Islamophobia
April 14th, 2008, in News, by PatungView the original article here.
Tags: Australia, Bali, Clerics, Intellectuals, Islam, Islamic, Islamophobia, Media, Muhammad, Muslim, Muslims, Religion, Religions, Religious, Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, Westerners
134 Comments on “Islamophobia”
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M. Nur Says:
April 18th, 2008 at 1:16 pmKalau kalah Main kroyokan ni yeh malu deh …….. ahhh.
Please don’t lecture me or direct me some books you have already read from hypocrites that stood anywhere from rejection to not knowing. If you don’t know then don’t reject nor believe.
I will show to world that being in DON’T KNOW position is unacceptable and wrong even in computer digital is only know as 1 or 0 or yes and no. There is no such between yes or no ( belive or disbelieve).In quantum physics (Schrodinger’s cat) or to be more simple say there is a box which can contain an apple or empty (1 or 0). Whoever make a correct guess given a prize. There is only 2 possibilities who will get the prize if the apple is there then whoever say YES get the prize and who say NO don’t get the prize. Or the other way around. The hypocrites will never have a gut to say yes or no. What he get ? worse then a looser. Even in politics the voter who don’t use his vote ideally he can’t complain nor get support from government. But the hypocrites as we know always complain. SO NOW YOU KNOW YOU ARE !.
You are all infact worst then islamic religionist who read too much hadis. You always make reference just like ustad made reference to sahabat. You charge like mob like FPI. You talk strong word with the letter F, A, and D. such expression of loosing the batlle. The religionist have more ethical than you guys and it is good that now everybody know.
I am in the position who say YES and respect God but very skeptical to theism. Also I believe by reason in afterlife and looking forward to this evolution. If you want to call me Mr. Afterlife then fine and I like it. I read Quran because it has many similarities with what I think and give much room for me to think rather than any book so I can give my own understanding and interpretation but very different way with Ulama translation.
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Mach Jabber Says:
April 18th, 2008 at 1:20 pm@ janma
fiddle with the laws of the universe on the behalf of a single petitioner who by his own admission is unworthy?!
Credit the good old Ambrose Bierce on that one, please.
@ Lairedion
You can do better.
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April 18th, 2008 at 1:21 pmEven after the box is open an the the reality is revealed. The Hypocrites will still say : I DON’T KNOW !
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April 18th, 2008 at 1:33 pm@ M. Nur
I will show to world that being in DON’T KNOW position is unacceptable and wrong even in computer digital is only know as 1 or 0 or yes and no. There is no such between yes or no ( belive or disbelieve).
Behold NULL.
In quantum physics (Schrodinger’s cat) or to be more simple say there is a box which can contain an apple or empty (1 or 0). Whoever make a correct guess given a prize. There is only 2 possibilities who will get the prize if the apple is there then whoever say YES get the prize and who say NO don’t get the prize. Or the other way around.
Nah, nah, misleading analogies. In all cases (the infamous Schrodinger’s cat, the box, and the prize) the damn controversy is guaranteed to be solved. You open the box, you get the answer whether the apple existed or not. In case of God, you won’t get an aswer if the answer’s no.
The hypocrites will never have a gut to say yes or no.
Second misleading analogy. If we *know*, we are morally obliged to answer either yes or no. If we *don’t*, it’s called sotoy.
Even in politics the voter who don’t use his vote ideally he can’t complain nor get support from government. But the hypocrites as we know always complain.
Third misleading analogy. The ‘complaints’ from those who don’t vote come *after* the results. In the God case, no results yet (that’d be Judgment Day).
You are all infact worst then islamic religionist who read too much hadis. You always make reference just like ustad made reference to sahabat. You charge like mob like FPI. You talk strong word with the letter F, A, and D. such expression of loosing the batlle. The religionist have more ethical than you guys and it is good that now everybody know.
Thank you. This makes too much sense I squirm.
I am in the position who say YES and respect God but very skeptical to theism.
Yes, yes. I respect that.
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janma Says:
April 18th, 2008 at 1:48 pmMach said… “Credit the good old Ambrose Bierce on that one, please.”
That’s right…. I knew I remembered that from somewhere….. I just looked it up online.. he said “to pray is to ask that the laws of the universe be anulled in behalf of a single petitioner, confessedly unworthy.” I just love that dictionary!
PLAGIARISM, n. A literary coincidence compounded of a discreditable priority and an honorable subsequence.
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April 18th, 2008 at 2:22 pmBut of course, that is a classic.
CRITIC, n. A person who boasts himself hard to please because nobody
tries to please him.ORTHODOX, n. An ox wearing the popular religious joke.
MEDICINE, n. A stone flung down the Bowery to kill a dog in Broadway.
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janma Says:
April 18th, 2008 at 2:39 pmOr my favorite…..
Patience… a minor form of despair, disguised as a virtue. -
April 18th, 2008 at 2:57 pm@Mach
You open the box, you get the answer whether the apple existed or not. In case of God, you won’t get an aswer if the answer’s no.
The hypocrites not a fun person to play, when asked to chose YES or NO always urge to open the box to be opened first and then they answer. Such a mundane and boring personality.
If they asked with questions they go different way. -
April 18th, 2008 at 3:03 pm@Mach
Behold NULL.
We talking about the existence. The existence can not be NULL is either exist or not exist.
What college are you from ?Behold NULL not equal 0 !
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April 18th, 2008 at 3:22 pmThe hypocrites not a fun person to play, when asked to chose YES or NO always urge to open the box to be opened first and then they answer. Such a mundane and boring personality.
Let’s just say that we ‘hypocrites’ are not arrogant enough to claim knowledge on something we honestly know nothing about.
We talking about the existence. The existence can not be NULL is either exist or not exist.
Ha. We’re that’s the value of the beholder’s knowledge, o great mind of civilization.
0 - you know God doesn’t exist
1 - you know God does
NULL - you don’t knowFunny how the method of thinking outside the box suddenly cease to be an option whenever it threatens our oversimplified propositions.
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April 18th, 2008 at 3:24 pm* “Well that’s…”
And BTW, Bierce’s definition of despair is chilling.
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April 18th, 2008 at 3:39 pmNULL - you don’t know
We talk about THE EXISTENCE if it exist or not exist ? that’s why there no word NULLENCE ? is there any word NULLENCE or NULLENCY or DUNOCY ?. Again I repeat ….. we’re talking about THE EXISTENCE………. YES or NO.
I don’t care if you don’t know….
I guess you choose NULLENCE then ask linguistic to make this new word.
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Rob Says:
April 18th, 2008 at 3:46 pmM. Nur…
I think everyone gets the M. Nur picture! Yet, not everyone has to believe as you do, not everyone has to think as you do, and not everyone has to act as you do!
If you truly believe in what you write here then go out and live your life to those ideals and stop preaching to those you are obviously not going to convert!
Your posts are getting repetitive and monotonous in tone…I am starting to think that you are writing because you need to read your own words to convince yourself. This is similar to someone who talks often and talks a lot because they like the sound of their own voice.
Once again, I get your point and I do not agree with you!
Find something else to rant about because I think we have just about ranted this one out…
Have a good weekend!
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April 18th, 2008 at 3:55 pmImagine that one day the box will open and the answer is only 2 :
1. EXIST
2. NOT EXISTnumber 3 no more valid because the box is already open.
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Lairedion Says:
April 18th, 2008 at 4:01 pmThis is getting boring.
This discussion has turned into an exchange of pseudo-intellectual crap talk. The both of you must be very busy with your Indo-English dictionaries and boasting about your college education. I prefer being streetwise.
One must realize we are talking about nothing really, like on all other threads on IM.
Don’t take it all too seriously.
Adios, I’m over to the How to Catch Mr. Bule thread. Suits better to my shallow interests on sex and women.
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April 18th, 2008 at 4:06 pmBut by the time it open you can not say YES or NO because is cheating and the question is already obsulete …. caphise …
Imagine if you are time traveller and already have the answer inside the box and you go back in time. What would you say to the people from past ? are going to tell them I DON’T KNOW what inside the box….. what a liar….
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April 18th, 2008 at 6:33 pmEverybody cease like chicken……. so much for freethinkers who claim :
The EXISTENCE can be NULL. Everybody who have logic find this illogical.
I have been prove to them that to chose NULL to the existence is like cheating.In Quran there is metaphor for people like this after they find the inconvenient truth in the future they will beg to send back to earth so that can correct their mistake. Well too late buddy….
Another victory for logical sense.
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April 18th, 2008 at 6:49 pmWell ? I need your argument I know you there discussing……
Explain The EXISTENCE can be NULL
That its you waste my time…… I better prepare my bike for night offroad…. and enjoylife
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April 18th, 2008 at 7:11 pm@mach jaber’s logic said :
0 - you know God doesn’t exist
1 - you know God does
NULL - you don’t knowHe think to ‘know’ or ‘not’ is The Existence itself. I tell you what whether the Existence is there or not will NOT affected by people who know or don’t. Apple will not wait for you to know so it become exist or for you to don’t know to become not exist. So The God also will not wait you to know so He become exist.
Compare wtih my logic
0-God not exist
1-God Exist
NULL- not valid (you can not wait until somebody who have come from heaven telling you then you can say 1 and 0). -
diego Says:
April 19th, 2008 at 4:54 amOh, nur, so you post the comment to IM while you were riding your bike, in the night, offroad? With your cellphone? Be careful next time, you might get an accident….
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Asulo Says:
April 19th, 2008 at 2:35 pmTransmigrants and their form of islam are bringing major troubles to Maluku and Papua as well
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dewaratugedeanom Says:
April 19th, 2008 at 8:58 pmM. Nur said
In quantum physics (Schrodinger’s cat) or to be more simple say there is a box which can contain an apple or empty (1 or 0). Whoever make a correct guess given a prize. There is only 2 possibilities who will get the prize if the apple is there then whoever say YES get the prize and who say NO don’t get the prize. Or the other way around.
A Zen-master would solve this koan as follows: he would put the box on the shelf, walk to the nearest apple-tree, pick himself an apple and eat it.
That’s what they call thinking outside the box.
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Nu Gelo Says:
April 19th, 2008 at 10:38 pmI think the moslems don’t need to hate or protest those who are afraid of islam. And they could not blame the movie maker “fitna”. The one they should blame are all the terrorist who do their terror using the name islam. As “The Secret” say that whether you resist or persist it does exist. The more they demonstrate, against the west or any islam hater cartoonist, the more it exist. Just forget about it….
punten ari aya salah, abdi ge urang sunda…
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April 19th, 2008 at 11:51 pmTo all you do not need to bait M. Nur into a response…if you do not respond you are a chicken, if you do not agree with Nur’s logic then you do not understand.
This is a battle not worth fighting! With a bit of luck Nur will get to see the after life and be the first one to come back and tell us what we are missing out on!
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April 20th, 2008 at 2:54 am@Nu gelo,
Teu nanaon…
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April 20th, 2008 at 8:35 amAlright, alright, I tire of the same old “either you with God or with the atheist” bullshit. I thank Rob for enlightening me about the uselessness of this discussion. Thank you, sir.
And M. Nur, sir, tell God I said hi.
*proceeds to watch Marc Dorcel to kill time*
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janma Says:
April 20th, 2008 at 10:04 amImagine that one day the box will open and the answer is only 2 :
1. EXIST
2. NOT EXISTnumber 3 no more valid because the box is already open.
Yeah, well, the box ‘isn’t’ open… so until the box is opened, null is valid.
Janma
*I think I am, therefore I think I am* -
April 20th, 2008 at 11:10 amPeople who do not believe ANY EXISTENCE is like people who live in stupidity in medieval dark ages who don’t know the existence of jet plane just because they don’t know yet. They limit them self to what he can see or not. open or not.
They believe what they know and they don’t, is their existence. So any existence must WAIT until they see it. They don’t have any effort to finding… they will simply say I don’t know. They believe an apple exist because they see it now and forget apple already exist before they exist.
This atheism dogma is dangerous because try bring back human to their dark ages of not know and ignorance and discourage the spirit of finding.
Any existent by nature is always YES because any existence WILL NOT WAIT until you see it or not. This teach is also mention in Quran as GHAIB which mean the existence of something that you don’t know.
SO BE CAREFUL to people like this Mach Jaber, Janma and the gang who together in team that trying to misslead pure freethinker. The are not freethinker. They limited thinker.
Thank you
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Marisa Says:
April 20th, 2008 at 7:34 pm@ M. Nur
It’s better that they mislead people with their own thoughts, their own design;
Rather than to mislead people, or anything that concerns the welfare of any human being, with what is known as God’s words.Your logic is absurd. You expect human beings to choose between the two options as if they’re dolphins and chimps, whereas human beings themselves that design those options. Any option. Any concept. Any existence in this world.
Your logic is absurd, because another human being made it for you. Not yourself.
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April 20th, 2008 at 10:34 pmMarissa give another example of dogma in Atheism :
dolphins and chimps can be exist except God, anything but god (it is so predisposition, unfair)
Logic say :
Any existence whatever it is including God can be exist and not necessary to wait Marissa to know the existence.
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