Site Discussions

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23 Comments on “Site Discussions”

  1. avatar Ross says:
    August 27th, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    Perhaps Patung could organise an IM convention, like the Trekkies have to meet the crew of the Enterprise.
    A suitable venue would have to be agreed – not Jaksa, since the stuffed-shirts think it’s too common for them, and not Kemang, which is far too posh for me. How about the Jaya Pub?
    Achmad might be loathe to attend, since if he saw me in real life he would be inhibited by his intrinsic honesty from pejorative but inaccurate descriptions, like those which had me bearded, clad in wine-stained batik, etc. But if I promise to conceal my cloven hooves, swishing forked tail and horns, I’m sure veteran oppos could handle the trauma.
    How about it, Patung.

  2. avatar David says:
    August 27th, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    Ross, meeting up, I dunno really, and doubt if we could smoke Achmad out, yes. Nice if there were some kind of agenda or particular reason for it other than just passing the time. I’ve had a dim idea of trying to take the site to ‘the next level’, sort of semi professional with multiple editors, try to get into Google News, then share the revenue, assuming there’s any revenue to share… so could talk about that, or whatever.

  3. avatar Rob says:
    August 27th, 2008 at 4:38 pm

    Achmad writes for the love of language. He is a poet after all. It would seem unlikely that any amount of money would smoke him out. Then again maybe one of his other egos could come along…

  4. avatar Achmad Sudarsono says:
    August 27th, 2008 at 4:39 pm

    All my Seksi Friend,

    Mr. Patoengs, Rob, Ross and others.

    Alas, yes, hard to tear myself away from teh poci in West Java now. Also, I’ve insulted too many people and said too many nasty, unfounded things. I think some would like to punch my lights out.

    Patoengs, have you seen Global Voices ? It’s an aggregated website collating blogs from across Asia set up by Rebecca McKinnon a former Tokyo bureau chief for CNN. Problem with going pro is it’d take alot of the fun out of things. Much sterner quality control. 90 % of my stuff, for example would be banned.

    Then there are accountability issues, ie — getting the basic facts right, which the Indonesian papers often just don’t do. Big challenge for the blogging world once English language newspapers collapse.

    Mr Robs — thank you, Seksi Friend, for appreciating my artistic integrity.

  5. avatar perseus says:
    August 27th, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    Rob wrote:

    Achmad writes for the love of language. He is a poet after all. It would seem unlikely that any amount of money would smoke him out.

    I dunno about that. I thought Achmad wrote for the hate of Australia????

    In terms of cash – I think about IDR 500k would bring him running :-)

    That’s top rupiah for an Indo poet :-)

  6. avatar David says:
    August 27th, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    Achmad, yes, but it’s the internet…getting into Google News and getting advertisers/revenue would be the two main things. The first I think is doable, it’d require some changes, but…site content can be split into sections, so if you’re sending a feed to Google News you can just keep the things that aren’t up to it out of that feed. But there would have to be a core group of people willing to put in regularly. Advertisers/revenue is the harder bit.

  7. avatar Achmad Sudarsono says:
    August 27th, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    you’d have to go for analysis, though. sometimes bloggers — present company excluded — don’t understand what it takes to get the raw clay, the facts. Shoe-leather, sweat, waiting, waiting, waiting, phones slammed down. Or so it seems from movies like All the President’s Men

  8. avatar David says:
    August 27th, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    For Google News I don’t think so, what they want is news, original content with proper attribution, multiple authors, author pages, organisation’s address, phone, fax, server responds fast to requests. Now, remembering that they’re really kool and funky guys at Google and it’s the internet, what does original content mean? Did you get on the phone, did you go some place and talk and take notes – pretty sure that is not what they mean, they mean something that is not basically a duplicate of another page on the web.

  9. avatar Achmad Sudarsono says:
    August 27th, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    Hi Patoengs,

    Do you mean they want aggregators ? People who will collate ? Well, it’s not really original content, is it ? Some poor sucker on the front line has had to gather than stuff…

  10. avatar David says:
    August 27th, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    Do you mean they want aggregators ? People who will collate ? Well, it’s not really original content, is it ?

    No it’s not, but you’re thinking in an old media sense, but I keep saying it’s the internet and it’s Google…to a machine/search engine it is original content…There are actually plenty of blogs already in google news. About the analysis, well you might have something there. Anyhow the site as it is now is certainly not capable of getting in, I did submit once, a long time ago without putting any thought into it, they wrote back saying sorry we don’t accept sites run by individuals.

  11. avatar Achmad Sudarsono says:
    August 27th, 2008 at 4:45 pm

    Patoengs,

    No i get it, but am saying that 90 % of the time old media is the first point of the food chain, new media sits atop it. If someone translates and clips from, say, Jawa Pos, there’s a newspaper, with a reporter-editor-printing press-paper boy-web editor to get it to her. But if there are blogs in Google news, then fair enough, moot point.
    A big question is will people do the work for free ? Google said they only like team blogs, like, say the Jamestown Review on terrorism ? Interesting. Who vets the Blogs to get on Google news ? What’s the pricing ? Would they pay the blog directly, or based on hits. If it’s based on hits, what’s wrong with the current pay structure based on ads ? (adsense ?).
    All too much for a humble poet and ukulele player. Might want to start a separate thread on this, Patoengs.
    best, Achmad.

  12. avatar Ross says:
    August 27th, 2008 at 4:47 pm

    The Patung Next Stage sounds interesting.

    Okay, I can see that a face-to-face gathering is not on. A pity. So much curiosity, that could be satisfied within twenty minutes over a beer…..

  13. avatar Andy says:
    August 28th, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    Maybe if I returned to Jakarta for the occasion, I could have a caged wrestling match with my regular sparring partner Purba. Just a thought.

  14. avatar David says:
    August 28th, 2008 at 5:13 pm

    A big question is will people do the work for free ? Google said they only like team blogs, like, say the Jamestown Review on terrorism ? Interesting. Who vets the Blogs to get on Google news ? What’s the pricing ? Would they pay the blog directly, or based on hits. If it’s based on hits, what’s wrong with the current pay structure based on ads ? (adsense ?).

    You submit, somebody from Google reviews it, you don’t pay anything, they don’t pay you anything. It’s just a way of getting more traffic and exposure, no more. Any (total) revenue would be shared, and yes it would come from adsense or possibly direct advertising. If adsense I’d be pessimistic about the revenue levels, if direct ads it could be better.

    The other avenue would be having some sort of (semi) paid membership site, splitting content into paid (high quality stuff, analysis, interactive content, video/audio) and free stuff. In internet marketing circles there’s a bit of a movement towards this now, as opposed to the conventional free content splatter gun approach.

    The first method you need tons of traffic to get anywhere in revenue terms, the second method you can do the maths in your head, x fee per month times x number of people subscribing = whatever – you don’t need the big numbers there to make it a going concern. A lot would depend on marketing, a lot would have to be done differently.

  15. avatar Achmad Sudarsono says:
    August 28th, 2008 at 5:59 pm

    Well, Patoengs, I’d say in a humble, ukulele-twanging way, don’t quit the day job. If you did, would it be worth it in such a rapidly-changing environment ? Keeping something like this going is a job, and you already know how that feels, my friend. I think you’ve got a loyal following now. I’ll do my bit to be less offensive if you think that’d help. You know where to find me. :-)
    x o .

  16. avatar Purba Negoro says:
    August 28th, 2008 at 7:07 pm

    Andy,
    Should I wear my “black Probo” latex-metal backless codpiece some very friendly Sydney gents gave me?

  17. avatar Andy says:
    August 29th, 2008 at 2:03 am

    Whatever you like, i’m sure you have many friends in Jakarta with similar attire also.

  18. avatar Purba Negoro says:
    August 29th, 2008 at 2:54 am

    Andy-
    of course, should I invite them along with both our wives?

  19. avatar perseus says:
    August 29th, 2008 at 5:51 am

    Gentlemen, I think you should move this discussion to http://jakartablokm.com/forum/index.php!

    It is getting far too racy for this G rated forum…

  20. avatar perseus says:
    August 29th, 2008 at 6:02 am

    Apropos of the IM convention, I am reliably informed by a snout in DSD (The Australian Defense Signals Directorate – this is the one that listens to Indonesians talking in the clear about how to cover up the dead Australian journalists – durrr…. They also have lots of nice pillow talk from strident anti-porn Indo parliamentarians with their Mia Noi) that Aluang is in fact a Mossad operative sitting in the Embassy of Israel in Jakarta. His mission is to give Muslims a bad name.

    Achmad is just a cyberbludging military attache at the British Embassy. He has no mission. He just does it for kicks…

    This is why they don’t want to meet… Don’t believe their feeble excuses…

  21. avatar David says:
    August 29th, 2008 at 1:41 pm

    Well, Patoengs, I’d say in a humble, ukulele-twanging way, don’t quit the day job. If you did, would it be worth it in such a rapidly-changing environment ? Keeping something like this going is a job, and you already know how that feels, my friend. I think you’ve got a loyal following now. I’ll do my bit to be less offensive if you think that’d help. You know where to find me. :-)

    You might be right, although haven’t had a day job in years, plenty of opportunities out there on the www, this particular one maybe better to just keep for generating accusations of Mossad involvement.

  22. avatar perseus says:
    August 29th, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    Judging by his pretense of rationality and near omniscient power, and according to my snout at the DSD, Patung is Head of the CIA Station in Jakarta.

    His mission is to “whup George Foreman” which is code for something – not sure what :-)

  23. avatar Cukurungan says:
    August 29th, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    YTH Pak Achmad,

    I am just waiting and seeing…oh thank… you do not get trap by bule invitation to meet on the discussion ….remember the fate of our ancient hero of Pangeran Diponegoro…He was also trapped by Dutch in the fake discussion. It seemed some bule have no longer able to face the harsh truth we have been revealed onto them.

    However, we may need consider to attend on the meeting but in our term not the bule term….we may set-up this meeting at Dragon Fly or Blow Fish Restaurant especially on the Bikini night so every attendant should wear Bikini …could you imagine if Mr. Oigal and Ross wearing bikini …it must be very sexy



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