Islam Revert

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  1. avatar diego says:
    December 16th, 2009 at 10:25 pm

    why is muhammadelijah wasting his time here?

  2. avatar devilkitty says:
    December 17th, 2009 at 6:36 am

    i think bule, asian, and african mualaf are cute & sweet :>

  3. avatar devilkitty says:
    December 17th, 2009 at 6:44 am

    And this bule girl is the sweetest, i love her so much *as a sister* really do.
    http://www.youtube.com/user/Englishrosemuslim <3

  4. avatar Oigal says:
    December 17th, 2009 at 7:51 am

    Muhammad Iqbal:One of the greatest 20th century revolutionary Muslim thinkers

    Also famous as being part of the world shortest book.

  5. avatar Oigal says:
    December 17th, 2009 at 8:42 am

    why is muhammadelijah wasting his time here?

    Because its just a ugly, nasty troll, unlikely to be Muslim at all just spouting the very ugliest and silliest of Islamic cliché’s causing non Muslim reader to laugh out loud and the Muslim reader to wince.

    It a bit like having one of the deep South Christian Snake handlers claiming to represent Christianity and people assuming that reflects the reality.

    The sad part is that so many insecure, mentally disturbed, lonely young men and woman actually fall for the toss and create so much misery for all of those around them. Personally not a topic that a Troll should play with but then Trolls are hardly the pinnacle of society.

  6. avatar devilkitty says:
    December 17th, 2009 at 8:45 am

    Ugly ? this guy’s a muslim http://www.youtube.com/user/fredu89 i dont think he’s that bad looking.

  7. avatar Achmad Sudarsono says:
    December 17th, 2009 at 8:52 am

    Ah, yes, Oigal the Defender of Truth and Justice, this time Muslims. And Muslims have such a high opinion of aetheism, Oigal. (He calls religious people ‘God Botherers’). It’s really good to have you point out Indonesia – and the world’s – problems, Oigsie.

  8. avatar donny says:
    December 17th, 2009 at 9:43 am

    I would love to visit only such a country where people are true to God, true to their beliefs and apply God’s laws as their beliefs demand them. Yahood or Jews have already betrayed The Tauraat, Nasaaraa or Christians have already betrayed The Injeel , but true Muslims would never betray The Qur’an.

    so sorry to break the news for you … but can you show me the proof (not from Islamic world about Jews betrayed Tauraat … ?? sooo funny that Mohammed, who did not even familiar with Jewish tradition condemn Jewish is betraying Tauraat … whilst he himself is illiterate …

    ohhh … I forgot … he got it from “divine” instruction … like when he killed 900 jewish man who already surrendered … =D

    I would like to visit a country where I would fear prosecution for my violations of God’s laws.

    go to Saudi Arabia, then … your wife may get lashes for simply wearing pants … =D

    1. How the people who control the media you are in contact with, censor the news regarding Muslim world.(not doing anything) is your disingenuous assumption or an outright lie. The people who administer the implementation of God’s laws( Qudaah plural of Qaadi which literally means Judge) are the most learned, most pious, most just of Muslim holy men. They are the most unlike Christian clergy who instituted Inquisition, and exercised their own personal authority rather than seeking and implementing God’s will. Our perspective is radically different. We percieve them as just as or even more just than how you view your secular courts. The proof required is that four witnesses should testify to have observed the extreme sexual act.

    did you read the news or not ?? amnesty international is watching this case and asking Saudis to release this poor woman – and this is not doing anything ??

    and funny thing was … the judge … human beings are fallible … and by giving such person an authority and full belief … you’re putting your head on a silver tray … this is complete stupidity …

    most learned, most pious, most just … in what parameter ?? Hitler is considered best of all leader, most learned, most just by Germans during his time … and look what he do with full support of his people …

    PLEASE … use your brain and READ … the grannies DID NOT COMMIT adultery … she’s breaking SEX SEGGREGATION LAW … thus only get lashes, not stoned to death …
    this is how sexual pervert mind work … every woman is a possible sexual object, including grannies …

    I suggest frontal lobotomy to clean up your dirty brain, my friend …

    and surely you’re agreeing that this old woman deserved to be lashed because the “most pious, most just, most learned” condemn her to be lashed ??

    Do you really care about Muslim women and children being mass-slaughtered by bombs and Muslim prisoners? Do you care about Zainab al-Ghazali.

    Do you really care for ‘brainwashed’ Muslims who are martyred while at prayer?
    Do you care about the Muslim martyrs of Red Mosque who were bombed to by a Muslim dictator at the behest of George W. Bush?

    I am against all violence … of course I care … that’s why I donate to red cross … and to its counterparts … with red crescent moon logo … HAVE YOU ???

    I also care about your fellow muslims brothers killed by your “also” muslim brothers …

    2009/12/08 – 5 car bombs killed 127 Iraqis in Baghdad …
    2009/12/07 – Sunni radicals bomb Shia School in Baghdad .. 8 dead (7 children)
    2009/12/03 – Doctors and students are among twenty-two people blown to bits at a medical school graduation by a “Shahid” in Somalia

    and many many many many more … I can send you the complete list if you want to …
    who’s more barbaric ?? OPEN YOUR EYES …

    We know our freedom-fighter brothers and sisters very well. There are highly qualified professionals among them. Examples include Dr. Arshad Waheed from Karachi who was a qualified medical doctor.

    well … he’s lucky he’s not graduated from Somalia’s medical school …

    We know very well that US is playing double-game.

    perhaps they do … but MUSLIMS is the masters of double game and double standard … !! whilst playing victim … they’re the worst of human rights violator …

    MIND YOU that US and many “foreign devils” is not doing that by the name of their God or their religion … but only yours killed while shouting the name of your god

    last one …

    wherever fear exist, love is not …
    whatever good deeds you’re accumulating until now … it’s because of fear …
    fear of hellfire, fear of breaking the law … where’s the sincerity then
    what different are you from animals, who worked for its master for fearing lashes ?

    whatever good deeds you’re accumulating right now … it’s because of your expectation of reward …
    reward of worldly wealth, reward of paradise
    what different are you from employees, who did their thing for expectation of salary ?
    did your god employ you ??

    why not trying love ??
    love prevent you doing things NOT because fear of punishment
    but because you know that it will hurt The One you love …

    simply like you quit smoking because you know that your wife did not like it
    not because you’re afraid she will kick you in the ass or slash your throat during your sleep

    how about love for the Creator ?

  9. avatar donny says:
    December 17th, 2009 at 9:57 am

    update !!

    By KHALID TANVEER (AP)

    DERA GHAZI KHAN, Pakistan — A suicide attacker detonated a car bomb in a market close to a politician’s home in central Pakistan on Tuesday (12/15/09), killing 33 people and showing the increasing reach of Taliban militants in the nuclear-armed nation.
    Tuesday’s attack in the Punjabi town of Dera Ghazi Khan badly damaged the lawmaker’s house and nearby shops and buildings, including a mosque and bank. It was unclear whether the bomber was targeting the home of the politician, who was not there at the time, or the market.

    The dead and most of the injured were people shopping or working at the market.

    As night fell, people searched through the debris for survivors trapped under the rubble.

    “The whole market has collapsed,” said Raza Khan, a local resident. “There is smoke and people running here and there.”

    Rescue official Natiq Hayat said 33 people were killed and 60 wounded. Government official Hasan Iqbal said the attack was carried out by a suicide bomber.

    The attacker had packed the car with about 900 pounds (400 kilograms) of explosives, senior police officer Mohammad Rizwan said.

    any comment, Elijah ??

    or perhaps you should watch

    in essence :
    There is no such thing as innocent infidel. They are all guilty of not accepting islam, they must be killed. Above is the top Islamic authority of islam and a leading muslim lawyer explains it in a BBC interview

  10. avatar Cukurungan says:
    December 17th, 2009 at 10:14 am

    If I understand correctly Cukurungan considers terrorist bombings and beheadings of foreigners a minor problem because some people in the west are suffering and dying from addiction to food, alcohol and drugs.

    Dear Mr ET

    It is not a minor problem but there is much bigger, deeper and broader problem than just the terrorist bombings that need to be addressed as TOP Priority because extreme poverty, famine, corruption killed more people than terrorist bombing in the third world while drug addiction, obesity, suicide and sex related dieses killed much more people than al Qaeda in the western world.
    However, because of fighting poverty, obesity and sex related dieses are not fancy stories in the news paper or in TV program hence the west media bombarding people with tale stories that terrorist bombing as the major humanity problem.
    By seeing overall picture, let be honest, what is major driving factor of all the world misery and problem. Is it because muslim banging their head on the floor or because the greediness and shameless of the few elite western people.
    We are looking forward your opinion.

    Regards,
    Servant of Truth

  11. avatar devilkitty says:
    December 17th, 2009 at 10:24 am

    @Donny : In Islam, the Quran doesnt forbid women to work and study, if in some countries women are prohibited to have education and job it is based on Culture and not religion. For example, in Indonesia or Malaysia when woman driving a car is not a Sin (except if she’s naked xD).

    Although these Saudi girls can go to medical schools http://www.ameinfo.com/208125-large.html
    or these Arabian businesswomen also live in Islamic Countries :

  12. avatar muhammadelijah says:
    December 17th, 2009 at 11:05 am

    2009/12/07 – Sunni radicals bomb Shia School in Baghdad .. 8 dead (7 children)

    Sunni freedom-fighters don’t have the time for these actions,nor do the Shia freedom-fighters. They common focus of their struggle in expulsion of the mass-slaugheterer invaders.

    Both of them are convinced of the truthfulness of Muhammad(sall Allahu ‘alaihi wasallam) and the Divine origin of The Holy Qur’an.
    Both are fulfilling the following commandment of God.

    Soorah Al-Baqarah[Cow]
    Aayah 190
    AND FIGHT in God’s cause against those who wage war against you,but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors.
    http://honorablequran.com/2.htm

    How do Godless materialists dare to suggest that after subjugating,robbing,sexually abusing and mass-slaughtering both Sunnis and Shias in Iraq based on preposterous lies? Do selfish materialists really care about Shias? The same people who were complicit in the mass-slaughter of Shias of Iran by Sunni stooge Saddam to suppress Islamic revolution in Iran. Then they hanged to death the same Sunni head of state in front of the eyes of 1.4 billion Muslims exactly on Eidul Adhaa. Now after subjugating us,they are using the “Divide and Conquer” rule, because Godless materialists are naturally cowards who fear death and they resort to deception to subjugate men of faith.

    Sunnis and Shias of the world would continue to stand shoulder to shoulder against Godless materialist tyrants just like Hamas(Sunni) and Hezbollah(Shia) stand shoulder to shoulder against the Zionist robbers.

    Iran cares much about Shias, and they know us Sunnis very well. The cruel tyrants need not to decieve us to forget the tyranny of the tyrants.

  13. avatar Cukurungan says:
    December 17th, 2009 at 11:29 am

    As for our factually impaired Cuk, alway a hoot in ignorance..

    tell me who is the biggest polluter of atmosphere during the last 20 years.

    (China, India and Indonesia are right up there last I heard, with none of the benefits to the people that the “west” has achieved). Cuk did you go to one of those lesbian schools that in M’s fanasty?

    Pak Oigal,
    Do not take my world just see below:

    http://www.allcountries.org/ranks/carbon_footprints_emmissions_of_countries_1990-2004.html

    The above picture tell itself that to let alive 300 million the western people have been causing more release pollutant to Atmosphere than combine more than 2 billions people China and India.
    In addition, you have no ground to blame India & China because they are just following the same trail of the west; they are trying to improve welfare of their people by manipulating people to increase their consumption. Of course, they have not yet achieved what the west has been enjoyed because they have to bring much more people than the west.
    And if you are a little bit smart, you will see clearly that the improving welfare in India and China is already at cost the welfare condition of the west middle class, as we speak OBAMA Team working hard to create a job for Middle Class but the most manufacturing job and IT job was already gone either to China or India and sooner or later the only remaining job for the US middle class will be only the Wal-Mart trolley pusher, soldier, drug dealer or hooker.
    I think the most beneficiary of the west idiocy toward Islam is China and India because when the west is busy for spending trillions dollar to up-grade their weaponry to defeat the old fashion fighter, in other hand China and India spends their money wisely to exert more control on the world natural resources and economy.
    Fyi, my school is not lesbian school but Insult Academy founded by Drs Achmad Sudarsono.. hehehe

    Regards,
    Servant of Truth

  14. avatar Nay says:
    December 17th, 2009 at 11:33 am

    There is no such thing as innocent infidel. They are all guilty of not accepting islam, they must be killed. Above is the top Islamic authority of islam and a leading muslim lawyer explains it in a BBC interview

    The problem with Islam is that, as an ORGANIZED RELIGION (not as a philosophy) it has gone the same way as the Prophet Mohammed. What started out as a benign philosophy suddenly got a whiff of power and went on a conquest, ripping up all the tenets it sought to bequeath mankind along the way when it saw it could get away with it. It has strayed so far from what it was supposed to be, it’s hard to see how one can put the “Islamic genie” back in the bottle, so to speak. Islam, as a religion, is in dire need of a whole reformation of thought, it almost reaches the point where you have to throw a good chunk of it out.

    Mohammed may have been a prophet, but he certainly wasn’t a saint, and wasn’t free of sin either. The point where Mohammed starts giving himself special privileges above and beyond normal Muslims is the point where he really “lost it”, and at that point I would find it difficult to see how one could really follow his teachings when there’s one law for Mohammed and one for everyone else. The fact that later Islamic text abrogates earlier text ends up creating a “rainbow ruse” effect where scholars basically get to pick and choose from both sides of the spectrum… and Islam has fractured into tribalism… (something Mohammed even warned his followers about).. whereby there is Muslim against Muslim, and Muslim against everyone else.

    I ask, how can Islam (as the organized religion) unite humanity when it seeks to fight amongst itself, and put imaginary barriers between Muslims and non-Muslims alike?

  15. avatar Achmad Sudarsono says:
    December 17th, 2009 at 11:33 am

    Good work, Brother Cuk.

  16. avatar donny says:
    December 17th, 2009 at 11:37 am

    Ahhh … Mr. Assmad is back

    long time no see =D

    how are you, Assmad ?? I hope you’re fine and happy =D

    does it ever occured to you to open some kind of fans club here ? I’ll join you =D

  17. avatar Achmad Sudarsono says:
    December 17th, 2009 at 11:40 am

    Thanks, Bro Donny. More posts to follow. I am just improving my knowledge of Bule Mualaf. hope you’re well. : P

  18. avatar donny says:
    December 17th, 2009 at 11:54 am

    @Donny : In Islam, the Quran doesnt forbid women to work and study, if in some countries women are prohibited to have education and job it is based on Culture and not religion. For example, in Indonesia or Malaysia when woman driving a car is not a Sin (except if she’s naked xD).

    really ??

    so you have a lot to of homework to do, then … since many of women are still oppressed in Islamic countries … of which Malaysia and Indonesia are NOT

    Following is a list of the fabulous and amazing rights Muslim women possess! This list is based on the Saudi Arabian version of Islam (Wahhabism), which strictly follows the teachings of the Koran, Mohammed, etc., and which is being spread all over the world largely because of oil riches. The Arabian peninsula is where Islam arose, and the Saudis consider themselves the keepers of true Islam. Others adhering to similar “religious” female enslavement and oppression include the Iranians, Afghanis and Pakistanis.

    Muslim women have the right never to associate or even speak to a man who is not related to them by genetics or marriage.
    Muslim women have the right to be beaten if they associate with unrelated men.
    Muslim women have the right to be segregated based on their gender.
    Muslim women have the right to be enslaved by a man they don’t love, forced into “arranged marriages” at a young age, against their wills.
    Muslim women have the right to call their enslaver “husband.”
    Muslim women have the right to obey their enslavers/husbands.
    Muslim women have the right to endure regular beatings by their husbands.
    Muslim women have the right to reproduce continually after forced into an
    arranged marriage and raped against their wills by their “husbands.”
    Muslim women have the right to be denied divorce from violent and abusive husbands.
    Muslim women have the right to lose their children if their husbands divorce
    them.
    Muslim women have the right not to marry a non-Muslim.
    Muslim women have the right to be beaten if they don’t cover themselves up.
    Muslim women have the right to stay out the life-giving sunshine by being forced
    to cover up.
    Muslim women have the right to become deficient in vitamin D and develop
    osteomalacia from sunshine-deprivation.
    Muslim women have the right to dress in black so they become overheated in the
    hot desert sun of Arab countries.
    Muslim women have the right not to be educated. (Pakistan, Afghanistan)
    Muslim women have the right never to operate a car.
    Muslim women have the right never to leave their houses without a male relative accompanying them.
    Muslim women have the right to be stoned or hanged for being raped.
    Muslim women have the right to be brutally murdered for “dishonoring” their families.
    Muslim women have the right to be murdered for leaving Islam.

    do you agree that we should help them ??
    or do you believe as per your prophet said that women is not equal to men ?

    According to hadith 3.826, Muhammad said that women are genetically and legally inferior: ‘Muhammad asked some women, “Isn’t the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?” The women said, “Yes.” He said, “This is because of the deficiency of the woman’s mind.”‘…

    NOTE that I believe that women are equal to men …

  19. avatar Oigal says:
    December 17th, 2009 at 12:00 pm

    Laugh 2004 Cuk???… You need to catch up with the real world Indonesia and China are currently juggling for the top 3 spots.

    I never blame anyone for anything I just pointed out yet another factual trainsmash from yourself (although thats just about every post). Schooling is not an area you should brag about :-). As for the rest of your nonsense…yawwwwwwwnnn,…one trick pony like your mentor

    DK..

    In Islam, the Quran doesnt forbid women to work and study, if in some countries women are prohibited to have education and job it is based on Culture and not religion.

    Don’t tell Donny, tell the curious and bizarre Muhammadelijah, he is the troll educating us on the ways of Islam with precious little rebuttal (as so often the case) from educated and moderate believers of the faith.

    “M”

    Iran cares much about Shias, and they know us Sunnis very well. The cruel tyrants need not to decieve us to forget the tyranny of the tyrants.

    :-) Yet again big belly chuckles…What faith and sect are the tens of thousands of Iranians in jail and being jailed as we speak..

    Look forward to the next sponsored tirade Assmad, let me know when your boss tells you what to say.

  20. avatar Oigal says:
    December 17th, 2009 at 12:05 pm

    We percieve them as just as or even more just than how you view your secular courts. The proof required is that four witnesses should testify to have observed the extreme sexual act.

    The above from the big “M” must be very reassuring for you DK, after all M is claiming to speak for ALL Muslims so it must be right.

  21. avatar muhammadelijah says:
    December 17th, 2009 at 12:22 pm

    … she’s breaking SEX SEGGREGATION LAW …

    God’s laws don’t change because Godless materialists don’t like them. I salute the brave Qaadi who has defied the entire world to seek God’s will. No unrelated male has a right to be in Khalwah seclusion with an unrelated female in Islam. Everyone is equal before law,and law is not subjective. It judges actions not intentions.

  22. avatar devilkitty says:
    December 17th, 2009 at 12:26 pm

    These are True and make sense:
    Muslim women have the right not to marry a non-Muslim.

    Muslim women have the right to be beaten if they associate with unrelated men.
    women AND men. “Associate” in specific meaning as “Humping”…

    These are Myths :
    Muslim women have the right never to associate or even speak to a man who is not related to them by genetics or marriage.
    Muslim women have the right to be beaten if they don’t cover themselves up.
    Muslim women have the right never to operate a car.
    Muslim women have the right to stay out the life-giving sunshine by being forced to cover up.
    Muslim women have the right to become deficient in vitamin D and develop osteomalacia from sunshine-deprivation.
    Muslim women have the right to dress in black so they become overheated in thehot desert sun of Arab countries.
    Muslim women have the right not to be educated. (Pakistan, Afghanistan)

    These are not Islamic :
    Muslim women have the right to be stoned or hanged for being raped.
    Muslim women have the right to be brutally murdered for “dishonoring” their families.
    Muslim women have the right to be murdered for leaving Islam.

    These happen not exclusively in Arabian Culture society.
    Muslim women have the right to be segregated based on their gender.
    Muslim women have the right to be enslaved by a man they don’t love, forced into “arranged marriages” at a young age, against their wills.
    Muslim women have the right to lose their children if their husbands divorce them.
    Muslim women have the right never to leave their houses without a male relative accompanying them.

    Islam doesnt see Husband as enslaver instead om Imam, Imam is the leader in household that must support the family. While these are sick prejudice…
    Muslim women have the right to call their enslaver “husband.”
    Muslim women have the right to obey their enslavers/husbands.
    Muslim women have the right to endure regular beatings by their husbands.
    Muslim women have the right to reproduce continually after forced into an arranged marriage and raped against their wills by their “husbands.”

  23. avatar devilkitty says:
    December 17th, 2009 at 12:27 pm

    instead of*

  24. avatar devilkitty says:
    December 17th, 2009 at 1:01 pm

    Btw Donny, you said

    NOTE that I believe that women are equal to men …
    so you have a lot to of homework to do, then … since many of women are still oppressed in Islamic countries … of which Malaysia and Indonesia are NOT

    For me, Egality doesnt equal Identical.

    We’re equal when we live and work in the society, we’re also equal in the eye of the Creator, but we’re not Equal when it comes to Responsibility. Naturally there are distict role and characteristic between men and women. As Muslim we understand Women and Men each have special treats, we are Equal to Men but we can never be the same as them. Islam knows that men are “Weak” species, (oh yes you are..) Islam knows for the sake of ourselves and our brothers that we should not lure the men into their weakness, while at the same time.. men and women have biological need which naturally in different proportion between men and women.

    Being woman is not that easy, as well as being a man. We women have suffered enough with our “monthly phase”, we naturally have obligation to bare a child, and we are naturally have more estrogen hormon compare to men while men’s characteristic is effected by testosterone hormon, but being men is not that simple either.. because of your Special characteristic, you MUST bare responsibility to be Imam, support the family, and be questioned in the afterlife about it, and us Women.. with our Special characteristic we have responsibility to support our husband to become a good imam, and help him supporting the family by NOT being a bitchy wife :p

  25. avatar Nay says:
    December 17th, 2009 at 1:15 pm

    I think that this just goes to show that Islam as an organized religion, has strayed very far from it’s purpose in places around the world.

  26. avatar deta says:
    December 17th, 2009 at 1:19 pm

    Muslim women have the right never to operate a car.

    Oooh… how am I supposed to go to work everyday? Angkot doesn’t reach my house and taxi is just too expensive to use on daily basis.

    Donny, please draw the line between Islam and Wahhabism, or at least consider that Wahhabism is a part of Islam (not equal with), if that’s not too much to ask…..

  27. avatar Oigal says:
    December 17th, 2009 at 1:33 pm

    Interesting you focus on Donny DK, yet the one suggesting you are not a good Muslim is muhammadelijah.

    Which is the crux of the conversation. No one (except M)said that any one nation or group or religion (or no religion) is perfect. What is hard to understand is the ability of radical trolls and real life nutters to continually spew the vile hatred of all who do not subscribe to their brutal rubbish without ever being challenged by other more reasonable people of faith.

    … she’s breaking SEX SEGGREGATION LAW …

    God’s laws don’t change because Godless materialists don’t like them. I salute the brave Qaadi who has defied the entire world to seek God’s will. No unrelated male has a right to be in Khalwah seclusion with an unrelated female in Islam. Everyone is equal before law,and law is not subjective. It judges actions not intentions

    and you focus on Donny??

    .

  28. avatar devilkitty says:
    December 17th, 2009 at 1:38 pm

    Yes, i mostly agree with M and very much disagree with D. Im sorry to disappoint you ;)

  29. avatar Oigal says:
    December 17th, 2009 at 1:41 pm

    Indeed..

  30. avatar Achmad Sudarsono says:
    December 17th, 2009 at 2:13 pm

    Oigal,

    What do you think of believing in God ? Do you believe in God ? What do you think of religion ? From your earlier posts it seems as if:

    - You are an aetheist
    - You are critical of religion.

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