Pedophiles

Jan 16th, 2008, in Opinion, by

Iqhbal Sukokiman takes on the tough issue of Australian pedophiles in Indonesia.

Australian Pedophiles

Australian paedophiles keep washing up on our shores and it is time to do something.

Their modus operandi is well known: they are mostly middle-aged men, 40 or older, and pose in respectable jobs, often English teachers, in a bid to win the trust of their prey, Indonesian children.

Just last week, according to the Agence France Press, an Australian man, Philip/Philippe Robert Grandfield, 61, was arrested on suspicion of pedophilia.

This warpo, (Sicko #1), was a retired accountant and had been luring village boys into his house to play “pool”. His lawyer’s defense was amusing, the man couldn’t be a pedophile (he didn’t deny the age), because the boys didn’t refuse the money. Sicko # 1 had lived in Bali for 10 years.

In 2006, according to the Sydney Morning Herald, Indonesian police received reports that at least a dozen suspected paedophiles were on the loose in Indonesia. The SMH reported it had uncovered,

widespread sex abuse in Indonesia, with Australians and other foreign pedophiles.

The SMH continued, that two Australians, language teacher Peter Smith and hotel manager Don Storen, were in custody facing pedophile charges.

I find it amazing that the Australian media and even Australian bloggers in Indonesia criticize this country for corruption and human rights abuses whilst often turning a blind eye to what their own citizens do.

Why are so many sickos coming here from Down Under? Indonesia has bent over backwards to be helpful (some have just bent over), including letting in Australian police to investigate the Muslim group Jemaah Islamiah in 2004.

To be honest, I don’t know why Australia produces so many pedophiles. It could be that the country, due to its convict past, has a greater tolerance for criminals. Perhaps Australia has a different definition as to what is acceptable due to the ratio of men to women from 1788 to 1840, or the first fifty or years of its colonial history.

Sicko Smith, for example, according to the SMH, admitted he had committed offences, saying

obviously, or I wouldn’t be behind bars

Once again, he denied forcing any of the boys into sex but confessed to molesting 50 of them and filming pornographic videos of them.

I can only hope Australians will read this article and realize that Indonesia has different values. I also read that Australians have widely embraced atheism and agnosticism, which is fine: Islam teaches,

your belief is yours, and mine is mine

But visitors, especially the Sickos mentioned above, have to understand Indonesia still prizes family values, based not only on religion, but also just plain human decency.

Also, Indonesians will have to take greater care, and not be so trusting. Some of those sickos might be reading this site, for example.

Finally, perhaps the Australian government could do a better job providing moral education to its citizens. Australians seem to do well at sports, but in some areas, as discussed their standards of behaviour could do with some work. What’s ok at home is not always ok overseas.

Life’s not all about winning Olympic medals, Australia.


90 Comments on “Pedophiles”

  1. avatar janma says:

    Janma,

    How do you know this ? Anything to back it up ?

    janma replies (wearily)…. just read the papers Achmad…. same place you got your facts. True the papers have more of a field day if it’s a bule offence, but there are no lack of stories of Indonesians sexually abusing children. Hell in the town I lived in Java I remember two girls and three boys in seperate instances being abused by Indonesian men, and one even with the co operation of his wife!

  2. avatar Achmad Sudarsono says:

    Janma,

    Alot of those reports are in papers like Lampu Merah, not exactly paragons of high-quality journalism.

    btw — don’t forget I didn’t write this piece, ok ? Just helped with the editing…

  3. avatar Aluang Anak Bayang says:

    Janma,

    We have lived in Bule’s countries. You yourself are from Australia. One can spot them easily.

    White pedophiles from England usually pose as New Islam Converts, or Humanitarian Workers.

    White pedophiles from Australia usually pose as English Teachers, but most openly come as sex tourists with White imperialism mentality.

    Let’s us all unite to expose them.

  4. avatar perseus says:

    Achmad said:

    Blame the victim, Perseus

    The Police and the Parents are the facilitators not the victims. The children sold into prostitution are the victims.

    Achmad said:

    So Australian Aborigines (I know you people have many names for them), are the worst offenders. And it sounds like you’re saying they are not part of the “general community.” Do you mean the general “white” community ?

    Regretably, there are some Aboriginal communities that have very high levels of social dysfunction. In some of these communities levels of child abuse and neglect are very high. Hence the much discussed recent “intervention” by the Federal govt. These communities are remote and isolated and in some cases non-tribal people are not allowed access without a permit. The sociological circumstances are quite different from the Australian mainstream which these days you would not describe as “white” particularly in parts of Australia with large concentrations of migrants (e.g. Sydney, Melbourne).

    If you wish to win arguments, Achmad, you need a better theory than the white man is always wrong…

  5. avatar Achmad Sudarsono says:

    Ok Perseus,

    Fair enough.

    So why do you think levels of child abuse are higher in such communities ?

    I’d also ask where your information comes from. The mainstream media ? What is the ethnic make-up of that media ? Is it predominantly anglo-celt-anglo-saxon ? Is there a problem with a dominant ethnic group of one community reporting on another without knowledge of its culture and history ?

    Keen to hear what you have to say.

  6. avatar Oigal says:

    This really is tacky piece of crap about a serious problem that has nothing to with race but these creeps are in all cultures but the sheer lack of policing, courts, social welfare in many countries including Indonesia makes it attractive to these people.

    In the same vile league is a creep like Assmad using such a issue to get his jollies by provoking responses with his outragous comments. A new low for the slime.

    Frankly more than a bit surprise at Patung to let this one through. One thing use political or religious beliefs to get your jollies but this is really a sick piece of work and shows an utter lack of compassion for those that really have to suffer.

  7. avatar Achmad Sudarsono says:

    Um, Oigal, if you read back through the comments, I didn’t write this one, just helped out on the English. In earlier posts, I’ve advised to stay away from this issue on the polemics.

    In the same vile league is a creep like Assmad using such a issue to get his jollies by provoking responses with his outragous comments. A new low for the slime.

    I would say ease up on the self-righteousness, though, Pal. If you want to address a problem, you have to understand it first. Unfortunately, that might mean seeing the world the way “they” do. Understand the enemy, if you like. Takes the self-discipline of setting aside that comforting moral outrage.

    That’s were I differ from Iqhbal. I don’t think categories like “sicko” help to understand, though they might help to garner political support against the problem. Between you and me, I think your internet comments in general are long on judgements and short on solutions, other than, “there are bastards out there and we have to get them.”

  8. avatar perseus says:

    Achmad said:

    So why do you think levels of child abuse are higher in such communities ?

    I’d also ask where your information comes from. The mainstream media ? What is the ethnic make-up of that media ? Is it predominantly anglo-celt-anglo-saxon ? Is there a problem with a dominant ethnic group of one community reporting on another without knowledge of its culture and history ?

    Keen to hear what you have to say.

    Most of what I know about these matters I read in the mainstream Australian press (typically the Australian and the Sydney Morning Herald).

    I have also worked in a Federal politician’s office (as a media adviser) and read the Secretaries Group report which is produced by the Australian Public Service. My Member’s electorate covered Aboriginal areas.

    These are very distinct places in Australia subject to fundamentally different laws which you may not be aware of. I have met Noel Pearson who is perhaps the leading Australian Aboriginal thinker at the present time. (He writes for the Australian as a columnist.) I have also met Mal Brough who was the Minister for Families, Community Services and Indigenous Affairs in the Howard government. Both men are very able speakers and “good guys” as far as I am concerned.

    Basically, I share Noel Pearson’s views that what Aboriginals need is “real jobs in the real economy” and the “sit down money” has to be abolished/rethought. By “sit down money” Mr Pearson means the dole or unemployment benefit where you get paid for doing nothing or some make work fake job. The characteristics of these areas are as follows:

    1) They are very isolated. Put bluntly Aboriginal communities only survived in the areas colonial pastoralists did not want. Marginal and remote land.

    2) They are very poor. There are no jobs and no real economy.

    3) There is nothing to do. Aboriginals do not have Caucasian tolerance for alcohol and are statistically more likely to get violent when drunk.

    4) Aboriginal land is not subject to normal title. The areas I am familiar have a distinct system called Deed of Grant in Trust. In layman’s terms the “community” owns all the land. This makes investment a political thing. You can’t just buy a block and build a shop, you have to negotiate with the local traditional owners. Contemporary opinion is of the view that property title should be normalized in indigenous Australia. However there is cultural objection to this. In practical terms, Aboriginal communities are run rather like Soviets in the failed USSR with similar economic results.

    5) In many Aboriginal areas you need a permit to enter (e.g. Arnhem Land). Others are sheltered from mainstream Australia by sheer distance and bad to non-existent roads.

    Thus to sum up, you have people getting sit down money once a fortnight with little entertainment except grog and petrol to sniff with no job and no prospect of a job kept isolated from the mainstream by a permit system (that keeps out journalists too). Social breakdown has occurred at alarming levels in some communities. (Each community is different and some are very bad and others are ok.) Esteem and self-respect has collapsed in the worst cases. You have kids whose father never had a job nor his grandfather and the old subsistence traditions have died out. End result some harrowing stories of child abuse and neglect from absent/drunk/violent/abusive parents/cousins/aunts/uncles. While there are examples of child abuse (pedophilia) in mainstream Australia, these cases tend to be isolated and due to depraved parents. The vast majority of pedophilia and child abuse is perpetrated by family members (father, stepfather, uncle, cousin) not strangers.

    However, for some bizarre reason, the Australian media go nuts when clergy and teachers (statistically a small number of cases) get involved. No doubt, the Indonesian media go nuts when a Bule is found abusing a child – novelty value and less threatening to readers. Stories about mums and dads sexually abusing their little ones turn the stomach too much for the popular press.

    Most Australian reporters would be white but Noel Pearson is black and there are numerous reporters who are in non-white ethnic groups (Asian, African, Middle Eastern).

    Recently some communities have banned alcohol. Other initiatives include such things as “no school, no pool” deals whereby kids who miss school get banned from the swimming pool and arrangements where parents spending is controlled. (You must spend your dole on food not grog.) This is done with voucher type arrangements. The intervention also increased the numbers of police and social workers in the worst communities.

  9. avatar Sylvester says:

    The largest pedophiles center, sadly, could be Dolly in Surabaya, Indonesia where thousands of underage girls are forced into prostitution. And the customers mostly are brown (sailors, army, police, government officials). It is really shameful.

  10. avatar David says:

    janma replies (wearily)…. just read the papers Achmad…. same place you got your facts. True the papers have more of a field day if it’s a bule offence, but there are no lack of stories of Indonesians sexually abusing children. Hell in the town I lived in Java I remember two girls and three boys in seperate instances being abused by Indonesian men, and one even with the co operation of his wife!

    A lot of those reports are in papers like Lampu Merah, not exactly paragons of high-quality journalism.

    Actually no Achmad, here are a couple of searches to get you going:

    cabuli anak di bawah umur

    cabuli bocah

    No “Lampu Merah” results, possibly because they don’t have a website, but plenty of antara, kompas, okezone, etc, etc..

  11. avatar Achmad Sudarsono says:

    Still, Perseus, you did say most of what you know is in the Australian and the Sydney Morning Herald.

    I’m willing to be serious money (not sit-down money), that there are almost no aboriginals on these publications and that most reporters are white. (I see for example, the SMH’s Lindsay Murchoch, who used to be in Jakarta is reporting on aboriginal issues).

    Are we getting a clear picture from these publications ? And the public service, reporting on public affairs ? Surely that’s a stand-up comedy routine.

    If non-tribal people are banned from these communities how can non-tribal people know what’s going on ?

  12. avatar Oigal says:

    I didn’t write this one

    It wasn’t me.. I was just watching….the true cowards defence

    I think your internet comments in general are long on judgements and short on solutions, This is your version of a finding solution? Laughable if you were not getting your jollies at the expense of others//

  13. avatar Oigal says:

    Still, Perseus, you did say most of what you know is in the Australian and the Sydney Morning Herald.

    For anyone who wants to get beyond Assmads infantile and pathetic antics and see some of the real issues facing aborginal communities, here is a good start http://www.nt.gov.au/dcm/inquirysaac/report_summary.html

  14. avatar Achmad Sudarsono says:

    All,

    Oigal once argued that sending Australian troops into aboriginal communities was a good thing…

    Just getting it out there.

  15. avatar Rob says:

    Achmad…

    If you are not the author why don’t you get Patung to change the author to Iqhbal? Or is Iqhbal another one of your myriad split personalities?

    It is sad that you judge your worth based on your ability to bait white folk, particularly Australians, into responding to pieces of crap like this.

    Pedophilia is a serious problem and one that Australia takes far more seriously than Indonesia. It is also not race or profession based. But, you know this. Yet, it does not fit your motivation so you then go on to make silly assertions that pedophilia and a supposed tolerance for it can be traced back to Australia’s convict past.

    Your writings continue to strike me as a disgruntled English teacher of Australian extraction that gets his cheap thrills in bashing other Australians on all manner of things whilst posing as an Indonesian.

    Perhaps one day you will find the testicular fortitude to come out of your little closet and reveal yourself for what you really are! (I am not holding my breath though on this one)…Sad, very sad!

    Enjoy the weekend.

  16. avatar Achmad Sudarsono says:

    Rob,

    I think Iqhbal did want to write it under his own byline. As mentioned in previous posts, I think this is a topic best left to others, but Iqqy wanted to run it.

    Best take it up with him.

  17. avatar perseus says:

    Achmad said:

    Still, Perseus, you did say most of what you know is in the Australian and the Sydney Morning Herald.

    I’m willing to be serious money (not sit-down money), that there are almost no aboriginals on these publications and that most reporters are white. (I see for example, the SMH’s Lindsay Murchoch, who used to be in Jakarta is reporting on aboriginal issues).

    Are we getting a clear picture from these publications ? And the public service, reporting on public affairs ? Surely that’s a stand-up comedy routine.

    I have no particular reason to doubt the competence of the reporters of either the SMH or the Australian. I hear much the same stories from Mr Pearson (black) and former Minister Brough (white). I don’t think the skin colour is relevant.

    You can read the Secretaries’ Group report at this url:

    http://www.fahcsia.gov.au/indigenous/annual_report/default

    You will find it a thorough and professional document. I have worked with numerous members of the Australian Public Service – Departmental Liaision Officers attached to Minister’s staffs. I have without exception found them professional and diligent, very smart and very knowledgeable. Admittedly, when you are a media advisor to a senior politician, you get your calls returned pretty quickly and you are dealing with the cream of the public service not the front desk. I don’t share your view that the reports of the Australian Public Service are a joke. Frankly, they make more sense that the polemical, sensationalized crap you read in the paper.

    Achmad said:

    If non-tribal people are banned from these communities how can non-tribal people know what’s going on

    Telephone. Email. Post. Bush Telegraph… and patients in hospitals. Typically sick Aboriginals get airlifted to Cairns or Darwin hospitals for treatment by the Royal Flying Doctor Service.

    They are isolated but phones and stuff exist in these places.

  18. avatar Achmad Sudarsono says:

    Rob,

    Thanks for that earlier post on the conditions in Australian aboriginal communities, by the way.

    I place more stock in bush, post, bush telegraph than the APS reports. If they match up, well that’s a different matter.

    On the Australian public service, yes, well, we might differ on that one. My main question is: are they interested in reporting, or kicking back upstairs what upstairs wants to hear. (I was going to use cruder language).

    “The Paper” — which paper ? BIG difference between the AFR & the Daily Telegraph.

    I still haven’t heard why you think conditions are worse, or there’s more child abuse…

  19. avatar perseus says:

    Most Australian policy these days is “evidence-driven” rather than derived from ideology. The public service is quietly influential in determining the detail of policy. However, at the end of the day, the politicians are in charge and accountable to the people at election time for the broad outline of policy. Public servants do often tell their political masters things they do not want to hear though. They are not lapdogs. And as we say in Australia, politicians are often “mugged by reality”.

    By “the paper” I mean the press/media in general. You are quite right, the AFR is the only paper in Australia worth reading – if you want serious news. All the rest stir it up more or less. The Telegraph is shocking. I don’t read it. The SMH and the Australian are not too bad. You get a reasonable mix of lefties and righties. The AFR is rather boring alas… They generally don’t indulge in polemics. Neither does the APS.

    To sum up why conditions are worse in Aboriginal Australia – poverty, isolation, social breakdown, alcohol, substance abuse. Consequence is high rates of violent crime, wife bashing, child abuse and neglect in some communities. The life expectancy for Aborigines is 17 years lower than average. This is a national disgrace.

    Rates of STDs, teenage pregnancies and the like are high. Incarcerations are above average. However, there are positive developments as well. It is not all bad news. But there is a huge amount of work to be done to eradicate indigenous disadvantage in Australia.

  20. avatar Lairedion says:

    Pedophilia with Anglo-Celtic bules is persistent, the infamous Gary Glitter is a perfect example.

    But Achmad, remember, especially these days with the spreading of wahhabi ideology in Indonesia, pedophilia was legalized by a certain infamous prophet when he married a girl named Aisha at age 6 and shagged her at age 9.

    Right now I’m enjoying my holiday in Andalucia, Spain and while Spain has transformed into a modern Western society on the same level with the traditional Western European nations the respect for elders and genuine love for children is still very much alive as it has ever been.

  21. avatar Rob says:

    Lairedion…

    Seriously…”persistent” and you cite one example! Nice job!

    So, if I cite one example of an Indonesian pedophile then I can call pedophilia persistent in Indonesia and that Indonesians tolerate the heinous crime?

    Or perhaps if I cite one example of a Dutch-Indonesian (or Indonesian-Dutch, whatever one prefers) person then I can claim pedophilia to be persistent among this group and that this group is also tolerant of the pederast ways of some?

    In a similar vein to Achmad you trivialize what is a serious problem throughout the world. Pedophilia is a crime that is not dependant on race or profession.

    The fact that Muhammad married a six-year-old and then consummated that marriage when she was nine combined with the fact that Garry Glitter has done jail time for his pederast crimes seems to be sufficient for you to smear all Muslims and all white folk.

    Then again it seems to be the theme of Indonesian Matters these days.

  22. avatar Andy says:

    Achmad ans Isquail, you boys are getting a little hot under the collar. Matthew is right. The rule of law is stronger in Australia than in Indonesia so pedophiles can’t get away with what they do in a less developed country. In Indonesia, however, it is still considered normal for a 13 year old in a kampung to marry an adult gentlemen. In Australia this would land him in jail. It is normal practice though in muslim countries. Also I just wish some Indonesians would be just as outraged when of their own commits a crime as they are when a foreigner (particularly bule) does. Especially in the case of terrorism against tourists. It is hard, for example, to find any muslims condemn openly the Bali Bombers.

  23. avatar Shloka says:

    Just two questions:

    1) Achmad, didn’t you criticise Ross as a bigot when he said gays should be punished? Why have you turned into a racist now? And why that slur on atheists and agnostics? I’m sure there are many very educated, sophisticated atheists and agnostics, just like many very nice Javanese Muslims. Infact you’re a very likable Javanese Muslim too, despite your (mis)conception that you’re very handsome.

    2) Why that reference to Olympics? Jealousy?

  24. avatar Andy says:

    These two boys (Achmad and Isquail) i’m afraid are just plain cowards. Why do I say that? Because Acmad keeps telling us he was just translating into English what Isquail was saying and they are not his on words. But our friend Isquail won’ even come on and explain himself. Go figure.

  25. avatar Achmad Sudarsono says:

    Shloka,

    It’s the 21st century, people’s love lives are their own business (presuming of course consenting adults etc etc). No one’s ever accused me of being consistent.

    Andy,

    Fair enough. Iqhbal’s been out of internet reach, but I’ll try to get in touch. Any specific questions ?

  26. avatar janma says:

    Janma,

    Alot of those reports are in papers like Lampu Merah, not exactly paragons of high-quality journalism.

    Bullsh*t achmad! a lot of those reports are on the bloody news! why are your sources pristine and mine somehow ‘lampu merah’?
    And if this Iqbal character didn’t want to write under his own name what’s the point since you told us his name anyway? and definetly you would never had published it under yours unless you agreed with it, and then when we get worked up you tell us to take it up with this ‘fictional’ character who we couldn’t take it up with even if we wanted to! What gives?

  27. avatar Achmad Sudarsono says:

    Hi Janma,

    All fair and reasonable — I’ll get on to Iqhbal — but my comments are getting moderated — also fair and reasonable.

    Talk soon.

  28. avatar Lairedion says:

    Rob said

    The fact that Muhammad married a six-year-old and then consummated that marriage when she was nine combined with the fact that Garry Glitter has done jail time for his pederast crimes seems to be sufficient for you to smear all Muslims and all white folk.

    The fact I mentioned the infamous prophet is just a warning and a reminder pedophilia is halal in Islam. I’m not saying every Muslim will do this but you might wanna check this link:

    http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/07/15/yemen.childbride/index.html

    And I wasn’t smearing all white folk, only the Anglo-Celts. Rob, your reply, unintentionally or not, tells why I sometimes dislike the misplaced superior behaviour of Anglo-British-Celts. That’s why I was referring to Andalucian Spain in my comment. Aussies, Yanks and Brits, you’re not the only whites in this world neither do you represent all whites although you still think you do.

  29. avatar Shloka says:

    @ Achmad,

    Agree with you that what consenting adults do- heterosexual, homosexual or otherwise is their own business. What horny teens do is their own business as well, provided they’re about the same age. However, accusing Aussies of being more prone to pedophilia than other nationalities needs more research or more nabbed pedophiles, IMO. Thats why I used “racist” Also, I felt that bit about the Aussie Olympics medals and Aussie non believers in God is irrelevant to the issue of pedophilia.

    These were just my opinions on reading your article. No hard feelings. 🙂

  30. avatar Andy says:

    I have seen more drugs, prostitution, pedophilia and thieving in Indonesia than anywhere else i’ve been. What has religion done for their country except for divide it and make them less educated. The way they sprout morality is a smokescreen for all their real problems. Hypocrisy and laziness abounds as they wish to blame their problems on the rest of the world. Maybe if they got off their a** they would win a few Olympic medals.

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