Porn Laws in English

Sep 19th, 2008, in IM Posts, by

ChildrenA full translation into English of the somewhat controversial 2008 Indonesian pornography laws.

I hope to post the entire Pornography Law in English for all non fluent Indonesian speaker to read and discuss in informed manner.

Planned Legislature of Republik Indonesia Regarding Pornography

Chapter 1:
Definitions:
1. Pornography [sic shorthand 'Porn' from now on] is sexual material that is made by humans by form of picture, sketch, illustration, photo, writings, vocalizations, sounds, moving picture, animations, cartoon, rhymes/poems/prose/verse, lewd sexual gestures (straddling, blowing kisses, miming oral sex), eurythmics or lewdness deliberately disguised as double entrendre communications [simulated sexual acts] - communicated or transmitted via media communications and/or public shows/exhibits/performances [implied: live] that arouses sexual propensities/desires/longings [implied: undesirable] and/or contravenes community ethics/decency/ morality [one word: kesusiliaan].

2. Porn services are defined as the genus of porn services prepare for people, peoples or corporations/business entities that show/exhibit/preview/display directly, via cable television, terrestrial tv, radio, telephone, Internet, and other communications along with written/published documentations as newspapers, magazines and other printed materials.

3. Every person is defined herein as a person, people or corporations that are subordinate to the law, as embodied by law as well as or in spite of not being represented by law [sic: every human basically- foreign or not].

4. Children are defined herein as those aged below 18 years of age.

5. Government or State is defined as the Central Government as lead by President of Republik Indonesia as held by the National Government of Republik Indonesia as defined by Common Law/regulations of Constitution 1945.

6. Regional Government is defined as the Governor, District Chief, or Mayor and the Regional Government apparatus and complex.

SECTION 2:Basis and Prohibitions

The Foundation of Pornography Regulations is based on the God the Supreme Almighty, admiration and respect of the dignity and worth of humans, diversity, the Rule of Law, non-discrimination and protection of Citizens/Civilians of the State [sic: applies to non Citizens as well]

Section 3
Purpose of Porn Rules:

To shape, protect and maintain Social Order of the Community ad Community Ethics, Supremacy of Privacy, the priceless value of God, and admiration and respect of the dignity and worth of humans

b. To cultivate and instruct a moral and ethic Community

c. Construct by Necessity Laws for the Protections of the Civilian from Pornography, most especially Children and Women

and

d.
Guard against porn and [sic consequent] commercialization of sex within the Community

Chapter 2: Prohibitions
Section 4:1

Every person is forbidden to manufacture, fabricate, commercial quantity duplicate, reduplicate, spread about/distribute, broadcast, importation, exportation, make for sale, trade in [sic: sell/buy product], lease/rent, prepare/make available or store/lay-away PORN which has the following
traits:

e- coital acts, foreplay and sexual diversions pertaining to coitus [sic simulated sexual acts term is termasuk persenggamaan yg menyimpang- perhaps reader has better transliteration]
f- sexual violence
g- masturbation or onanism
h- nudity or illusions/allusions to nudity
i genitalia

2: Every person is forbidden to set aside/prepare porn which:
a- depicts explicit nudity or illusions of nudity
b- depicts explicit genitalia
c- exploitational or pedantic allusions to sexual activities
d make or advertise in sense of commercialized publications in spite of no
relation to sex (sic: racy adverts/ using “sex sells”)

Section 5:
Every person is forbidden to borrow, or “pick fruit” [sic: select] as per Sec 4, subsec 1

Section 6:
Every person is forbidden to [sic implication of public act of] listening, watching/viewing, utilising/exploiting/employing, possessing, or store away/have in storage [sic has an ambiguous yet somewhat implied connotation of 'save' as per computer systems jargon] Porn as defined by 4:1,
EXCEPT from those bestowed with Authority or Regulations.

Section 7:
Every Person is Forbidden to ease or facilitate deeds as defined/pertaining to 4

Section 8
Every Person is Forbidden to be an object or model be an object of Porn

Section 9
Every Person is Forbidden to make another person an object or model be an object of Porn

Section 10:
Every person is forbidden to view [sic implication publicly or in public place] personally or exhibit/perform in the general public nude depictions, exploitations of sex, coital acts, or other that alludes to Porn [sic as per definition of Section 4].

Section 11:
Every person is forbidden to engage/involve/invoke/entangle children in activities or objects pertaining to that as defined by any single one or combination of Sections 4-6, 8-10.

Section 12:
Every person is forbidden to urge/invite, persuade/trick/cheat, employ/utilize, conspire/connive in implicating, misuse, domineer or coerce or exert children into Porn or Porn related products

13
The generation of, distribution, and utilization of Porn which is not pertaining or defined as per 4:1, has obligations within within the scope, responsibilities and subject of these same regulations

The generation of, distribution, and utilization of above mentioned Porn within in the same manner as 13:1 Must be employed only in specific times and places.

14:
The generation of, distribution, and utilization of sexual materials is of specific
importance and within the valued possession of:
a Fine arts and culture
b Traditional culture
c traditional ritual

15:
Determination of the conditions and importance and manner of permission for the generation of, distribution, and utilization for the purposes and importance of upbringing and education and health services and implementation stipulations of 13 shall be governed by the State/Government Regulations [sic to be announced separately]

Chapter 3: Protection of Children

16:
Every [sic adult] person has a [sic legal] responsibility and obligation to safeguard children from Porn and guard against children accessing Porn information.

17:
1 Government, Social Institutions, Educational Institutions, Religious Institutions, families and/ or the Community has the [sic legal] obligation of [personal] subordination, alignment and social dignification , physical health and mental health of children victims or subject/performer of Porn.

Determination concerning subordination, alignment and social dignification of physical and mental health is as per the aims of Section 1 in line with the aims of [these] Government Regulations

Chapter 4 Precautions:
Sub divisional Unity within Government Apparatus

18: The Government and Regional Government is obligated to take necessary precautions against the generation of, distribution of ad utilization of Porn.

19
For Execution of Precautions related to Section 18, the Government has the Power to:

a
Execute dissolution of the network of distribution of Porn products or Porn services via employment of Blocking Internet access to Porn.

b
Execute [sic all means of] surveillance/monitoring in the course of surveying generation of, distribution of, and utilization of Porn.

c
Execute co-operative and coordination with all relevant parties, including those under he Law despite being not within the nation, in the obligation of prosecuting generation of, distribution of, and utilization of Porn.

20
For execution of efforts pertaining to Sec 18, The Regional Government is obligated to:

a
Execute dissolution of the network of distribution of Porn products or Porn services via employment of Blocking Internet access to Porn within that subregion yet smaller than Province.

b
Execute [sic all means of] surveillance/monitoring in the course of surveying generation of, distribution of, and utilization of Porn within that subregion yet smaller than Province.

c
Execute co-operative and coordination with all relevant parties, including those under he Law despite being not within the nation, in the obligation of prosecuting generation of, distribution of, and utilization of Porn within that subregion yet smaller than Province.

d
Fostering communication, information and educational systems within the framework o precautionary action against porn within that subregion yet smaller than Province.

21
Actions Concerning the Community
The Community has a role to play within the scope of the precautionary execution measures concerning generation of, distribution of, and utilization of Porn

22
Actions Concerning the Community as pertaining to Section 21, in the execution of in the style of:
a
Report Infringements or violations of these Regulations
b
execution of Suitor Liaisons to the Court
c
Execution of the "socialisation" [social dissemination] of rules, regulations which regulate Porn
d
execute constructions of behalf f the Commubntiy that warn of the dangers and impact of Porn

22:2
Clarification of the definition of 22:1, letters a and b are to be in accordance with the responsibility and appropriate [behaviours/actions] context of Rules and Regulations

23
Community which report infractions as pertaining to 22:1 have the right to Protection on the basis of rules and regulations.

Chap 5:
Details Police Investigations, prosecution, interrogation, examination and jurisdiction/jurisprudence.

24
Investigate, Prosecute and Cross-Examinations of the Court Infraction of Porn on the Basis of Criminal Law aside from instances are within these Regulations

25
Alongside tools of Evidence as proscribed by these Regulations, the entrance of other tools of evidence used in criminal acts includes, but is not limited to:

a
objects which are loaded with writings or pictures; unpublished or unpublished, electronic goods, optics or other data storage forms

b
data on file within other Internet communication networks or conduits

26:
For the importance of police investigation , investigations have the power to access, inspect and manufacture copies of electronic data which is within networks of computer files, INTERNET networks, optical media, or other data storage forms

2:
For the importance of police investigation, data owners, data storers/savers, or service providers are obligated to hand over and or open electronic data requested by the investigation

3
Data owners, data storers/savers or service providers after handing over or opening electronic data as pertaining to 2 have the right to receipt of surrender or official report from the commencement from Investigative Officer

27
Investigative Officer concerning official report as pertaining to 26 and concerning data owners, data stoers or data service providers at the place data mentioned was obtained.

28
Electronic data which is implicated with current investigations bundled in evidential documents

Electronic data which is implicated with current investigations destroyed or erased

Investigate, public petitioner, and competent authorities from all levels within the process within the jurisdiction has obligation of secrecy with seriousness above fervency , in spite of electronic data information which destroyed or erased.

Chap 6:

1. Destruction of offending materials with the object Porn from general petitioner

2. Destruction of Porn as pertaining to 1 with Official Report must than name,

a type and total amount which to be destroyed

b day date, month and year of destruction
and

c explanation of owner or holder of goods destroyed

Chap 7: Punishments for Offenses

30.
All people which manufacture, fabricate, commercial quantity duplicate, reduplicate, spread about/distribute, broadcast, importation, exportation, make for sale, trade in [sic: sell/buy product], lease/rent, prepare/make available or store/lay-away Convicted under Criminal Law shall be punished by prison term of minimum 1 year no greater than 12 years or fine of minimum Rp 500 million and not exceeding Rp 6000 million.

31.
All people setting aside/making available [menyediakan means to make something or prepare something in advance- usually for food] Porn as defined by 4:2 convicted under Criminal Law shall be shall be punished by prison term of minimum5 months and maximum 6 years or fine minimum Rp 250 million to maximum Rp 3000 million.

32.
Every person which loans or or selects Porn as defined by 5 convicted under Criminal Law shall be punished by prison term of maximum 4 years or fine not exceeding Rp 2000 million.

33.
Every person which sounds out, exhibits, exploiting, utilizing, in possessions of or kept in storage Porn as defined by 6 convicted under Criminal Law shall be shall be punished by prison term of maximum 4 years or fine not exceeding Rp 2000 million.

34
Every person which funds or facilitates Products as defined by 7 convicted under Criminal Law shall be shall be punished by prison term of minimum 2 years and maximum of 15 or fine of minimum Rp 100 million and maximum Rp 7500 million .

35
Every person with intention or with agreement of self or model which has within its' capacity Porn as defined by 8 convicted under Criminal Law shall be shall be punished by prison term of maximum 10 years or fine not exceeding Rp 5000 million.

36
Every person whom causes another person to be the object or model of Porn as defined by 9 convicted under Criminal Law shall be shall be punished by prison term of minimum 1 year and maximum 12 years or fine minimum Rp 500 million and not exceeding Rp 6000 million.

37.
Every person which exhibits themselves or others in performance or the general public which is nude picture, exploitation of sex, coital acts or Porn as defined by 10 convicted under Criminal Law shall be shall be punished by prison term of maximum 10 years or fine not exceeding Rp 5000 million.

38
Every person who engages or entangles children in activities or as object as defined by 11 convicted under criminal law shall be imprisoned as intended by 30, 31, 32, 33, 35, 36 and 37 with addition of 1/3 maximum term added for those posing a threat to Law

39
Every person who invites, persuades, tricks, cheats, exploits, connives, misapplies authority or dominance or coerces children into Porn or elements of Porn defined by 12 convicted under Criminal Law shall be punished by prison term of minimum 6 months and maximum 6 years or fine minimum Rp 250 million and not exceeding Rp 3000 million.

40.

1
In the case of Criminal Pornographic Acts in the name or by the name of a Corporation, Indictments and Decrees shall be made concerning the Corporation, Board, Management and/or Managers.

2
In Criminal Acts of Porn, concerning Corporations when Criminal Acts concerning People in the grounds of related work in spite of the grounds of unrelated work steps taken in the domain mentioned,

3
In the case of Criminal Prosecution concerning a certain Corporations, Corporation is represented by the Board

4
The Board/Management representing the interests of Corporations as defined by 3 have the right to representation by others.

5.
The Judge with Jurisdiction over Management in order that Corporations appear alone of Regulations and necessity of governance over Management shall appear alongside the Regulations.

Chapter 8 closing comments

42
From the Date of the Regulations taking effect, within one month every person owning or possessing porn as defined by 4:1 to destroy it themselves or surrender it to Officials/representatives

43
From the date of Regulations taking Effect, all rules and regulations tied t everyone with respect to Criminal Pornography Laws predating this, are not in Conflict

44
These regulations start immediately approved
Alongside all people knowing, authorities enacting these Regulations with appointment of State of Republic Indonesia

Clarifications
Sec 4:1-

a
coitus or sexual activities or those simulated such as those not expressly covered also include such sexual activities involving corpses, animals, oral & anal sex and lesbian &homosexual sex

4b:
Sexual violence including that [real or simulated] coitus involving beatings, dominance, humiliation, especially lewd and distasteful acts, coercion or rape

d
appearance or reference to bodies with nudity, for the sake of a glimpse (in other words no quick flashes of nudity or see-through garments in relation to exploitation f said imagery for no artistic, adat or ritual purposes)

5:
selecting is also defined as storage or moving files from information and communication technology systems

6
Those authorized by regulations include:
film censors, broadcasting supervisors/commissioners, legal entities, health workers, sex therapy workers and educational workers. Educators include librarians, lab technicians/workers and all possible connotations of educators.

10:
Mempernontonkan diri is defined being a viewer with self initiative or the initiative of others with the express desire and agreement of oneself.

16:
Cases concerning Child Porn may be referred to Child Protective measures as outlined in Child Protection regulation 2003: Regulation 23

19
Internet block is defined as blocking porn tools or porn services

20 as above
activities or objects pertaining to that as defined by any single one or combination of Sections 4-6, 8-10.


71 Comments on “Porn Laws in English”

  1. avatar andrey says:

    callum:
    In most Western countries the will of the majority is tempered by a defined set of human rights as well as a legal tradition that believes that you can do as you please along as your actions to not harm others.

    And, that set of human rights and legal tradition were defined by.. who else but the majority

  2. avatar Observer says:

    Unfortunately certain factions within Indonesia sems to be determined to drag Indonesia back to the stone age and to close its doors to the rest of the world. It is only a matter of time before it succeeds, kasihan deh lo Indonesia.

  3. avatar Wake up says:

    hmm…i wonder why Purbo Negoro is so worked up abt saying other countries are so full of whores etc etc…how does he know…from the media or first hand knowledge. i think it’s the latter. Will making pornography or prostitution illegal cut down on the any of the intended targets? Probably not, ( dont believe me? check out all the countries that has tried criminalising them) it will drive these things underground, diseases will go unchecked, criminal gangs will dominate these area…( not that they dont already…but thos will only get stronger) so what will these vague, betele-tele law achieve? well it wont stop any of the acts it will just allow employment to narrow-minded religious police so they are able to crack down and have legal right to do so. So i think when people say this is Sharia by stealth, it cannot be anything else but that. anyway maybe purbo negoro is a female who’s worried about the female gender, in that case maybe you can rally for education, morality…then work on reducing poverty so young girls like you dont have to sell their bodies to get money to live…drop the facade we all know what you are up to

  4. avatar Mike Oxblack says:

    We Euros don’t practice sunat Herr Negoro because we live in an enlightened secular society that has transcended specious religious reasons for genital mutilation. Latest theories suggest that the real reason for circumcision was in fact to mash up the genitals of younger male tribe members, thus preventing the older males from being cuckolded.

    God made us perfect in every way did he? That’s why the religious feel it important to hack away at infants genitals is it?

    Given that natural selection/evolution have been proved via millions of pieces of evidence circumcision makes no sense. If there was any survival advantage to not having a foreskin then this would have already been selected for through due evolutionary process.

  5. avatar Mets says:

    @ Mike – judaism…circumision…very large population in europe, america etc…just a reminder

  6. avatar Mike Oxblack says:

    Indeed. Possibly not par for the course in a govt. hospital though. Actually in New York Talmud fundie Rabbis still gnaw off foreskins with their teeth. Freaks. Apparently it causes TB of the penis. God Almighty.

  7. avatar Purba Negoro says:

    Mike-
    an enlightened secular society that has transcended specious religious reasons for genital

    What a stench of “white man’s burden” still clings to you Anglophones.

    Your nation is bankrupt overrun by gibberish speaking widies, spivs hoodies, yardies and other blacks, Poles and Jihadis, your elderly are afraid to walk the streets of even sleepy cities like Bath and you dare prance your bull-sheet moral onanism material to us.

    Cut your damn worm-d!ck you big mincer.

    Africans and Aborigines do it. Or do the “noble savages” of Africa not deserve your moral smuggery?

  8. avatar Melanie says:

    I wish America would have laws like this! The child porn industry over here is in the billions of dollars! Such a sick preverted group of people that are sexually aroused by children!!

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  10. avatar Andy says:

    Interesting article. It had to happen. This is the year of ‘Visit Indonesia’ and a huge push for more tourists. Malaysia currently has 21m tourists per year, Thailand 14m+ and Singapore about 8m. Indonesia is dragging it’s heels with about 5m. With all the natural beauty under the sun and the 4th largest population in the world something has gone wrong. The backwardness of it’s leaders and the constant grab for money i’d say are a contributing factor. Value the person (and their beliefs) and not just their bank balance then things will improve big time.

  11. avatar Dwikster says:

    What a retarded law, just as retarded to those who wrote it… I currently live in Dubai, these lawmakers should study on how Dubai is coping with all the tourists and expats and yet still have their muslim law respected, and us expats happy!

    So, instead of having these Government bastards coming down to Dubai for a shopping spree, they should open their eyes and learn! I understand that the Indo VP, whatever his name is, came down to Dubai for a visit, and yeah, you guessed it, he’s here just to spend the taxpayer’s money…

    Dwikster

  12. avatar Mr. Inkognito says:

    The Indonesian government is horribly incapable! Indonesia has serious problems like the missing of a real waste disposing system, clean water, terrific hygienics causing martial diseases, missing stability of electricity supply and over all: the destruction of its rain forests which will be entirely gone in only 14 years if no 180°-changes take place, probably causing a tremendous change in its climate with gravely more catastrophes and boosting global warming and, by the way, erasing its biggest national heritage and causing many animal species to die out.

    And then, the government does not have anything better to do for years as to debate on whether the nation’s people are dressing properly!!??

    This law will reduce people’s freedoms to a horrifying extend which will definitely not be acceptable for any more single tourist to come to this country which makes a lot of its GDP by tourism.

    INDONESIAN PEOPLE: stand up and fight against sharia laws destroying your country!!!!

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  14. avatar Andy says:

    Mr Ingkognito, you are 100% spot on. Basically it is a ‘red herring’ or a ‘wag the dog’ scenario. Another diversion used to alert the uneducated ignorant muslim majority and let them forget the many failures of the Indonesian government since independence. Funny how they are so proud to be independent but they need everyone else and their money to fix the mess they have caused themselves. A case in point is the monorail project. The japs were going to build it because they had neither the know how or money to do it themselves.

  15. avatar Andy says:

    man-beheads-woman-parades-with-head

    have a read of this if anyone has any doubt as to the thinking of your average Joe muslim

  16. avatar steve says:

    Purba Negoro,

    I do not agree with your opinion. Worse, your reasoning is weak and very typical of the ideologically blinded.

    Just a few of your own quotes (I assume you believe your posts to be of the very high standard that you claim to be missing in Callum’s):

    do I smell the stench of smug (yet baseless) moral superiority from the Anglo community?
    I hope not.

    Reading through your posts and those of your fellow blogging supporters, i get the impression that just the opposite is true. You consider yourself as possessing the moral superiority. My question would be: Don’t you and your fellow countrymen have bigger issues to solve – half of your population is starving and living in the dirt (yes, I have seen the Jakarta slums) and you worry about kissing in the street. Until you get the very basic things right in your own country, I would shut up about moral.

    Europeans do not practice sunat as they have an ingrained fear of being identified as Jews.
    When the Nazis first took American POW’s they erroneously thought nearly all were Jews- until luckily for them- A German-speaking American doctor explained US Army had made compulsory circumcision rule for all Privates…

    I am European and not circumvented. But I am not scared as being identified as a Jew. Why would I? It is easy to make up little episodes such as yours to back some stupid claim – what is your point? Where you there?

    We are not a land full of whores like Singapore, Thailand nor the Philippines and we should not cheapen ourselves like them.

    Is that another of your high quality posts? In the country where I live, you would get arrested for racist lies like that – yet you are walking around with your head high. Where are your moral standards now?

    I could go on and on …

    I will let myself go and draw my own conclusion from the few bits of information I have about you.
    1. Your English is very good, you seem to have been educated in a foreign country. I assume the standards of Indonesian Universities were not up to your own expectations. That also means you must belong to the (financial, if not political) upperclass in Indonesia – otherwise you would not have been able to afford the education.
    2. So, you come to another country. But hey, in Indonesia, your the king as you have money. Here, you are just an average Joe. You don’t look very pretty either (why would anybody otherwise pose in military apparel on a blogging site?), so you don’t have the success with girls (or guys?) you wish you had.
    3. You come back home and find that your foreign education has helped a lot but the stupid bule who was just flown over by his company got your job anyways – because his skin is white. So you are frustrated.
    4. You don’t want other people have more fun/success than you and do what you can to limit them.

    There you go. Maybe 80% wrong, but I bet some truth in it.
    IN my country, for some of your statements you would be called a Nazi. You should know that. Peace.

  17. avatar Purba Negoro says:

    European= gutless pansy.

    The cause of our troubles yet you dare prenn in front of a mirror lecturing us, the quaint Colonial.

    Honestly, we should invade at least Belgium, Luxembourg and Holland just for a laugh- give Italy, France UK and Germany all a piece- everybody’s happy and remove the diamond trade from the hands of your carcinogen: the Dutch Jewry.

    At least the Nazis had backbone. You could learn a lot from Putin too.
    Speaking of which- Front Nationale? Resurgent German far Right? Doesn;t Europe have a massively resurgent Far Right Wing courtesy of your limp Leftist governments?

    Nationalism in my country is a patriotic duty- we do not pander to minority ethnics- after all- is not demography majority rule ?

    Enjoy the decadence of your depraved nations before they are over-run with illegally imported cheap labourers from Africa via the machinations of your onn-democratic European Parliament.

    And he who lives in glass houses dares throw stones at us.
    And who said European Colonialism had ended.

  18. avatar steve says:

    Purba Negro,

    you make me laugh. Your inflated rhetoric does not hide that there is no substance in your arguments. What are you trying to say?

    The countries you want to invade would roll all over you should the need arise. You should get your facts straight. Have a look at their gdp and what the spend on the military (not to forget the nato) and even you should see that. How are you gonna go there? In fisherboats? Or with adam air?

    I have met many very smart and well-educated people from indo and am glad that my overall impression is that your views are those of an extremist.

    So you went to Bath? 3rd tier even by uk standards – but probably just right for a mediocre mind such as yours.

    You have a big mouth on this forum. I bet in the pub around the corner, your the guy who never says anything. Did you talk like that when you were in the uk?

    Hold your pseudo-moral up high, bash your minorities and pray five times a day! bring your country back to the middle ages.

  19. avatar Purba Negoro says:

    Steve,
    where are you from?
    Why is your history so poor?

    How do you ascertain I only went to Bath- not merely using a sleepy rural city to illustrate a point?

    And yes of course I spoke like that. English people need someone with some backbone to shake off the Leftist buggerers hell bent on castrating them and their once fine society full of the most intolerable injustices on the destitute yet delusional native.

    Why does Britain have the highest white-flight of Euoprea?
    Highest brain-drain of any OECD nation?
    Must be that marvelous miracle of brown-and-blacks-are-British-too-juth aksth-me-mon Islington effeminism.

    Scottish and Northern Irish- as well as Irish people we admire- they still have some fight left in the dog- and actually far more pleasant and tolerant.
    Dutch are peerless turds, with but a few smug English to compete against them.

    I doubt anyone Indonesian you spoke to was of any consequence. Assuming you did, we learnt a long time ago the art of doublespeak and meaningless platitude from the West.
    That’s where we dark art of backstabbing from the peerless master.

    So go back to importing more lowest-grade Blacks and Pakistanis to bash and bugger grandad in the hospice and hold granny up at knifepoint and impregnate random welfare class women perpetuating your violent mindless youth conveniently distracted from their stolen future, by mindless ethnic sycophants such as yourself appear to be.

    Hope you’ve not got a mortgage.

    Such a fine society- now in ruins. Now bankrupt to boot.
    Ask any of your fleeing middle-class empty-nesters whose is the better- my Nationalist nation of

  20. avatar rayner says:

    “Europeans do not practice sunat as they have an ingrained fear of being identified as Jews.”

    No in Britain at least circumcision is not available on the NHS so parents would have to pay for it. It was decided long ago that there is no medical benefit and parents who ask for it on any other than religious grounds are advised that this cannot be done in the hospital but must take place elsewhere.

    That of course does not exclude the number of rare cases of phimosis, (tight foreskin) which is a medical condition and will be treated usually by other than surgical means. An irreverent surgeon friend of mine would always first recommend that a sufferer place his penis between two bars of Lifeboy soap and give it a good whack!
    Rayner

  21. avatar steve says:

    Purba Negro,

    where are you from?
    Why is your history so poor?

    I am from Germany, been educated there and in the UK. Live and work in the UK now. I did not make any statements about history.

    How do you ascertain I only went to Bath- not merely using a sleepy rural city to illustrate a point?

    It was a question, if you read my post, followed by a conclusion assuming an affirmative answer. Where did you go to school if not Bath?

    Why does Britain have the highest white-flight of Euoprea?
    Highest brain-drain of any OECD nation?

    Where do you get that information from? Go to the London finance district and you will see your brain drain – it is negative: a brain gain. Many of the smartest people from Europe came to the UK in the last few years to work in finance. Germany has a far more serious brain drain problem.

    And yes of course I spoke like that. English people need someone with some backbone to shake off the Leftist buggerers hell bent on castrating them and their once fine society full of the most intolerable injustices on the destitute yet delusional native.

    Oh yeah. So you talk to the white trash guys in the pub and tell them the Pakistani is the reason for their misery? Tough guy. You go to a Singaporean bar and tell the people there their country is one of whores, too?

    I doubt anyone Indonesian you spoke to was of any consequence. Assuming you did, we learnt a long time ago the art of doublespeak and meaningless platitude from the West.

    Yes, maybe not of significant consequence. But at least a few voters in a democracy. Are you so much more important?

    So go back to importing more lowest-grade Blacks and Pakistanis to bash and bugger grandad in the hospice …

    Is it that easy yeah? I am actually trying very hard to get a visa for my Indonesian girlfriend who has an excellent education. It is not that easy. Or do you consider the daughters of your country lower than “lowest-grade Blacks and Pakistanis”? It is very easy to explain any problems by going back to racial stereotypes. How far do you want to go with this? Can you name examples where anything good came from racism? The fact is that the UK has hugely benefited from the import of labor.

    Such a fine society- now in ruins. Now bankrupt to boot.

    It is a big mistake to assume that because of the financial crisis everything is in ruins now. It is called recession, it will go away. My advice: Buy shares now. The US has a GDP of 13 trillion – 700 billion is peanuts compared to that. Even in the worst of recessions, the average living standard in the US or Europe is still tenfold higher than in Indonesia. You cannot even feed the children on the streets of Jakarta, your Government is corrupt. Any problem, solve it with money – are these your moral standards?

    But yeah, if your government passes that law and i cannot kiss my girl on the street in Jakarta, I know where we will not live in the future.

  22. avatar Purba Negoro says:

    Steve-
    don’t be silly.
    I do apologise in full- as being rude is not me per se- and I mistook you as British- which I think is actually the worse an insult. Perhaps is problem with my English at times- sometimes too, sharp not enough nuance.

    When in Rome, one does as Romans do. We’re a conservative people and intimacy is culturally best kept indoors.
    No butt groping, titty squeezes or kissing passionately in public.

    Even a quick peck on the cheek is frowned upon.
    It’s just poor form here.

    Democracy- is that what the European Parliament in Brussels is labelling itself now.
    Does your EU Reich have full sovereign control- or are your former East German Stasi men still working on that one.

    Isn’t democracy merely tyranny by the masses of the masses?
    We all know it is a silly charade- the elites remain in power and give the masses some crumbs to appease them- whatever the nation.

    Singaporeans. Please- utterly mindless drones wet behind the ears and steered willingly by their Colonial British masters. Their economic miracle is solely attributable to Dutch economist Artemus and Chinese financial fraud and money laundering.
    Their banking system is more secretive than the Swiss.

    Actually your German nation is involved heavily with my military and my nation.
    Germany is one of the few nations we look up to- Habibie is still hiding away there after letting the Australians steal our gas in East Timor.
    I actually have a friend, of a friend who daughter studied ballet there. I think in Munchen- he lived there for 20 years.
    Our arms manufacturer PT Pindad is heavily involved with Rheinmetall- earning your nation millions.

    Seimens, Daimler Chrysler, Theiss (who I work with frequently) Krupps, Lurgi Rheinmetall, Bosch, etc. Many- even some small firms are here for business. German mining machine excellent.
    When my economy improve again- much work very assured for Germans our true friends need not worry.
    Australia, I imagine will get pittance.

    So- in short Germans are in a very different fish to the Brits and the horrible horny Dutchmen- our former masters of their Apartheid here.
    But alas we don’t have a pliant fauning black photogenic leader for the world’s media to onanise over- so we lack the sympathy of the civilised Europeans.

    You must forgive us and apparent rudeness to whitey- we were colonised by the most racist white of all- the Dutchman- had our land stolen under our feet to a hostile and uninvited ethnicity (Chinese) and we seem to be a magnet for Anglosphere pedophiles and sex tourists or other such low-brow flotsam.
    Then we should mention many British attempts to destroy the Republic.
    So that taints our view, understandably.

    But Germans are generally very quiet, low key and reserved people here (totally different to the uncouth boors of Australia and with some British and Americans)- your embassy is one of the largest here and routinely provides scholarships for the betterment of my nations indigenous people.
    Including former President gone astray- Habibie.

    I spent ten years on and off in the UK. In short- I’ve been from Aberdeen down to Porthampton.
    I was sent by my military for specialist training in Taunton, and then Masters as civil engineer- University of London- called Imperial College back then- so I know London and its’ problems very well- including living through one of their race riots.
    Kensington was nice though- though the food in the 1980;s as one can imagine was woeful.
    Bath was a good place for hot food after freezing our testicles off on Salisbury plain. I also like it- people are very nice. Even still. Somerset is very beautiful province.

    I also know the British Army very well enough to know some many of its’ rather homo-erotic games. Including “soggy biscuits” and “spots”.
    I thanked God I was a Muslim- so I could lie that I couldn’t drink.

    British Army has about 130,000 soldiers, approximately 100,00 combat soldier and I know from personal friends I train with, still serving now the equipment is rubbish for all infantry including those who’ve done Telic and Herrick rotations.
    I also am academic specialist on warfare against the Gurkha- we Indonesians are one of the proud very few to have victory against the British hardest unit- massacred already one combat brigade during Konfrontasi in the 1960’s- by irregulars- not even our commando.

    As a combat engineer specialist- I was in KODAM, and have done rotations with Kodam Udayana, Jaya and Siliwangi.
    In Special forces total we have approximately 60,000 plus- equipped to first world army standards- including many fun freeby from your He and K.

    Your West and East German nations helped build our glorious martial nation- you should be very proud.
    Indonesian patriots are very grateful for German expertise.

    Furthermore- my rhetoric here is often merely playing to the audience somewhat too- please do not be so.. what is word?
    Like gullible but without implication of stupidity? I am not sure, but I mean:
    Not believe all opinion you read as at all representative- or even in seriousness- something like this.

    Your wife have no problem here with such high calibre husband. A welcome change to the norm.

    Sugeng.

  23. avatar janma says:

    I thanked God I was a Muslim- so I could lie that I couldn’t drink.

    that has got to be one of the weirdest statements in that post!

    Were you thanking God you were a muslim because this allowed you to lie?
    Do you think non-muslims might also lie and say they can’t drink?

    what does that even mean?????

  24. avatar Purba Negoro says:

    Janma,
    it means it was a way of escaping the very homo erotic “bonding games” practised by the British Army- which are very pornographic which I shall spare the lady from details .
    Let us allude liquor was a common uninhibitor in these barracks room “games” and I could use religion as a beleivable convenient alibi.

    You do not want to know what happens to those who claim they are tea-totaller in British Army. It is not for lady’s eyes.

    Nice try at trying to corner me though- keep it up.

  25. avatar Andy says:

    PN-When my economy improve again- much work very assured for Germans our true friends need not worry.
    Australia, I imagine will get pittance.

    Purba, at the risk of hurting our recent truce and civilities, I got to ask, why do you rank us so low in your list of friends? Germany didn’t give too much to you compared to us after recent tragedies in your country. We gave you the most followed by Japan and America. So surely you want to give out work in that order, right?

  26. avatar Mr. Inkognito says:

    Dammit! Guys, don’t waste your time talking to such a poor fascist fool like Purba Negoro. There are some intelligent and a lot of kind-hearted people in Indonesia. Don’t try to convince such a rigid military-admirer!

  27. avatar Janma says:

    Dammit! Guys, don’t waste your time talking to such a poor fascist fool like Purba Negoro. There are some intelligent and a lot of kind-hearted people in Indonesia. Don’t try to convince such a rigid military-admirer!

    awww….. but it’s fun…..

  28. avatar timdog says:

    PN:

    what is word?
    Like gullible but without implication of stupidity? I am not sure, but I mean

    Credulous, perhaps?

  29. avatar Andy says:

    Dammit! Guys, don’t waste your time talking to such a poor fascist fool like Purba Negoro. There are some intelligent and a lot of kind-hearted people in Indonesia. Don’t try to convince such a rigid military-admirer!

    I’ll go one further. Although I don’t agree with 90% of what Purba says he is pretty much speaking from the heart of the average Indonesian. I read only the other day that it is hard to station Indonesians in their consulate offices around Australia because 95 % harbour negative views about us. Most based on emotion and lies. This is the way they are raised by their own leaders so it is not the fault of Purba or any individual. The country has a lot of waking up to do. Now look, on face value Indonesians are warm and friendly people and nice to socialise with but we just have to keep in mind they may not like us the way we think they do.

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