9 Comments on “Green & Energy Solutions”
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sputjam Says:
September 5th, 2008 at 10:37 pmmost neglected green energy in indonesia is harnessing electricity by sea currents(especially if flow of water is between two land mass that comes to a narrow channel) and thermal from volcanic situations.
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Purba Negoro Says:
September 6th, 2008 at 1:05 amWhatever pollution Indonesia generates- it is far les than the smallest polluter of the G8.
Not only is entirely unfair, it is obscenely insulting that carbon expelling minnow Indonesia should be damaged by the greed of the hydrocarbon-addicted West.
Quite simply- whatever green initiatives should be undertaken in Indonesia should be entirely paid for by the guilty West pro bono for the benefit of the People of Indonesia- whose lands will soon be submerged.
Sputjam- entirely agree- geothermal is currently being investigated- isn’t it ironic that Chevron is one of the world leaders in geothermal and deep bore technology.
I have no idea why it is not implemented further- I can only imagine that the issue is geo-graphic stability or that one industry would be entirely insular in that it would not be part subsidising another- ie coal and coal fired plants- a huge industry with perpetual ongoing costs.
Russians currently have dug the deepest bore into the lower crust- so Russians have excellent expertise in this area too.
Indonesia has masses of gas- an excellent and highly efficient fuel- if Indonesia is to adopt conventional yet clean(-ish) prower production- I agree LNG fired turbines is very attractive too.
But the West should pay for it- especially hot air expeller, historic enemy of ethanol, electric cars and diesel enemy number one: USA.
Those arrogant bastards ruined the planet- let them pay to fix it.
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Callum Roxburgh Says:
September 6th, 2008 at 12:15 pmPurba NEgoro wrote “Whatever pollution Indonesia generates- it is far les than the smallest polluter of the G8.”
This is a commonly held belief but is just not true.
If you measure CO2 emissions only by what come out of smokestacks and tailpipes the Indonesia produces more than the smallest emiter of the G8 Countries.
Indonesia Produces 378,250,000 Metric Tons of CO2 annually, while France Produces 373,693,000 Metric Tons.
If you also take into account, Slash and Burn farming, Peat Bog Destruction and Deforestation as they contribute to the planets CO2 load, the Indonesia is Ranked number 3 in the World behind the US and China.
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September 6th, 2008 at 1:53 pmPerhaps the countries of the G7 can instead of willingly paying for:
palm oil from plantations known to have been caused from slash-and-burn/deforestation
purchasing exotic timbers and slow-groing such as ebony, mahogany etc
keenly outsource undesirable polluting manufacture to third world countries and spoil their environments by subverting their environmental lawscan actually put its’ money where its’ mouth is and pay for some restoration work instead of constantly pillaging.
Furthermore Callum, your argument is rather hollow.
Indonesia has only become a “leading polluter” in the past decade or so.
You also cleverly do not factor in Australian high-sulfur brown low-calorific value coal export.We have not been exploding atmospheric nuclear devices or drained nations of their oil reserves, nor been inincerating coal for more than a century- unlike the US and UK.
Callum’s data correction does not parry the thrust of the argument- this is merely poor attempt at undermining the solid fundamental logic of the argument via trivia.
The West has polluted the most for longest
thus the West should foot the bill for planetary restoration and reparation- NOT the johnny-come-lately Third World. -
September 8th, 2008 at 7:57 pmmore than a decade ago, dr mahathir suggested that developed countries pay less developed countries to keep their jungles free from being developed as a carbon sink.
Today, we hear norway, willingly contribute by paying brazil hundreds of millions for the service. Maybe indonesia should initiate similar moves. -
September 8th, 2008 at 8:09 pmGood suggestion.
Maybe the West should pay us to keep our trees, instead of paying us to clear fell them- then pointing the blaming stick back at us.
If the West is so concerned- where are the donations of solar panels?
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Enigmatic Says:
September 11th, 2008 at 10:48 pmPurba Negoro Says:
September 8th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
Good suggestion.Maybe the West should pay us to keep our trees, instead of paying us to clear fell them- then pointing the blaming stick back at us.
If the West is so concerned- where are the donations of solar panels?
Well then again PN, if we’re having gloomy skies because of the fog, we won’t be maximising the panels would we? Besides, would the West trust Indonesia with the panels and hope that the parties that deserve it really get it when the corruption is still endemic? I don’t think so.
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Danielle Says:
September 30th, 2008 at 12:58 pmWell you seem to have all the answers, don’t you. If fuel in Indonesia weren’t subsidized, you’d be able to afford it, but the vast majority would not. How’s the local farmer going to get his veggies to the market?
People in Indonesia would not buy a hybrid, fuel cell or electric automobile regardless of whether the fuel is subsidized or unsubsidized because the cost of those vehicles are prohibitive to most Indonesians (not to mention myself).
Doing the ‘right’ thing is always easier when you can afford it, isn’t it.
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Lyl Says:
October 9th, 2008 at 11:33 amSo, what is the plan ? Would the lovely Indonesia become the most poluted country in the world or be a better contry ? I’ve been hearing from people left and right that more and more children (Indonesian future generation) get allergies and respiratory problem. Why we have to ask other country hand out all the time. Can we do better than asking donation ?
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