet.Achmad Sudarsono
Very nice point. Haven’t heard about the hookers, but have heard about other jollies. Are you serious about the prostitutes ? I think it might be time to let the media dogs off the leash and go for it. Start a really big sh*tfight.
Ask rima fauzi about it. She seems to know more about it from her friends at the Indonesian Embassy in Brussels.
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November 2nd, 2008 at 4:47 pmAdrian Vickers
It would be interesting to see how many of those who support this sleazebag also supported the Antipornography Bill.
The Antipornography Bill has nothing to do with it. The Antipornography Bill is the price the Balinese will have to pay for the execution of vermin Amrozi cs.
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