Youth Groups & Activists Running Amok

Mar 19th, 2008, in IM Posts, by

Boisterous youth groups in search of alcohol and the attractions of Batam.

There is a quote in the film "Ayat Ayat Cinta",

Sabar dan ikhlas. Itu adalah Islam! (Patience and sincerity. That's what Islam is!)

There may be plenty of people who manage to live up to this, as far as is humanly possible, these people don't appear to be among them:

The Sport of Sweeping in Solo

In Solo/Surakarta on the night of 17th March a group of what are variously described in the media as "thugs", or "youths", or less harshly "local residents", were having a party on the street, and some of them were drunk, or were in the process of getting drunk.

From a neighbouring district hundreds of men from the Muslimin mosque, called by the media either "activists" or "youths", or "members of the Laskar Islam Solo", arrived on foot and attempted to break up the party. The partygoers resisted but were outnumbered and in an ensuing brawl two of them suffered serious head injuries, in one case fatal.

Police eventually detained over 100 men, it seems all from the "mosque activists" team, after an hours' long stand-off at a mosque, where the men had to be negotiated with before they would surrender, and in the end some of them put up a fight anyway. [1]

The next day Khalid Syaifullah, the Executive Director of the "Front Perlawanan Penculikan" (Anti-Kidnapping Front, see "Terrorist Kidnapping"), and representing the "Laskar Islam Solo", said the mosque activists were tricked by the police into surrendering, and the police were now unjustly holding the men as suspects. He also said the men had since been beaten by police while in custody. [2]

The Lure of Batam

And on the 18th members of the South Sulawesi branch of the "Pergerakan Mahasiswa Islam Indonesia" (PMII), Islamic University Students Movement, had gathered expectantly at the PMII headquarters in Jakarta waiting to be transported to a PMII conference on the island of Batam.

Possibly because the PMII had booked Adam Air, or not, some transport problem prevented the students from leaving for Batam, and crestfallen, the boys expressed their disappointment on the furniture and windows of the building, smashing them.

Nahdlatul Ulama (NU) leader Syaiful Bahri Ansori said although the PMII was nothing to do with the NU organisationally, people knew that PMII members tended to be NU members as well and he was worried and shocked at their behaviour. He also hoped the PMII organisers would improve their act. [3]


58 Comments on “Youth Groups & Activists Running Amok”

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  1. avatar janma says:
    March 19th, 2008 at 10:28 am

    Running Amok is a time honored Indonesian tradition…… it should be encouraged.

  2. avatar Riyoz says:
    March 19th, 2008 at 8:49 pm

    Ckckckck…you know what I think ?…I think this site (or a ‘hate site’, perhaps ?) ought to have a different title and I think “Islamic Matters”, or better yet…”Wretched Islamic Monsters” should fits nicely….

  3. avatar Andrew says:
    March 19th, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    A bitter pill to swallow, eh?

  4. avatar Riyoz says:
    March 19th, 2008 at 9:11 pm

    “A bitter pill to swallow, eh?”

    If it’s medicine it’s got to be swallowed anyway, right ?….:D and as always it’s much easier and juicier to just talk about the bad deeds rather than the good ones……I just can’t help wondering, where do all this hate came from ? is it post US’s inside job 911 or US-Indo perhaps Aus intel created Bali Bombings ?….

  5. avatar fanaticoislamistasapestan says:
    March 19th, 2008 at 9:50 pm

    @riyoz:

    >> is it post US’s inside job 911 or US-Indo perhaps Aus intel created Bali Bombings ?

    I’ve had enough of this type of comments. It reminds me of some of my university colleagues (in Bandung Institute of Technology *), the so-called “moderate moslems”, who commented “this must be the jews” when we watched the Bali bombing (I) news on television. How insensitive and brainwashed they are (too much friday sermons filled with hate speechs toward anything other than islam, particularly jews?).

    Now that it’s been proven, that it was terrorists with islamic background who did that, what would they (my “friends”) say?

    I’ve always told myself not to bash any religion, including islam (although it’s always tempting to do so, considering how f*cked up some “religious people” are), that people are basically nice, etc., etc. But these people like riyoz (and possibly cukurungan), consumed by their hate, makes it less “motivating” for some of us to keep thinking and acting that way.

    This guy riyoz seems to be so drowned in this middle-east conflict(s). His comments are always so out-of-topic; basically he only babled about jews this, christian that, and some random statistics. I wonder sometimes if he has ever done anything real to help those people suffering from that stupid conflict.

    ——
    *) Yes, ITB stinks, full of islamic fanatics, intolerant, narrow-minded. It’s still fresh in my mind, the posters put all over the campus by some activists of Gamais (Gabungan Mahasiswa Islam) telling their fellow moslems not to say “merry christmas” to the christians. ITB, what hopes does it have? Aren’t they supposed to be progressive, smart, tolerant, open-minded, and all those good stuffs, that would allow them to build good relationships with people of other nations and make the best out of this new world?

    - Balinese, agnostic -
    Fanatico Islamistas Apestan — Islamic Fanatics Stink
    ——

  6. avatar Riyoz says:
    March 19th, 2008 at 11:45 pm

    is it post US’s inside job 911 or US-Indo perhaps Aus intel created Bali Bombings ?

    I’ve had enough of this type of comments. It reminds me of some of my university colleagues (in Bandung Institute of Technology *), the so-called “moderate moslems”, who commented “this must be the jews” when we watched the Bali bombing (I) news on television. How insensitive and brainwashed they are (too much friday sermons filled with hate speechs toward anything other than islam, particularly jews?).

    Jews ? nah, it’s not that simple.

    Now that it’s been proven, that it was terrorists with islamic background who did that, what would they (my “friends”) say?

    Proven ? yeah, right….some naive and gullible villagers with their pipe bombs ?….sorry for my pesimism…but after all that I’ve learned about what might happened to the Twin Towers on 911 (you should see for yourself at http://www.911truth.org, it’s quite scientific), I’ve a much clearer view on all other ‘terrorism’ cases that popped-up right after 911, bali bombings included….this doesn’t mean that I don’t felt sorry for the victims, no, far from that….heck, we are all victims here, man….victims of that sick power play games played by those sick imperialists power elites with their minnions and lackeys….I have a simple rule for all this, just find out who really benefits the most from those ‘terrorism’ cases, and you’ll find you perpetrator.

    I’ve always told myself not to bash any religion, including islam (although it’s always tempting to do so, considering how f*cked up some “religious people” are), that people are basically nice, etc., etc. But these people like riyoz (and possibly cukurungan), consumed by their hate, makes it less “motivating” for some of us to keep thinking and acting that way.

    Hate ? ckckck….I’m not using any slander and harsh remarks toward any ethnic groups in my postings, where’s the hate, man ? or do you consider posting historical facts on certain events is another form of “hatred” ?

    This guy riyoz seems to be so drowned in this middle-east conflict(s). His comments are always so out-of-topic; basically he only babled about jews this, christian that, and some random statistics. I wonder sometimes if he has ever done anything real to help those people suffering from that stupid conflict.

    Well, you don’t really know do you ? but what I can say is this….it’s never enough !! how, about you ?””””

    *) Yes, ITB stinks, full of islamic fanatics, intolerant, narrow-minded. It’s still fresh in my mind, the posters put all over the campus by some activists of Gamais (Gabungan Mahasiswa Islam) telling their fellow moslems not to say “merry christmas” to the christians. ITB, what hopes does it have? Aren’t they supposed to be progressive, smart, tolerant, open-minded, and all those good stuffs, that would allow them to build good relationships with people of other nations and make the best out of this new world?

    Yes ITB really stinks, alright…it’s becoming more, and more money oriented.

  7. avatar djoko says:
    March 20th, 2008 at 12:07 pm

    @ Riyoz

    Not just with regards to Islam, but as with anything, the mundane is just not very interesting. Don’t hold your breath waiting for an article on “Man performs solat, does not want to kill all infidels” any time soon.

  8. avatar Murphy says:
    March 20th, 2008 at 1:56 pm

    @ djoko

    Of course not. But an enlightened website will try to find balance from the media bias, and not just strengthening the stereotypes so it can have cyberspace equivalent of the Fight Club.

    I can, for example, setup a website called “America Matters” and then meticulously publish news only about American’s Jesus’ miracle healing industry, bible-thumping born-again-Christians, and the polygamous Mormons, and of course allow repeated discussion about how GWB is sanctioned by his Christian God to attack Iraq. I will let everybody believes that those news snippets represent problem with Christianity today.

    I’m sure very soon I will attract a couple of full time Riyozs or Djokos to answer the hundreds of Aluangs or Dragonwalls breeding in the site.

    And for what, sir? So we can lower ourselves to the level of the bigots out there? (faithfreedom.org anyone? How about sabili@yahoogroups?).

    I join this website, interested in some lively discussions on social and political issues. Little I know that those are just side dishes to what the main course is all about. While I enjoyed the side dishes (and the amazingly user friendly setting and layout), the main course is simply unpalatable.

  9. avatar dewaratugedeanom says:
    March 20th, 2008 at 5:08 pm

    As to prevent unexpected surprises or disappointments people should at least inform themselves on the About of a forum before joining.

  10. avatar Riyoz says:
    March 21st, 2008 at 4:42 am

    “Not just with regards to Islam, but as with anything, the mundane is just not very interesting. Don’t hold your breath waiting for an article on “Man performs solat, does not want to kill all infidels” any time soon.”

    that ‘bad’, huh ?…hahaha :D

  11. avatar Cukurungan says:
    March 21st, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    fanaticoislamistasapestan said:

    But these people like riyoz (and possibly cukurungan), consumed by their hate, makes it less “motivating” for some of us to keep thinking and acting that way.

    Me :

    Jesus taught me to love anyone include to the animals so I have no reason to hate anyone.
    My posting is mostly just matching post to other post and it is not a stand alone post. So before you make comments on my post better trace back its predecessor posting.

    And you don’t need to worry about my post because according many commentator here mostly my post is stupid , irrational, kampungan and it is only made from “english pas-2an”….so let ridicule me and have fun or just neglect it.

  12. avatar Deng Xiao Phing says:
    March 21st, 2008 at 8:17 pm

    *) Yes, ITB stinks, full of islamic fanatics, intolerant, narrow-minded. It’s still fresh in my mind, the posters put all over the campus by some activists of Gamais (Gabungan Mahasiswa Islam) telling their fellow moslems not to say “merry christmas” to the christians. ITB, what hopes does it have?

    Yes, it is true – no hopes until SBY don’t want to put his two lovely sons into ITB but in NTU (Nanyang Technology Univ of Singapore which is under Nanyang = South Chinese clan association funding). ITB = Institut Terorist Breeding, most of all our top government officers sent their children to overseas universities, why should we sent our children to ITB for paying it’s expensive tuition fee & non international accredited ITB standard ? afterall we should follow our president’s choice for his lovely sons

  13. avatar Riyoz says:
    March 21st, 2008 at 8:41 pm

    “Yes, it is true – no hopes until SBY don’t want to put his two lovely sons into ITB but in NTU (Nanyang Technology Univ of Singapore which is under Nanyang = South Chinese clan association funding). ITB = Institut Terorist Breeding, most of all our top government officers sent their children to overseas universities, why should we sent our children to ITB for paying it’s expensive tuition fee & non international accredited ITB standard ? afterall we should follow our president’s choice for his lovely sons”

    ckckck…”Institut Terrorist Breeding” ?…plleeeease :)…..so in this logic those who cannot sent their kids to study overseas…that is the mostly not so fortunate and rich people of this country are….”terrorists” ?….am I right ?…

  14. avatar Shorty says:
    March 21st, 2008 at 9:15 pm

    ……….an interpretation of religion which censures drunkeness, yet allows assault and murder/manslaughter of the trangressors, without the due process of law

    ……….your flight’s cancelled, so you trash other peoples property.

    they insult and demean me and the overwhelming majority of indonesians.

  15. avatar John Orford says:
    March 21st, 2008 at 9:55 pm

    sounds like a usual patrick’s day to me!

  16. avatar timdog says:
    March 21st, 2008 at 11:10 pm

    Very well said Murphy…

  17. avatar Aluang Anak Bayang says:
    March 22nd, 2008 at 1:24 am

    @ Murphys (or Murphies)

    I’m sure very soon I will attract a couple of full time Riyozs or Djokos to answer the hundreds of Aluangs or Dragonwalls breeding in the site.

    Please elaborate more. You are putting my name next to left and right wingers cowards hiding behind pseudonyms. Was that meant to insult?

  18. avatar Shorty says:
    March 22nd, 2008 at 9:01 am

    …sounds like a usual patrick’s day to me!…..

    Bloody paddies are everywhere. I didn’t realise that solo and batam were home to the lost tribes of Ireland!

    At least they got the date right in solo……….I’m fascinated – was it bintang hijau?

  19. avatar dewaratugedeanom says:
    March 22nd, 2008 at 12:10 pm

    Murphy said

    And for what, sir? So we can lower ourselves to the level of the bigots out there? (faithfreedom.org anyone?

    There’s a lot of fear going round because of this faithfreedom.org, isn’t it?
    Could it be because most of it is written by apostates who finally woke up and realized that all their lives they had been brainwashed and indoctrinated by clerical mind-snatchers, based on revelations concocted by a delusional maniac who turned into a murderous rapist warlord?

  20. avatar Deng Xiao Phing says:
    March 22nd, 2008 at 5:07 pm

    ckckck”¦”Institut Terrorist Breeding” ?”¦plleeeease :)”¦..so in this logic those who cannot sent their kids to study overseas”¦that is the mostly not so fortunate and rich people of this country are”¦.”terrorists” ?”¦.am I right ?”¦

    doesn’t mean to insult the less fortunate, but a sarcastic expression about ‘tut wuri handayani’ lan ‘ mikul nduwur nembe mendhem njero ‘, menawi sampeyan tiang njawi (english i pun = pribumi) lan kulo tiang CINO, nanging kulo saghet krama inggil nanging sampeyan mboten ngertos paribasanipun sampeyan dhewe …. ckckckck ….
    pribumi jan kebangeten temenan.

    Indon should learn to Singapore, they annually publish the marriage/divorce statistic comparison among races & religions. Thus to understand the each race (malay 20%, indian 15%, others 10% & majority chinese 55%) family problems.
    Guess what ? only muslim with the most orthodox daily life rules (sembayang 5 times a day, wearing jilbab, fasting, etc …) which have the most terrible marriage live, in Singapore from year to year the Malay muslim hv increasingly problematic marriage problem, divorce rate at the highest level compare to the Indian Hindu & the chinese buddhist … well amitabha …. kulo curious to know what if Indon publish the similar statistics ? … well the numbers will be manipulated for ‘asal bapak senang’ anyway ? who cares ? …. no wonder the muslim parent unable to teach their children behave in this beautiful life …. what a shame !

  21. avatar shorty says:
    March 22nd, 2008 at 6:21 pm

    can we drop the rambling philosophical/religious crap and get back to the starting point?

    1. in solo some people were having a street party where they got pissed. another group which objected to this behaviour attacked them resulting in the manslaughter/murder of one of the original group.

    2. in jakarta a group hoping to fly to batam trashed/vandalised property because their flight was cancelled.

    defending/supporting/justifying the responses is haram.

    since when is murder an appropriate response to drunkeness?

  22. avatar Aluang Anak Bayang says:
    March 22nd, 2008 at 9:31 pm

    @ Deng Xiao Phing

    Halah panjenengan niku ngawur! Meniko sanes kromo hinggil, kulo ugi saghed moco lan nulis aksoro Cinten. Ngatos-atos.. kulo meniko tiang Jawi, tiang Jawi meniko lanthip lan trengginas lho!

    Menawi Cinten meniko malah rakus sanget kados “den bagus”

    Another ‘Lao Fu Tze’ aka Dragonwall glorifying Singaporea. Tell us to be Asian I would accept that, but not Chinese, please.

  23. avatar Riyoz says:
    March 22nd, 2008 at 10:15 pm

    “doesn’t mean to insult the less fortunate, but a sarcastic expression about ‘tut wuri handayani’ lan ‘ mikul nduwur nembe mendhem njero ‘, menawi sampeyan tiang njawi (english i pun = pribumi) lan kulo tiang CINO, nanging kulo saghet krama inggil nanging sampeyan mboten ngertos paribasanipun sampeyan dhewe “¦. ckckckck “¦.
    pribumi jan kebangeten temenan.

    Guess what ? only muslim with the most orthodox daily life rules (sembayang 5 times a day, wearing jilbab, fasting, etc “¦) which have the most terrible marriage live, in Singapore from year to year the Malay muslim hv increasingly problematic marriage problem, divorce rate at the highest level compare to the Indian Hindu & the chinese buddhist “¦ well amitabha “¦. kulo curious to know what if Indon publish the similar statistics ? “¦ well the numbers will be manipulated for ‘asal bapak senang’ anyway ? who cares ? “¦. no wonder the muslim parent unable to teach their children behave in this beautiful life “¦. what a shame”

    oops javanese ? how in the heck do you know that i’m javanese ?…..”pribumi” jan kebangeten temenan ?….not insulting ? well’ sir I think you have done enough already…:D…”only” muslims with the ‘most’ orthodox daily life have the most ‘terrible’ marriage problems ? does this mean that they always come home late at night all drunk and then beat-up their wives ? Malay muslim ? what about the ‘other’ muslims ? arab, indian, and chinese perhaps, i’m sure you have all their numbers aswell, why stuck only on ‘malay’ muslims ? and do you happen to have their economic status aswell ? “¦. “no wonder the muslim parent unable to teach their children behave in this beautiful life “¦. what a shame” ckckckck…yet another one….

    well, sir….I don’t know what your religious and ethnical background is, but apparently you seems to enjoy spewing-out insults….and has ‘certain’ contempt for ‘malay’ (muslims or just ‘malay’ ?)

  24. avatar Cukurungan says:
    March 22nd, 2008 at 11:33 pm

    Indon should learn to Singapore, they annually publish the marriage/divorce statistic comparison among races & religions. Thus to understand the each race (malay 20%, indian 15%, others 10% & majority chinese 55%) family problems.

    Mas raden Deng Xiao Phing,

    I give you a chance to withdraw your post otherwise you are again prove that you are just “Katak didalam Tempurung” here we go check divorce rate from the neutral source:

    http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/peo_div_rat-people-divorce-rate

    If you use little bit your brain by analyzing those statistic data, it was clear that the divorce rate does not dependent of faith or religion but rather the economical dependency of the person involved in the marriage.
    And for sure The Indonesia divorce rate is much lower than Singapore Divorce Rate.

  25. avatar Deng Xiao Phing says:
    March 22nd, 2008 at 11:47 pm

    “¦. no wonder the muslim parent unable to teach their children behave in this beautiful life “¦. what a shame !

    let’s get down to the root cause of problem, why Indon radical muslim youth are uncontrollable ? as if the parent have zero control over their behaviour ?

    Singapore/Malaysia/Brunei are not a good example because every Malay born child must be muslim by default law & syairah. Let’s see Indonesia, our beautiful country hv lots of freedom, you can see quite a number of Malay tiang Jawi practising Kristen Jawi & Kejawen and the population are not really small although is getting smaller. Did u ever hear them run amok since 1945? like the minority Muslim Mindanao is dare to run amok in the Catholic majority of the Phllipines?
    Why the minds are corrupted easily ? what is the racun ?

  26. avatar Riyoz says:
    March 23rd, 2008 at 12:51 am

    let’s get down to the root cause of problem, why Indon radical muslim youth are uncontrollable ? as if the parent have zero control over their behaviour ?

    hmm…any numbers on this aswell ?….

    Singapore/Malaysia/Brunei are not a good example because every Malay born child must be muslim by default law & syairah ?

    or because muslims who live there are much ‘nicer’ than we are here ? hmm…if both parents are muslim is it not natural that their new borns are considered muslims aswell ? or do you prefer to label them ‘neutral’ at birth ? :)

    Let’s see Indonesia, our beautiful country have lots of freedom, you can see quite a number of Malay tiang Jawi practising Kristen Jawi & Kejawen and the population are not really small although is getting smaller. Did you ever hear them run amok since 1945? Like the minority Muslim Mindanao is dare to run amok in the Catholic majority of the Phllipines?

    Because they are not being oppressed? Getting smaller?

    A bit o’ history on moro struggle:

    Ethnic Identity and Popular Sovereignty
    Notes on the Moro Struggle in the Philippines
    E. San Juan, Jr
    Philippines Cultural Studies Center, USA

    http://etn.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/6/3/391

    Why the minds are corrupted easily? What is the racun?

    Various problems? Perhaps economics? Or simply misbehavin’.

  27. avatar shorty says:
    March 23rd, 2008 at 7:00 pm

    singapore, malaysia, brunei, moro in the philippines……….

    so what!! stop wanking!!

    how the hell can any right minded person not CONDEMN the vigilante actions in solo. you get drunk – i kill you?? indefensible. my plane is late/cancelled so i destroy/damage someone else’s property – sama.

    for those defending/justifying (well attempting) these actions let me put these imagined scenarios…..

    a group of non muslims are pissed off with the early morning call to prayers, the get together, storm the mosque and in the resulting melee someone is killed…..

    a group of balinese hindus are returning 4 nyepi on garuda. the flight is delayed/cancelled. they vent their anger and trash offices at sukarno hatta airport…………

    what now is your reaction?

    ri exists for all indonesians.

  28. avatar Murphy says:
    March 24th, 2008 at 12:13 pm

    @Aluang

    Please elaborate more. You are putting my name next to left and right wingers cowards hiding behind pseudonyms. Was that meant to insult?

    You are right. My apology. I should put you somewhere else: failed cartoon character.

    A good jihadist caricature does provide exaggeration in few precise spots (google indonebia for example) to make the insults felt kicking like a cobekful of good sambal. It hit just the right spots, and set them on fire.

    You, on the other hand, can’t be bothered to think. You just hit the religion, wholesale. That’s an easy way out. Insult first, question later. Don’t bother to understand the situation or to find that troubled spots worth insulting. That, my friend, in terms of quality insult, is anything but.

  29. avatar Janma says:
    March 24th, 2008 at 12:58 pm

    You, on the other hand, can’t be bothered to think. You just hit the religion, wholesale. That’s an easy way out. Insult first, question later. Don’t bother to understand the situation or to find that troubled spots worth insulting. That, my friend, in terms of quality insult, is anything but.

    Murphy, the joke maybe on you….. Aluang may actually have passed through understanding the situation and come out the otherside already, hence the burlesque.

  30. avatar Cukurungan says:
    March 24th, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    There’s a lot of fear going round because of this faithfreedom.org, isn’t it?

    Yes, it was part of our history when Bli Dewaratugedeanom was on the faith freedom side, at that time he was a dangerous monster to Islam because he was able to ridicule Muslim and Islamic teaching and there were so many Sheikh, Mullah and Ustadz were leaving Islam (katanya-2) but now the monster was converting to Islam and Hopefully someday he would assume responsibity to take lead on the Australia Front Line to liberate our aboriginal brother from the white infidels claw and he will remain in Muslim until his death.

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