Olympics Medals Count

Aug 25th, 2008, in Asides, by

The Olympics have apparently been going on, and just finished. Indonesia finished 43rd in the medal standings.

  • Badminton, 1 gold (men's doubles - Markis Kido, Hendra Setiawan)
  • Badminton, 1 silver (mixed doubles - Nova Widianto, Liliyana)
  • Badminton, 1 bronze, (women's - Maria Kristin Yulianti.)
  • Weightlifting, 2 bronze (Eko Yuli Irawan & Triyatno).

Other Asean -

  • Thailand, 32nd, 2 gold, 2 silver
  • Malaysia, 74th, 1 bronze silver.
  • Singapore, 76th, 1 silver.
  • Vietnam, 79th, 1 silver.
  • Philippines, nowhere/nothing.

So not a bad result in comparison, given the situation of sport in these countries.


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  1. avatar Purba Negoro says:
    August 25th, 2008 at 7:44 pm

    Poor Philippines- very sad.
    We beat Singapore and Malaysia. Syukurin.
    That is enough for us.

    Bravo Olympians all!

    Will the London Olympics be so full of hype, boast, Communist Party press-releases and crappy hagiography about how London invented everything under the sun too?

  2. avatar sputjam says:
    August 25th, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    singapore cheated by giving a chinese PRC, trained in table tennis in china and rejected to play for china, a citizenship.
    malaysia won one silver, not one bronze.

  3. avatar Purba Negoro says:
    August 26th, 2008 at 12:45 am

    Singapore tsk, tsk, tsk cheating again- it never learns does it?
    I was there last week- those hip Singaporeans were having hissy fits about that one.. very amusing… meanwhile Lee Kwan Yew’s super-dumb son announces something else stupid…

  4. avatar David says:
    August 26th, 2008 at 12:54 am

    Thailand has won all of its medals in every Olympics from just three sports apparently – boxing, weightlifting and taekwondo. I suppose those are the kinds of sports that countries like Thailand – that don’t throw loads of money at hi-tech facilities – can still show something in. You’d think Indonesia might have won something in boxing.

  5. avatar Achmad Sudarsono says:
    August 26th, 2008 at 8:56 am

    Still, folks, the humiliating slide of Australia, dethronement of the U.S. as the top medal-winning country, & rise of China heralds the ascension of Asian supremacy.

  6. avatar Oigal says:
    August 26th, 2008 at 12:53 pm

    Australia,

    6th in Gold Medal Tally, 5th in Total Medal Count.

    Of course, it would have been nice to able to watch a semi decent coverage but hey what else could be expected

  7. avatar Achmad Sudarsono says:
    August 26th, 2008 at 1:07 pm

    Australia wouldn’t even have made the “podium” in terms of olympic medal count. Beaten even by Britain, despite all the bad weather & armies of warm-ale drinkers !

  8. avatar Andy says:
    August 26th, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    But achmad Australia has only a fraction of the UK population. The medal per populaton rate is one of the best in the world. Cmon mate…..stop with the aussie bashing. It is getting tiresome and petty. If you hate Australia so so much why don’t you donate a little of your monthly salary to the Australian government as we give you guys millions in foreign aid. It would be your silent protest to us by saying you don’t want to take from someone you disrespect. Fair?

  9. avatar Purba Negoro says:
    August 26th, 2008 at 1:45 pm

    There was a very good Timorese boxer- Victor Ramos.
    I know of an Australian, married to an Indonesian, an ex-boxer who runs a fantastic stable for excellent Indonesian boxers. His name just escaped me. Damn.

    They regularly win fights on Trans TV-. Many Indonesian boxers take falls for illegal gambling- his are excellent fighting rooster- win on points not fakery.
    Australian coach not afraid of gambling ‘mafioso’- now too old, fat and middle-age to be scary!
    His boxer have excellent technique- the head always ducking and weaving- “purba” jabs- lightening quick! Excellent coach.
    I am surprised not more ex-miltary boxers- all are very good.

    I know quite well heavyweight Polly Pasireron- now bodyguard of West Jakarta Mayor- anyone remember Polly?

    Boy Bolang- one of very best fighter- from Surabaya. John Bima- also very good.
    Not surprising, many Jesuit school student excellent boxer.

    The potential exists- Indonesia should concentrate on the low capital sports that have a strong traditional cultural link:
    especially the martial derived: judo, boxing, tae kwon do, archery, javelin, sailing (as in not yacht), shooting- especially Pak Bambang Suharto- very good shooter.

    IMHO We need to move away from reliance on Badminton- as good as those athletes are.

    I am very suspicious of Chinese medal count- Greece
    also won more medals than normal.
    I suggest steroid abuse is rife- that “female” weight-lifter- she has something very masculine almost popping out of leotard.
    Ken Egan should have won the boxing match I disagreed with the controversial vote (11-7)
    The male weightlifter too- very obvious steroid abuse- compare him to winning Korean and World’s Strongest Man Russians and Eastern Europeans (very bulky- with protruding “power belly” Korean= much less Mr Universe-type body) Asian man cannot normally attain such negro/caucasian muscle mass without help- not possible.

  10. avatar Achmad Sudarsono says:
    August 26th, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    PN,

    I think it is Craig Christian.

    Andy,

    OK. I will focus on uplifting themes for a while. As for the salary, well, as a poet & ukuele player, it comes from the people of Indonesia.

  11. avatar perseus says:
    August 26th, 2008 at 5:19 pm

    Achmad said:

    Australia wouldn’t even have made the “podium” in terms of olympic medal count. Beaten even by Britain, despite all the bad weather & armies of warm-ale drinkers !

    I know, I know, we 20 million Aussies are all contemplating suicide Down Under such is the National depression at being pushed from 4th to 6th by the 60 million Poms and the 80 million Krauts.

    It is particularly galling being knocked off by the Poms. The Krauts merely returned to traditional form having been slack for a few Games.

    Things could have been worse. We could have been knocked off by New Zealand… That would be truly unbearable…

    However, 6th with 20 million is not too shabby a result. Compares fairly well with 43rd with 230 million one would think…

  12. avatar perseus says:
    August 26th, 2008 at 5:26 pm

    Andy said:

    But achmad Australia has only a fraction of the UK population. The medal per populaton rate is one of the best in the world. Cmon mate…..stop with the aussie bashing. It is getting tiresome and petty.

    Where would Indonesia Matters be without gratuitous Aussie bashing???

    It is not as if we can’t take it and return it with interest :-)

    Now if Achmad was beating up on big girls blouse’s like the French and Italians – this would be objectionable…

  13. avatar Achmad Sudarsono says:
    August 26th, 2008 at 5:39 pm

    Well, Perseus, I was going to let it rest, but seeing as you picked it…

    Ultimately, with sports, it’s about resources. Why hasn’t India done better for example ? Because most of its potential talent pool are struggling to get by, feed themselves (literally), and facing the challenges of poverty. Just like Indonesia ?

    Why is Australia rich ?

    Why is Indonesia poor ?

    Well, my friend, I don’t think someone who’s willing to accept a trendy public service mantra of “evidence-driven,” is really up to the challenge of discussing the wealth of nations.

    (“Evidence-driven,” give me a break. Economic rationalism, hello ?? Not ideological – don’t make me laugh).

    So why does Australia do better than, say, France, Canada, and Italy ?

    Nothing better to do ? Already wiped out most of the aboriginals ? I dunno. I’m just a poet, ukuele player, and pencak silat teacher. Last time we gave an Australian a pencak silat medal was 1982.

  14. avatar Purba Negoro says:
    August 26th, 2008 at 11:30 pm

    Pak Sud:

    I do not think a post Timor Pencak match would be a good move.

    Regrading soprt- I just found out Indonesia has a rugby team and a cricket team.
    All we need now is the affected Victorian English of the Indians and we may be able to play with the Anglo-world.

  15. avatar perseus says:
    August 27th, 2008 at 7:31 pm

    Achmad wrote:

    So why does Australia do better than, say, France, Canada, and Italy ?

    Maaaaate, I already told you that the French and the Italians were Big Girl’s Blouses. Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys. No ticker. No medals. Well not as many as us :-)

    As for the Canadians, they are a Winter nation. They do fine at the ice hockey, ice skating and ice everything. Pretty crap at anything involving sun (i.e. most of the Summer Olympics) as they only get it for 30 days a year up there. In the snow, they rock. As you would expect as Canada is buried in the stuff half of the year.

    Canadian chicks are very good at keeping their boyfriends warm at night. Not that its relevant :-)

    Australia does spend a lot of money on sport. There is big government spending on institutions such as the Australian Institute of Sport and has been for years. The results show. Britain is copying our sporting policies (and nicking our coaches). Germany has had a strong tradition for years. They are simply returning to their historic levels of competitiveness.

    What is Australia rich and Indonesia poor? Well, I put it down to underpopulation and overpopulation. Indonesia is overpopulated and Australian is underpopulated. End result more resources per capita in Oz than Indo therefore more $$$ per capita. That is very simplistic but I don’t fancy embarking on an evidence-driven, non-ideological, economic rational dissertation on the Wealth of Nations in a thread on the Olympic Medal count!

  16. avatar Achmad Sudarsono says:
    August 27th, 2008 at 7:46 pm

    Ok Perseus, in detail another time perhaps.

    But more than that. Plenty of poor islands in the South Pacific that are underpopulated. Also, it’s only really Java that’s overpopulated – Kalimantan, Sulawesi, & Sumatra are relatively ok.

    Australia had access to British capital, human resources, & knowledge from 1788 onwards. Doesn’t help to have minerals if you don’t know how to get ‘em out, as the Papuans are finding.

    But that’s a different thread.

  17. avatar Andy says:
    August 28th, 2008 at 1:17 pm

    Achmad-Why is Australia rich ?

    Why is Indonesia poor ?

    We discussed this in many other threads but generally it gets down to the sheer laziness of the Indonesians. Soccer for example. They love it in Indo but can’t find 11 guys out of millions to represent their country to any great heights. Australia on the other hand can and yet most of the population thinks it’s a great bore. I can’t help but think if they held a training session for an Indonesian sports team that they would all roll up 30 minutes late and then joke over a cigarette for the next 20 minutes. And after 10 minutes of running they would complain ‘too hot mister’

  18. avatar Achmad Sudarsono says:
    August 28th, 2008 at 1:22 pm

    Andy,

    Don’t see “population is lazy,” in too many theories of economic development, my friend. Might make a nice presentation at the World Bank’s annual conference, or even the UN general assembly. “The third world is lazy,” theory by Andy.

  19. avatar David says:
    August 29th, 2008 at 1:24 pm

    But Achmad you do see “population is stupid” arguments, – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_IQ, although maybe not at World Bank conferences and the UN, you’ve got to say the right things at those sort of places…

  20. avatar Andy says:
    August 29th, 2008 at 1:41 pm

    Very good Patung, that rests my case as well. This is proven fact but the laziness factor can be seen with our own two eyes. An interesting figure was Singapore being so high on the list. Pity some of their brains haven’t spread further south but I guess intelligence isn’t a virus is it.

  21. avatar David says:
    August 29th, 2008 at 1:48 pm

    Well Andy don’t know that it’s the be-all and end all of the matter, no doubt there are entire tomes devoted to refuting it, but something to take into account.

    Oh and actually this might be the better link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_Global_Inequality#National_IQ_and_QHC_values

  22. avatar Purba Negoro says:
    September 1st, 2008 at 11:45 am

    Patung,
    treading a very thin line with the old racialist IQ-income theory.
    Tired of phrenology are we?
    The Bell Curve was also very controversial and rather soundly torn to shreds by various anthropologists.

    Pity the simpler reality of soft UK-Us loans, debt, small pop;ulation and small land mass.
    Singapore is smaller than Jakarta, with less than 1/6 the population.
    22-30% of Singapore’s GDP is Financial services from neighbouring nations.
    The largest employer in Singapore is Keppel- building ships and rigs etc for whom?

    If Indonesia was the size of Jakarta- well it would be a different story altogether, wouldn’t it?

    It also does not explain the endemic poverty of China- with hundreds of millions livinig on less than 1 dollar per day.
    Nor North Korean poverty,

    I also spy, unsurprisingly, Ireland is the same IQ colour as Indonesia.
    Thus the argument is entirely self-defeating by its’ own evidence.
    Also- every G8 nation allegedly has a lower IQ than Singapore and Hong Kong.
    Yet- dominate the world’s economy?

    A very transparent and stupid argument Patung- I expected better.

    IQ tests are very problematic and very good at testing rote literacy and numeracy.
    Get a Singaporean or Hong Kong Chinese to actually think outside their linear thought processes and test them on a lateral-thought IQ test.
    They’ll do miserably.

  23. avatar Patrick says:
    September 1st, 2008 at 12:17 pm

    I saw the country I was born in Ireland had 3 medals! Not bad for a country of only 4 million people.

    @Pubra Negoro – Are you serious that Ireland and Indonesia have the same IQ colour? Where did you see that? To think that we were once known as the “Isle of Saints and Scholars” What the hell happened to us? ha ha ha! Just kidding! : > )

  24. avatar Purba Negoro says:
    September 1st, 2008 at 12:20 pm

    The megalomaniac Cromwell has a lot to answer for maybe?

    Also- France has a lower IQ, but a higher per capita income than the top ten ranked IQ nations.

    It’s a bullsh*t argument rebutted by its’ own data.

    Only a moron would peddle it as gospel.

  25. avatar Achmad Sudarsono says:
    September 1st, 2008 at 12:37 pm

    So, um, Patrick, I know it’s a bit off the topic, p’haps better on another thread, but I gotta say, don’t you think there’s a bit of gay, or rather, child abuse action going on in the Irish Catholic Church ? I can see where the dislike of gays comes from now. I’d say the Church has a bit to clean up under its own frocks rather than targeting law-abiding shirt-lifters.

  26. avatar Patrick says:
    September 1st, 2008 at 12:45 pm

    Forgot to mention that my country (Ireland) won its three medals in the manly sport of boxing and Indonesia won the majority of its medals in (gasp) badminton! Come on guys is badminton really a serious sport? OK Indonesia did have 2 weightlifting medals. If we make an adjustment to the score, for Olympic medals in real sports, it would be Ireland 3 and Indonesia 2. Where is the “Asian Supremacy” that Achmad bragged about here on this thread? Good thing Ireland is a small country! : > )

  27. avatar Achmad Sudarsono says:
    September 1st, 2008 at 1:38 pm

    We have more important things to do than hit each other !

  28. avatar Purba Negoro says:
    September 1st, 2008 at 2:02 pm

    Boxing prowess:
    Ireland has a surplus supply stout, pikeys and tinkers?

    But aren’t most from Ulster?
    I remember those old news reels of Ulster champion Rinty Monaghan very well.

    But- yes I agree badminton is “sh*te” and we should “feck it off” in favour of real sports like boxing, karate, judo etc.

    I have no idea why boxing has experienced a down turn here.

    But- notice how the native Indonesians excel in weightlifting- and Chinese men in badminton?

    Hmmm…?

  29. avatar David says:
    September 1st, 2008 at 3:12 pm

    Purba…simply pointing out that the argument does exist, that intelligence is likely to have an impact on national economic factors, stands to reason of course, although to be fair to the authors of those two books they do point out I think that it is just one factor, perhaps not even the most important, but a factor nevertheless.

  30. avatar Jason (Singaporean) says:
    September 1st, 2008 at 9:53 pm

    So Singapore is 4th in ASEAN? Not that bad compared to the last 48 years. Hope to see more medals flowing in as more attention and money is being pumped into sports.

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