Purba Negoro on perceived threats to national unity.
From Jakarta Post, Sun 14-9-08 
National unity remains a cause for concern in Indonesia, despite 63 years of existence as a nation state, a survey finds.
Roy Morgan Research polled the top 16 provinces in Indonesia in July.
Of 2031 respondents asked:
If [they] feared the breaking up of Indonesia's unity
Fear of "breakup of Indonesia's unity" is shared by all groups. There is no difference between age, gender, and location, on the common fear that the "breakup of Indonesia's unity" could happen.
When asked "which countries are likely to create difficulties for Indonesia", respondents stated:
"Looking at the results of both questions, Indonesians' opinions that the U.S. was likely to create difficulties is understandable, taking into account the country's ability and history of attacking other countries seen to be a security threat (Iraq and Afghanistan)."
Many say national unity has been at stake since regional autonomy was introduced in 2000. 7 new provinces and over 100 new regencies have been established in the last 8 years, some of them based on ethnic identities.
Political analyst J. Kristiadi of CSIS (Centre of Strategic & International Studies) said fear of national disintegration resulted from past government policies which reduced national unity down to uniformity
"Such a fear should not arise as Indonesian people have survived attempts to politicize sectarian issues. Instead, national integration is a work in progress under a new paradigm
"There has been an enlightenment process in Indonesian society, which enable people to spot unfairness practiced by the U.S. People here agree that the U.S. cannot dictate to Indonesia
"As a huge archipelago it is no surprise that Indonesians fear this. The country's location, differences in race, culture, religion and disparities in wealth can be seen to weaken Indonesia against assault from foreign powers, as well as from within the country."
"Recent events have shown how fragile Indonesia's unity is, with the secession of East Timor, and the problems in Aceh. Although these separatist movements were from within the country, support and pressure from foreign countries gave them additional impetus
the pollster said.
Roy Morgan Int'l polled Australia with same survey in August 2008. The country most seen to "likely create difficulty for Australia" was [were]:
Did I and others far more learned not tell you Human Rights, Liberal Democracy, Autonomy was all trite centre-page wipe-able lavatory reading material for Western armchair revolutionary and other such lowlife.
Churchill himself stated: "the best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter".
The Rakyat could not possibly care less for these Acehnese seditionist or Irian agitator nor the rights of an overweening, over-privileged minority. They want food, work and security.
Democracy provides none of the above - indeed along with the well-documented perfidy of the greedy opportunistic fifth-columnists has led to the downfall of a rising star.
Proven with the rise of Darul Isla'amiyah in sheep's' clothing the wisdom of Nasutions' permanent Nationalist Military parliamentary bloc: Dwifungsi.
Autonomy has delivered nothing but the Raja Kecil and externally (US, UK, Norway, Holland, Australia, Denmark) funded sedition to yet even higher levels.
The Indonesian Rakyat clearly demand another Nationalist Hero in the mold of Pak Pembangunan Suharto. This time, I can solemnly assure you whosoever shall be winner, will be far less tolerant, gentle and accommodating to any provocateur - be they internal or from Northern or Southern British colonial outpost.
Sedition, dissent and agitation shall be utterly annihilated - not merely accommodated and swept under the carpet.
The Rakyat realise far too much is at stake to concern ourselves about the flippant moral whimsies and fancies of the overly vocal Western chattering class majority demographic nor self-serving misinformation of the overweening obsequious fifth columnist aliens.
Sedition, dissent and agitation shall be utterly annihilated – not merely accommodated and swept under the carpet
You made me and everyone laugh if you belong to this group of people fit to say it.
The detestation you possess simply just makes you unfit.
The fear is always from within, and with people like you around it makes situation even worse. Because you are the biggest threat to society by trying to immerse your thoughts into public view. Foreign powers are always happy to eye on such situation and capitalize on the development to their benefits.
The more you write into this subject you might find youself a bigger threat.
You have your own uneducated facile opinion, you are welcome to it.
It does not mean your observations nor opinion are correct.
A stable Indonesia is not only good for Singapore but neighbouring nations.
Precisely Purba, it is the instability of your nation that threatens us and our neighbours. We welcome a strong stable Indonesia down under mate….
When you can get your house in order you will most likely see far different numbers than the ones above. Terrorism tops the order of threats followed by your agressive military (that has threatened / invaded Timor, Papua, Aceh, Malaysia and Singapore) and finally the poor economy which brings to us illegal fishermen, illegal immigrants who want to live in our safer and more stable nation, disease and crime.
Andy’s comments are a little misleading.
Irian Jaya has exceptionally strong legal status in International Law as does Aceh.
The case of Timor has been resolved- the major thorn in the side was Australia’s flip-flopping over recognition of sovereignty and its’ opportunistic economically motivated intervention in sovereign politics.
The issue of Timor is now resolved and Gusmao himself seeks normal and warm relations with its’ closest neighbour- for mutual benefit. Indonesia is the 2nd largest aid donor to former TimTim an Indonesian basic commodities are a necessity for the impoverished Timorese.
Malaysia and Singapore as well as Brunei were not given the referendums promised by the British- but current status is recognized fully by Indonesia. Minor legal and territorial spats withstanding- the mutual relationship is sound.
Some minor border issues remain regarding Malaysia- but these are being resolved within the framework of International Maritime Law.
The illegal immigrants, as you recall, are not at all Indonesians- but ni the order:
Chinese, Iraqis, Iranis, Sri Lankans, Afghanis, Somalis, Nigerians etc.
from the UNHCR:
“[sic: Australian Immigration] Departmental fact sheets show that about 9500 boat people arrived between 1 July 1999 and 22 August 2001, many from Middle Eastern countries. Most were given protection visas. About 660 had been removed. Of the 190 who remained in detention at 1 April 2005, nearly all had exhausted avenues of appeal: they remained in detention because returning failed asylum seekers to countries like Iran is difficult and time consuming. ”
“Indonesia: Australia-bound illegal immigrants arrested in East Nusa Tenggara
Kupang: Police have foiled an attempt by a syndicate to smuggle 67 illegal immigrants originating from Iran and Iraq to Australia. [They were arrested] on Monday night (18 June) on Raijua Island, some 115 miles from Kupang, East Nusa Tenggara Province (NTT).
44 illegal immigrants also came from Iran and Iraq.
These Middle East immigrants also intended to cross to Australia illegally. They had been staying at Kevin’s house only until their [visas expired].
The [Kupang] police chief said that his office was coordinating with the UNHCR and the International Organization for Migration [IOM] to deport them to their respective homelands. “We have no funding to deport them. We can’t even manage the 18,000 rupiah per day per person to feed them, let alone repatriate them. So we’re coordinating with the UNHCR and the IOM to handle them from here” , he said. The 44 illegal immigrants, including two young children and their mother, were being accommodated at the Kupang Police auditorium.
Jakarta: At least 230 asylum-seekers from Middle Eastern countries were stranded on Rote island in East Nusa Tenggara province after strong waves and high winds prevented them from sailing through to their destination, Australia, an East Nusa Tenggara police spokesman said on Friday.
… refugees consisted of 211 males, including a three-month old boy, and 32 females from Afghanistan (190 refugees), Pakistan (47), Iraq (four), and Iran (two)
According to Wanton, the refugees all intended to go to Australia.
According to Wanton, Rote, the southern most island in Asia and the Indonesian archipelago, has often been used as a final stepping stone for illegal immigrants wishing to enter Australia because of its proximity to the state of Western Australia.
Earlier, some 170 refugees, also from Middle Eastern countries, were stranded on a small island off Sumbawa after the boat they had hijacked developed engine trouble.
The issue of illegal refugees from Middle Eastern countries has become a sore point in Indonesia’s relations with Australia…”
Indonesia has no desire for these scum either.
Here’s an interesting thing:
it is the instability of your nation that threatens us and our neighbours.
And for once Andy, I’m not going to just write you off for your hatred and paranoia, because your belief in the “instability” of Indonesia is one shared by many people…
But just a few weeks ago I read a piece in some international news magazine – it might have been Time, or the Economist, I honestly can’t remember. It was talking about the current ecconomic and political climate in Southeast Asia, and painted a fairly gloomy picture, particularly on the political front. However, and here’s the surprise – it was cheeriest on the topic of Indonesia. There was a quote from a senior American analyst based in Singapore.
What he said was this: Indonesia is, by a significant margin, the most politically stable and democratically mature nation in the region, and is looking all the better in comparison to the political collapse of ASEAN’s other big beast, Thailand.
This analyst pointed out that while the world public, and even world politicians haven’t really noticed Indonesia’s stability, the financial world certainly have, and for that reason it is regarded as the most attractive country for investment in the region…
Laugh.. It’s amazing how only the dullest trolls lead with their chin, as notably short in stature they often wade out of the depth in any conversation of susbstance..
the best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter
Nice lift PN..nice but hardly a pin up for your cause ..he also said
It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried
A fanatic is
one who can’t change his mind and won’t change the subject
and I suppose you are the intellectual giant or is it among fellow dwarfs too?
Very good though. I’m too tired for a comeback that won’t make me look foolish.
I hope I’m not teaching you two anything…
Personally, I don’t see Thailand as an issue. Thaksin has huge amounts of (stolen) money at his disposal to mobilise (buy) rent-a-crowds of poor people.
The main issue is constant Malaysian-protected muslim militants.
Malaysia is the real hemorrhoid:- it hides, funds, arms and protects Moro Islamics Mindano rebels, Aceh GAM, Jemah Isla’amiyah and those seeking a Muslimin Southern Thailand.
Cambodia and Laos have a major emergent problem with such Islamics too.
So, I suggest, unsurprisingly, Indonesia as the most capable and willing military of the region forcibly retake Malaysia and destroy a la Aceh any Islamic militancy and turn this lunatic semi-Wahabi Pakistan/Saudi Lite of South East Asia into a secular nation.
We solve Philippines’, Indonesia’s and Thailand’s Muslim militancy problems in one go.
While we are at it, there is also a chance we may consider freeing our southern Blackie brothers from the bondage of White Supremacy; and export those recalcitrant Pommies back to their mother land.
really love your comment about Malaysia…
…Indonesia as the most capable and willing military of the region forcibly retake Malaysia and destroy a la Aceh any Islamic militancy and turn this lunatic semi-Wahabi Pakistan/Saudi Lite of South East Asia into a secular nation
otherwise you are pretty cracked
Malaysians have no chance against 4 million+ loonies we can send in as cannon fodder before the real fighting begins.
Malaysians will all be asking “Dato General, how come so many arrivals, is it?”
“Ya Hamzid so many is it”
“Which way to shoot is it?”
“To kanan is it”
“Confirm Point to kanan kanan is it, is it?”
“Kanan kana is belakan is it!”
“Oh no- they look like us, is it?”
“Oh no overurn is it!”
Too true- time Indonesia starts funding Mabo cases on lucrative mine sites for our Melanesian Aborigin: Gagasan Acatya Parameswara Permili Aborijin Abirupa Jayawijaya
Assist our very brown brothers regain their dignity from those puffed up fatties in their stolen lands as payback for fatties “tuan hamba dngn licik”on TimTim.
I think the bulk of them are Irish and Cockneys- hence their women being renownd for the trait of “Fanta Pants”- bright orange coarse thickets of hutan perempuan.
Not to mention enormous floppy udders of the Heeland Cow.
The best place for them is in Brazil or Pattaya to join Ronnie Biggs and other crims and pedophiles.
The poor Nigels are over-run by pikeys, Scots, Nigerians, Somalis, Poles and the omni-present Rob-like limp-wristed mincing bleeding-hearts Brigades.
I was told NZ was settled by mainly Yorkshiremen and Scots- that’s why its’ civilised. The Maoris are lovely people too- Austronesian blood memang darah bangsawan. They are very unhappy so many Chinese are taking over their lovely nation.
His-tolly lepeats wan lah, hey brudder muddy?
Ostrayans are just reject bog-hopping Micks and Poh-tayter Paddy booted out by their own Lairds.
They claim to be rebels and Fenians, but in fact they’re just feckers who nicked bread and their Ulster Lairds’ handkerchiefs.
For once I wish Purba got it right. I mean if they really were serious JI and other terror cells would be eliminated but that of course is pretty hard when the military and / or law enforcement agencies are made up of muslims. I met many Indonesians over the years I lived there and really don’t believe they have the stomach or will to fight terrorism. Many ‘moderates’ seemed to think they were the lesser of the two evils in their minds meaning they would rather support the terrorists or pretend they somehow don’t exist than tackle the problem as deep down they simply don’t want to side with the west over their muslim brothers and sisters. Actually Purba, you are one of the only Indonesians I know who hold the view that terrorists are your enemy. I hope silently there are more who feel this way and the problem can be nipped in the bud. On the issue of Thailand, we don’t see them as a threat as they haven’t had a history of aggression against their neighbours, have been a strong ally of the west and despise muslim extremism. Thaksin’s military tackled the problem head on and many were killed over the term of his government. Also the Philippines feel the same way and have a long and happy friendship with Australia going back even before WW2. Malaysia (outside of the Mahatir years) hasn’t presented any problems to us and our troops are based in Butterworth just outside Penang. So why would we feel they are a threat? It is also history that determines our views not only the current status quo which we know could change at any time.
@ Andy the ignoramus,
The quran are made for the Arabs. How dare you compare highly sophisticated Mojopahit culture to camel riders’ culture?
Most Javanese (if not all) in Sukarno’s era and beyond regarded Islam as an Arab religion. It is only in the last decades that the Saudi Wahhabis poured hundreds of millions of dollars into our country attempting to islamise us. Smart Javanese politicians smiled and greeted them with brotherly ‘assalamualaikum’, then pocketed their moneys for overseas junkets. Only a few non-Javanese traitors were radicalised. We are not some stupid Brit politician who after accepting Saudi’s moneys even consider implementing Arab shariah in their own land. If not for the tsunami and pressure of Bules like you, Achehnese will still live under pancasila.
I met many Indonesians over the years I lived there and really don’t believe they have the stomach or will to fight terrorism.
Of course we are not so stupid to fight the terrorist determined by the Whiteman but we will fight the terrorists under definition of our own term.
cukurungan, once again you don’t disappoint me and have thoroughly proven me correct. However in fairness to your countrymen and women, I don’t believe many are as extremist as you are.
Terrorism my friend was not determined by your race or mine but by those themselves who chose to kill innocent women and children in the name of islam. They didn’t even care that the majority of those killed happened to be muslim themselves. In fact the majority of blood on the hands of JI is that of Indonesian muslims. That’s why I fail to see why you don’t consider them the enemy too. I know it would probably make you feel better if we ourselves went over there and did that kind of damage but I can assure you we are peaceful and want to be your friends. If only you knew that before putting your foot in your mouth with your absurd racist statements.
That’s why I fail to see why you don’t consider them the enemy too.
JI could be our enemy but as long as we are still facing much bigger and more dangerous enemy we will not waste our energy to deal with them. Friend I also failed to see why you consider JI is your biggest enemy while in reality number of Australian death because of JI action is only a fraction compare to Australian who death cause by Obesity see below :
I think you must bomb US because their company have been selling junk food to make your people fat.
I can assure you we are peaceful and want to be your friends. If only you knew that before putting your foot in your mouth with your absurd racist statements.
Friend all the whiteman who came here initially want be our friend but after they were realizing that our land is so fertile and our woman are so nice then they are start to think why they should not owned this paradise. Therefore just in case we have to let FPI alive.
Cukurungan-Friend all the whiteman who came here initially want be our friend but after they were realizing that our land is so fertile and our woman are so nice then they are start to think why they should not owned this paradise. Therefore just in case we have to let FPI alive.
This comment does nothing other than confuse me….What do ‘your women’ have to do with anything we have written about on this threat? And why would you then place your confidence in a bunch of thugs like FPI who do nothing other than embarrass your people. Yes bules like and marry ‘your women’ and enjoy the sexual pleasures of them greatly. Anything wrong with that or are you like a number of your people just jealous of the attention that bule men get from ‘your ladies’?
And really they are not ‘your women’ they are their own women and can choose whoever they like to mate with.
Not really that confusing. Cuk is suggesting that the white man stayed in these fertile lands because the women were beautiful. There is no doubt that the women are beautiful.
The link to the FPI is that the white fella and all the other kaffirs will be kept in their place as long as the FPI lives.
I am not sure that all bules marry Indonesian women just for the great sexual pleasure that can be had. Sometimes the sentiment is love rather than lust. Indonesian women that marry bules is such a small percentage of the marriages that happen in Indonesia. I would be surprised why an Indonesian man would be jealous of a bule marrying an Indonesian.
I know plenty of Indonesian women happily married to Indonesian men.
Although Cuk directs the obesity comment to Australia as a comparison to the numbers killed by religious extremists. It is interesting that he fails to note that obesity is likely to be an ever-increasing killer in Indonesia as well.
I guess there are threats everywhere
Obesity contributes to one’s bad health and ultimate death but it is a lifestyle choice and if one is silly enough to consider a BK quad stack the average meal and have one for lunch regularly then that is their own silly fault. A bit like Indonesians who chain smoke and drink Redbull like it is water while telling us it is cool and an aphrodisiac. These are choices we adults make. So, I hardly have any malice towards ‘obesity’ as it can be avoided if we try and eat properly.
On the other hand muslim extremists will kill you, me or cukurungan without remorse while we are taking a bus or cab, going shopping or having a drink somewhere. They would take our wives and kids with us and probably go and celebrate after. So big difference. We don’t ask to get blown up in the prime of our lives leaving behind our families and loved ones for no reason except for the hatred and jealousy of a twisted belief. They are Indonesia’s as well as the west’s enemy and the sooner they realise the better for all of us.
And no Rob, I don’t think Indonesian women are only good for sexual pleasure, if that was true I would surely still be single. But my point is, why did cukurungan raise the issue of local women in this forum. It is totally unrelated unless it is the cause of his hatred of the west.
Oh yes, I also agree with you Rob on the issue of obesity being a killer of Indonesians in the future. Any trip to a mall can tell us that. If their economy improves it is surely going to happen. Indonesians with money live to excess far more than we do. I used to feel ill seeing rich kids eating KFC and Pizza Hut the way they did. They even made the Pizza Hut salad bar look unhealthy. I orefer liberal doses of salad dressing myself rather than drowning my salad in it.
I have to admit that you are three time smarter than Andy and therefore you proved that your self have no much problem to mingle among us who normally use a high class communication method and not monkey communication method. Personally I do not oppose the white man who wants to marry with local woman because the white man and ours have different preference about the woman. Frankly, I am very supportive to any the bule man who want to spend his remaining life in this paradise because their present in our country has reduce the population of the exotic ladies (pembantu look) in our street. If you want to hear my advice just follow Germany, Japanese and Korean who live in this country never try to teach us how we run this country.
Servant of The Truth
Servant of The Truth
Mas Cuk, I think there is a typo. You should sign off as ‘Servant of Islam’.
Yes AAB, you are correct…..what’s going on with the world?
Cukurungan as servant of the truth scares the …. out of me.
Japanese and Korean who live in this country never try to teach us how we run this country.
Are you giggling at your own ignorance and stupidity once again Oink-Gal?
Tell us of your doubtless stratospheric qualifications and vast experience that garners such boundless wisdom and treasures of truth.
Or are you yet another boorish Ostrayan half-wit, brain near capacity on monosyllabic soundbites from the Herald-Sun, Sydney Morning Herald and other such toilet tissue
Or are you yet another boorish Ostrayan half-wit, brain near capacity on monosyllabic soundbites from the Herald-Sun, Sydney Morning Herald and other such toilet tissue
says Purba who hails from the land that brings us such media masterpieces as ‘pos kota’. A paper which has on it’s front page guys getting dragged into cells for having a game of cards or prostitutes rounded up when the rest of the world is covering the global economic crisis. And 3/4 of the paper consists of ads, classifieds and gossip. I wouldn’t mind betting Purba reads this and watches Trans TV every night.
Andy, if PN really is Indonesian, then given his evident education, breadth of knowledge and errudition (and that doesn’t mean for a moment that I even remotely agree with much of the stuff that he comes out with – though it’s funny to see the response it gets) I doubt that the principle source of his media enjoyment is the kind of crap you mention…
Indonesia has some excellent high-brow print media (although PN apparently considers some of the most well-known examples to be “Chinese lick-spittles”, I bet he reads them); it also has some absolute garbage.
Actually one of the things I admire about Indonesia is the vibrancy of its newspaper culture: it’s got it all, good, bad, pretty and ugly. It somewhat resembles the UK print media in this respect, but on a much bigger scale…