Indonesians vs. Jakarta Expats

July 14th, 2008, in Opinion, by Hans

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Tags: Bule, Culture, Cultures, Foreigners, Indonesians, Jakarta, Western, Western Culture

102 Comments on “Indonesians vs. Jakarta Expats”

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Odinius Says:
July 25th, 2008 at 11:23 pm
Read the dictionary entry again, friend. Gift-as-verb dates back to the year 1550. Besides, if we didn’t want language to move forward, I’d be more likely to say:

þín Englisc gewrit sy ætealdod
Lairedion Says:
July 26th, 2008 at 6:56 pm
dewa said:

@ rima & Lairedion

Both of you may become part of the reunited ‘Vereenigde Nederlanden’? What’s your opinion?

I don’t care really. Right now I’m exploring business opportunities in Spain and have plans to relocate over there. Better climate and food and me and my wife really appreciate the Mediterranean culture of joie de vivre.

Great, yet another IM thread has evolved into an elitist, semi-intellectual exercise. Is this really the cultural change Patung is searching after?
AchmadSudarsono Says:
July 26th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
Laird,

Awesome ! Good for you.

Odinius,

Alot of things happened in the 14th century - like Jews gettings stakes up their arses for not converting to Catholicism.

I’m just saying it ain’t pretty.
Aluang Anak Bayang Says:
July 26th, 2008 at 11:57 pm
@ Lairedion

Great, yet another IM thread has evolved into an elitist, semi-intellectual exercise. Is this really the cultural change Patung is searching after?

If you think this is bad, wait till you scroll back to “Dating Indonesian Girls”. It had been reduced to a personal forum until I barged in.
dewaratugedeanom Says:
July 27th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
@ Lairedion

I don’t care really. Right now I’m exploring business opportunities in Spain and have plans to relocate over there.

Wish you success. Arriba y adelante.
rajabola Says:
July 31st, 2008 at 5:00 pm
Thursday Afternoon Traffic ;
Indonesian - blood pressure ; 120
Bule (me for example) - blood pressure ; 200 - and rising.

Friday Afternoon after traffic ;
Indonesian - blood alcohol level ; 0
Bule (me for example) - blood alcohol level 4.5 - and rising.
perseus Says:
August 3rd, 2008 at 3:24 pm
Verbing nouns (if friend Aluang will pardon the expression) is one of the characteristics of modern English.

This is probably a main reason why English rules the world (culturally, scientifically, militarily and economically). The flexibility of conceptual expression is unmatched in more grammar-laden languages such as French, German and Italian, where to get a new verb up you have to fabricate large piles of tense forms. In English, you only have verb, verbs, verbed and verbing and all the rest is auxiliary verbs (i am verbing) and modals (I can verb) and phrasals (verb off).

Not all the verbings of nouns are successful but gifted is established as legitimate and to object to it futile. It has a nuance that the more generic give does not. I therefore advise friend Aluang to restrict his erudite advice to reminding us white guys that we are all worthless colonialist, imperialist, porn-consuming pedophile swine which is a subject on which he can speak with boundless authority.
tomaculum Says:
August 3rd, 2008 at 5:18 pm
White (or Bule): can be (very) sarcastic and ironic
Indonesian: sharpen their knife immediately…..

Perseus,
you hit the bull’s eye
Purba Negoro Says:
August 3rd, 2008 at 8:33 pm
Perseus?

Either a Greek God (which we all know means more of a flaming sodomite than a Greek sailor in a Turkish prison) or a rather dim Northern cunstellation?

Could you clear this up?

Tongue in cheek, of course old boy.
Zecky Says:
August 6th, 2008 at 11:22 pm
I’m looking at Liu’s artwork… it’s surprisingly accurate - to me, anyway.

My dad’s Indonesian - he used to be relatively Western when I was a child, but in the last decade he’s spent more and more time back home in Java, and more and more he’s behaving like Liu shows.

And as for power inequality - it’s true! It doesn’t matter about the USA - that’s not the point, here… I’ve known a range of Indonesians, from filthy rich to almost poor, and I’d never introduce such friends to one another because I’d know the first would certainly hate to be seen conversing with the hoi polloi.
First the Hindu castes, then the Dutch, then Soeharto - it’s no surprise that power inequality is live and kicking in Indo!
Benjamin Says:
August 13th, 2008 at 7:08 am
Some Indonesian have 4 wife’s
Some Bule have the Indonesians 4 wives without him knowing
Sisir Says:
November 6th, 2008 at 12:02 am
Aluang Anak Bayang, loe goblok banget sih, local indo and most asians kagak ada pedophile? Bapak pada forcing their daughters to have sex with them, bapak making daughters pregnant, stepfathers doing stepdaughters even udah kakek2 juga maksa cucu2nya. Kagak pernah baca koran yeh loe? Think again before you speak dude! Jangan munafik deh (hypocrite). Typical self righteous asian guy loe, malu2in org asia aje.