Euro Cup 2008

Jun 18th, 2008, in IM Posts, Opinion, by

Lairedion on the Euro 2008 football championship, and the Indonesian connection.

Football Mania!

Lately Indonesia Matters seems to be flooded with all kinds of intellectuals and literature experts boasting to one another with pompous language and the amount of books they have read. Being somewhat bored with the creeping elitism here let me take you with me to the "triviality" of football, arguably the most important side issue in a large part of our planet (except the US, Canada, Ostrali, NZ and the Subcontinent, stand to be corrected of course) and highlight one of the most well-covered sports events in the world, Euro 2008.

Any of you people here supporting a particular nation and why? And what do you think of the action so far? Which player is considered the most sexy by the ladies and gays among us? Any questions and answers will do. My favourites Holland are doing surprisingly well and finally are playing the kind of football it has been renown for since the 70's. It's doing good for the global image of Holland where Geert Wilders seems to be forgotten, at least temporarily.

A topic totally unrelated to Indonesia at first sight but I know Indonesians are football crazy so I'm interested in your views on Euro 2008.

Giovanni van Bronckhorst
Giovanni van Bronckhorst

To start with: Players with Indo blood:
- Giovanni van Bronckhorst
- John Heitinga
- Robin van Persie


37 Comments on “Euro Cup 2008”

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  1. avatar Mach Jabber says:
    June 18th, 2008 at 4:48 am

    [...] Holland are doing surprisingly well and finally are playing the kind of football it has been renown for since the 70’s. It’s doing good for the global image of Holland where Geert Wilders seems to be forgotten, at least temporarily.

    Quoted for truth. :)

    I suspect the hatred was just for the heck of it.

  2. avatar kinch says:
    June 18th, 2008 at 7:33 am

    Some of you may not know this, but it’s a fact that Indonesia and Malaysia are major players in the underground football gambling world. I don’t mean just the number of ordinary suckers having a bet. Indonesian and Malaysian Chinese illegal bookmakers are some of the biggest fish in the business.

  3. avatar Hedi says:
    June 18th, 2008 at 10:55 am

    That’s good to know there are some players who have Indo blood. But, it’s not significant for Indo football itself. Van Persie, Van Bronchorst and Heitinga could play at the best due to their home base. They’ve been developing their careers and skills respectively in neat competition. I wish Indo have nice competition too and no wonder a new stars will come from and play for our beloved country. :D

  4. avatar kinch says:
    June 18th, 2008 at 11:11 am

    Watch out… here’s a simple soul who thinks that a discussion about football is a discussion about football. No telling where this might lead.

    Post-modernist twits (sp?) to the rescue please!

  5. avatar Shloka says:
    June 18th, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    I’m supporting Spain, my brother’s football crazy and has posters of all the players in his room. He’ll be giving his school leaving exams this year, and my mum gets mad when he stays up all night to watch football. So there are some football fans in the Indian sub continent after all! I like a Spanish player called David Villa, although none of my friends think he’s cute, and the hottest player according to my schoolfriends is Ronaldo.

  6. avatar Lairedion says:
    June 18th, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    Shloka,

    I know there are but do you guys fancy cricket and field hockey more?

    And Spain, I can live with that. Always an attacking mind and play football for the beauty of the game but like the Dutch always sees their quest for glory being stranded because of that same beuaty.

    Those greasy Italians are far more effective. One must not be surprised when they lift the trophy after struggling through group C.

    Some players with Subcontinental inheritance, unfortunately already retired.

    - Aron Winter, former Dutch international player (Ajax, Lazio Roma, Inter) of Surinamese-Hindustani descent.
    - Vikash Dhorasoo, former French international player (Olympique Lyon, AC Milan, Paris St. Germain). French born of Indian-Mauritian origin. Ancestors migrated to Mauritius from Andhra Pradesh.

  7. avatar indahs says:
    June 18th, 2008 at 6:03 pm

    My brother in Jakarta and I are supporting the Orange Team. Most of my Asian friends are supporting Holland except the ones who have Italian bf.. ;)

    I am glad that Dutch team won from Romania. Marco van Basten is too honest to play politics in sport! Well, hope the team manage to keep their best (their defence was still bit weak though).

    BTW, I have no ideas that Robin van Persie and Giovanni have Indonesians’ blood. Cool. But for sure, they are all Rotterdammers!! ;)

  8. avatar dewaratugedeanom says:
    June 18th, 2008 at 11:17 pm

    Lairedion

    Lately Indonesia Matters seems to be flooded with all kinds of intellectuals and literature experts boasting to one another with pompous language and the amount of books they have read.

    Exactly for the same reason I stay away from Ubud Bali during its annual Writers and Readers Festival. Definitely not a Kuta Cowboy’s cup of tea. ;-)

  9. avatar timdog says:
    June 18th, 2008 at 11:24 pm

    See, I like Ubud and Kuta, books and football, Hindus and Muslims… ;-)

  10. avatar dewaratugedeanom says:
    June 18th, 2008 at 11:35 pm

    Who in his right mind is able to like Kuta? It has been dubbed ‘the world’s most ugly place’. They missed an opportunity after Bom Bali 1 because initially after the event there were plans to tear the entire place down and rebuild everything. A missed opportunity.

    But I admit, it’s my hunting ground.

  11. avatar Teng says:
    June 18th, 2008 at 11:44 pm

    Cool. But for sure, they are all Rotterdammers!!

    So true… so true! Rotterdam pride!

    Anyway, I think Oranje is playing extremely well…. I really never expected them to play like this. I didn’t even expect them to survive the Group of Death… let alone come out on top so every extra game is bonus

  12. avatar dewaratugedeanom says:
    June 18th, 2008 at 11:59 pm

    My brother in Jakarta and I are supporting the Orange Team. Most of my Asian friends are supporting Holland except the ones who have Italian bf..

    Funny that so many Indonesians support the Dutch team. Astagfirullah, their former colonizers!

    Maybe nostalgia?

  13. avatar Lairedion says:
    June 19th, 2008 at 1:02 am

    Ok, tonight Russia vs. Sweden,

    Would like to see the Swedes through if it was only for their female fans:

    http://euro2008girls.com/pics/swedish_football_girls.jpg

  14. avatar Shloka says:
    June 19th, 2008 at 1:15 am

    Lairedion,

    Yes, Indians are more fond of cricket and hockey but thats’ only because India doesn’t play football well! Many of my friends only know a single footballer, David Bekham, and that too as Posh Spice’s husband.

    A Dutch exchange student has come to my brother’s class, and as we have a home theatre, he’ll be staying at our house for the duration of the matches. I’m sooo excited!

  15. avatar jaka says:
    June 19th, 2008 at 4:00 pm

    dewaratugedeanom:

    Funny that so many Indonesians support the Dutch team. Astagfirullah, their former colonizers!
    Maybe nostalgia?

    Nööö, I am a german fan, so too many in my sphere. But watching the dutch play is sooo entertaining. I am thinking to convert now. F*ck colonialism, when a noni is pretty and interested in my “exotic” body, who cares?

  16. avatar Lairedion says:
    June 19th, 2008 at 7:46 pm

    Just go check forum.bolanews.com. Plenty of Indo fans supporting the Dutch. A separate thread is dedicated to Holland:

    Kiprah Belanda Di Euro 2008

    To quote one comment:

    AMIIIIN…
    moga hollandonesia gk gagal lagi deh

    However there is some sad news from the Dutch squad. Khalid Boulahrouz’ wife was rushed to hospital yesterday due to complications with her pregnancy and now it appears his daughter is stillborn. :-(

  17. avatar Shloka says:
    June 19th, 2008 at 9:27 pm

    I like Germany second best but haven’t really given a thought to Holland. I loved Michael Ballack during Euro 2004.

  18. avatar Lairedion says:
    June 19th, 2008 at 9:39 pm

    Shloka,

    Did you love him for his football skills? In 2004 Germany went home after the group stages. Ballack is a great player, unfortunately for him his teammates are mediocre.

    My views are colored because I’m Dutch now but the whole world agrees they have played the best football so far.

  19. avatar Shloka says:
    June 19th, 2008 at 11:27 pm

    Lairedion,

    Yes, only for his football skills. I think he doesn’t look too good. Some of my friends like Wayne Rooney( former Brit colonies’ people too support them, like some Indos support the Dutch) but I think Rooney looks like Shrek.

    I was terribly disappointed after Germany couldn’t make it very far in 2004. I still think that the Spanish and not the Dutch, play the best football.

  20. avatar Lairedion says:
    June 20th, 2008 at 12:01 am

    Shloka,

    For this time only I disagree with you. :-)

  21. avatar Mach Jabber says:
    June 20th, 2008 at 11:24 am

    Now that Portugal had been shot dead, I can watch the show peacefully. :)

    At least whoever that would lift that trophy now won’t be some kind of asshole. :)

    *wait, there’s the Matrix…*

  22. avatar Lairedion says:
    June 21st, 2008 at 6:04 pm

    Dutchies taking on the Russians tonight with added spice from the duel between the two “meneer” Van Basten and Hiddink. 150,000 Dutch have gathered in Basle to throw a big party, sick!

    Turkey could be the dark horse of Euro 2008…

  23. avatar Hendra I Somantri says:
    June 21st, 2008 at 6:53 pm

    Holland is going concure the europe. Van Basten is not only brilliant as striker but also makes or creates Holland more agressif attacker team. He is supported especially players likes Huntelar, he becomes productive. But, I aggre if Turkey being dark horse until meets Germany.
    I think Germany still would be overcome Holland in the final.

  24. avatar Shloka says:
    June 21st, 2008 at 10:32 pm

    Turkey’s indeed doing very well, but I doubt they’d win. JMO.

  25. avatar Pakmantri says:
    June 22nd, 2008 at 4:33 am

    Woaah! I thought “total football” was the Dutchies trade mark, well I guess not!! The Ruskies played it much better!! :))

  26. avatar Lairedion says:
    June 22nd, 2008 at 5:04 am

    Pakmantri,

    Agree. Deserved win for Russia. They played better and didn’t let Holland to get in their own game. I do hope Russia will go all the way because they played the best football but I fear the final will be Germany-Italy and for me that would be anti-climax because scary and cowardous football would prevail again over the beauty of Portugal, Holland and Russia.

    However I still believe Holland can play total football but they met the better opponent today and I’m glad for the sake of football Russia played in a similar style. Still I am proud for the way Holland played in the group stages. Which such style football can be so beautiful. They’re still young and can improve on mental toughness, maturity and physical strength.

  27. avatar hendra i somantri says:
    June 22nd, 2008 at 11:58 am

    Gus Hiddink is better. I think Van Basten is too young for leading Holland team, it seems he would be better for club first before handling national team. Holland, Portugal, Italy played with they big prestige mentally, the others Turkey, Rusian was not. Italy having good goalkeeper Buffon for leads the match on the pinalty game with Spain. But I still believe if Italy would be met Germany in upcoming final match. Germany was pretend in group stage, preparing energy for next stage.

  28. avatar Shloka says:
    June 25th, 2008 at 12:01 am

    My list of hottest players on the Euro 08 field:
    1 David Villa
    2 Alessandro Del Piero
    3 Joachim Low
    4 Christiano Ronaldo
    5 Lucas Podolski(very toothy grin but still cute)
    6 Rudd van Nistelrooy
    7 Zlatan Ibrahimovic
    8 Ivan Klasnic
    9 Luca Toni
    10 Bastian Schweinsteiger

    Feel free to disagree!

  29. avatar Lairedion says:
    June 25th, 2008 at 12:13 am

    @ Shloka

    Aaah, David Villa, that humble little man from Asturias. Loads of women do have a soft spot for him.

    Joachim Low, isn’t he a manager and come on, the man is 48 years of age, he could be your father! :-)

  30. avatar Shloka says:
    June 25th, 2008 at 5:57 pm

    @ Joachim Low, I’ve liked him since I first saw him on T.V. when I was 10.

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