Fitna by Geert Wilders

March 7th, 2008, in Opinion, by Lairedion

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gigi Says:
May 9th, 2008 at 11:58 pm
I’m no rocket scientist, but it seems that this Aluang Anak Bayang character is an Islam hater guising himself as a Muslim and uttering sarcasms along the way. Another coward in the likes of the proverb “lempar batu sembunyi tangan”.
John Green Says:
May 10th, 2008 at 12:52 am
Cukurungan

My advice to you is not to believe the prophecies of Mr. Bush. I doubt that he can even spell the word Islam let alone express an opinion.

You ask for evidence of the hatred and vengeance contained in the Quran. You must read the book and you will find evidence in nearly every chapter. It is the document that is quoted by Islamists and Jihadists to justify their atrocities. If you do not have a copy of the Quran I can send you the address of a website with the Quran in English and Arabic, in a searchable format. It really is X certificate stuff. Don’t read it last thing at night!

Europe is free from book-censorship. The Quran is freely available. You can even obtain copies of “Mein Kampf “if you want to explore Hitler’s twisted mind. There is also freedom to practice whatever religion you wish, unlike most Islamic countries. Although there is a large minority in Britain who practice Islam, not many unbelievers convert. There are some Moslems who wish to leave the religion but these people are physically and verbally attacked by fellow Moslems and they receive death threats.

You are mistaken if you believe the two World Wars were religious wars. There are libraries full of books that will explain to you the historical context of these wars.

By the way, what do you mean by a “Jesus Follower”. Do you mean a Christian? Do you prefer to call Moslems “Mohammed Followers”?

I would suggest that there is no honour in killing any innocent person, whether for fun or for hatred. What puzzles me is that your religion came from the same roots as the Jewish religion and Christianity. Why then all the hatred and bigotry? To an atheist like me, it is all just nonsense.

One final point: how can you know the whereabouts of your God, and whether She is up amongst the clouds watching you or what Her motives are? Does She give you daily bulletins? I think we should be told.
gigi Says:
May 11th, 2008 at 12:21 am
@ John Green:

One final point: how can you know the whereabouts of your God, and whether She is up amongst the clouds watching you or what Her motives are? Does She give you daily bulletins? I think we should be told.

I’m of the opinion that we should not be told. Because that’s the whole point of this thing called life. I think life is a testing ground of our faith in the unseen Supreme Being. If we succeed in life then our reward is in the hereafter, because we have proven that we are worthy of being near Him in the paradise. If we fail then the punishment is there as well, because we have failed to live up to the responsibilities that God had placed upon us, we have failed to become accountable for our actions in His view.

If God can be seen by all humanity everyday (say if we could see Him in the sky above) and rewarding the pious while punishing the sinners on the spot, then we don’t need faith, do we? And tell me, what’s the point of having free will in such case, for example? Think about it.
Janma Says:
May 12th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
If we succeed in life then our reward is in the hereafter, because we have proven that we are worthy of being near Him in the paradise. If we fail then the punishment is there as well, because we have failed to live up to the responsibilities that God had placed upon us, we have failed to become accountable for our actions in His view.

If God can be seen by all humanity everyday (say if we could see Him in the sky above) and rewarding the pious while punishing the sinners on the spot, then we don’t need faith, do we? And tell me, what’s the point of having free will in such case, for example? Think about it.

see, for me that attitude just makes God sound like some sick game playing judgmental git.
gigi Says:
May 12th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
@ Janma:

But life isn’t a game, is it? It’s a serious test, a proving ground if you will. It seems He only wanted seriously good people around Him in His paradise. Why? Because if even good people on earth prefer the presence of other good people rather than bad ones around them, can you imagine the source of all that is good: God?

see, for me that attitude just makes God sound like some sick game playing judgmental git.

The same can be said about people like you: see, for me that attitude showed your innate arrogance, you think that you can (have the right to) judge God (as “some sick game playing judgmental git”) but God as the One Being that had created you out of nothingness can’t (doesn’t have the right to) judge whether you deserve to be around His presence in the afterlife?
Janma Says:
May 12th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
what would be the whole point of creating people and then testing them and then hanging out with them after they pass the test…..
I’m not judging God, I’m judging your idea of God…. cause that’s all it is. An idea.
John Green Says:
May 13th, 2008 at 5:18 am
Gigi

You miss my point. There is no evidence at all for the belief in God. God does not exist. Only blind faith can create the fantasy world that you describe. In the absence of any evidence for God’s existence, my question to you is: why do you believe? Does God whisper in your ear. Does She explain to you her motives and her rules for life that you describe? I think we need to know. What is the basis for your belief? Is it simply wishful thinking? Think about it.

The purpose of life is simple and clear. It is to survive and to procreate. No more, no less. This is the driving force behind all forms of life, from the primitive mono-cellular creatures that formed in the primordial soup to the most complicated animal of all, homo sapiens. This is what drives evolution. This is responsible for the world as we know it.

Sorry, gigi, it has got nothing to do with God, Father Christmas or the Tooth Fairy.
Cukurungan Says:
May 13th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
Cukurungan
My advice to you is not to believe the prophecies of Mr. Bush. I doubt that he can even spell the word Islam let alone express an opinion.

Anyway Mr Bush is still President of US while you are just nothing

You ask for evidence of the hatred and vengeance contained in the Quran. You must read the book and you will find evidence in nearly every chapter. It is the document that is quoted by Islamists and Jihadists to justify their atrocities. If you do not have a copy of the Quran I can send you the address of a website with the Quran in English and Arabic, in a searchable format. It really is X certificate stuff. Don’t read it last thing at night!

I read Quran at least 17 times each day and I never find any single word in Quran which teach us to become the hatred and vengeance monger person. My understanding, Islam does not preach peace unconditionally but the Islam teaches us to love justice more than we love peace.
However, please be noted that I fully respect your opinion toward the Quran because your opinion is yours and my opinion is mine and no one get hurt

Europe is free from book-censorship. The Quran is freely available. You can even obtain copies of “Mein Kampf “if you want to explore Hitler’s twisted mind. There is also freedom to practice whatever religion you wish, unlike most Islamic countries. Although there is a large minority in Britain who practice Islam, not many unbelievers convert. There are some Moslems who wish to leave the religion but these people are physically and verbally attacked by fellow Moslems and they receive death threats.l

Your word is a typical bigot word who has no shame to judge their self is good whereas the other is bad without evidence but you can not hide fact that Britain Civilizations was built upon starved to dead of 10 million the Hindu and Muslim India farmer and moreover I do hope that Diamond in Crown of UK is not diamond stolen from the someone else.

You are mistaken if you believe the two World Wars were religious wars. There are libraries full of books that will explain to you the historical context of these wars.

I never said that two World Wars were religious wars but you could not deny that those conflicts were mostly involving the people who claim their self as the Jesus follower.

By the way, what do you mean by a “Jesus Follower”. Do you mean a Christian? Do you prefer to call Moslems “Mohammed Followers”?

Sorry my mistake, the proper word for them should the Paul Follower because Jesus is Muslim who worship and submit to God while Christian is mysterious word for me because how can people who believe in divinity of Jesus and people who do not believe it claim their self is under the same umbrella of Christianity.

I would suggest that there is no honour in killing any innocent person, whether for fun or for hatred. What puzzles me is that your religion came from the same roots as the Jewish religion and Christianity. Why then all the hatred and bigotry? To an atheist like me, it is all just nonsense.

Friend, there is no single word in Quran verses that told the Muslim to hate the other belief yes I admit that annually we kill and slaughter more than millions of sheep not because we hate sheep but we need meat to fulfill our need and it is the same occasionally we kill the other but not because we hate them because we want to take back our land or wealth stolen by the other. Remember, we love peace but we love justice more than we love peace and for us War is more preferable than peace if there is no justice.

One final point: how can you know the whereabouts of your God, and whether She is up amongst the clouds watching you or what Her motives are? Does She give you daily bulletins? I think we should be told

Remember until now there is no man made equipment can see the limits of the universe while God is much bigger than Universe. Since 1400 year ago God told us that He will stay above the universe and watching from there that His Nature of Law is running according to His Plan because God already prescribed everything 50 thousand years before He created the universe.
Beyond the universe, God also created what we called as Heaven and Hell and at the moment both place is still empty and someday it will be loaded with billions human who ever live on earth and they will be qualified based on their respective deed alone as their final resting place.
The after life human is not the same again as we are now because God will re-create every human brain and body to the maximum capacity so the new human will be able to feel either the ultimate torment or happiness depend on their deeds alone.
Friend, the time is still on your side … please go and find Mosque and you know what to do. I tell you if I am wrong … there is no after life I will loss nothing except I miss enjoyment to f***k my wive friend and get drunk as you have… but if the after life is real you will be in big trouble not only during 90 years but forever.
John Green Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 7:48 pm
Cukurungan

I have to say that I found it very difficult to understand any of the points you were trying to make.

I recognise that I will never be able to change any of your beliefs and I certainly do not wish to. Likewise you will never convince me of the need to believe in a God or visit a Mosque.

My point is that there is no evidence for the belief in supernatural beings and it seems to me to be a ridiculous waste of time and energy to build a complex religion, that controls every aspect of one’s life, around the writings of an ancient prophet who claims to have had conversations with the Almighty.

There are many prophets alive today, many locked safely away in mental institutions. There are dozens in the USA, many of them leading religious cults with thousands of followers, often making predictions about the “coming of the Lord” or “the end of life on earth“.

I think we should accept the right of people to follow the teachings of these prophets, as long as these people do not interfere with others. I believe you have the right to follow the teachings of your prophet. The reason why your religion is criticised so much is the extend to which it tries to interfere with the lives of non-believers.

Do not worry yourself about my fate after death. I know that on my death I will no longer exist. That, I am sorry to tell you, will be your fate as well. There is no afterlife, no heaven, no 76 vestal virgins waiting for your arrival. Make the most of your life on earth; this is all there is.
John Green Says:
May 16th, 2008 at 3:52 am
Cukurungan

I have just reread your last message and I’ve had an idea. Just in case you are wrong about the afterlife, why don’t you carryout your plan and fuck your wife’s boy friend and then get drunk. You can always apologise to God afterwards and ask Her forgiveness. You know She is very forgiving and not at all vengeful!
Cukurungan Says:
May 16th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
I have to say that I found it very difficult to understand any of the points you were trying to make.
I recognise that I will never be able to change any of your beliefs and I certainly do not wish to. Likewise you will never convince me of the need to believe in a God or visit a Mosque.

I never try to convince and expect anything from you or anybody else because I fully believe that all human has free choice to act and to belief as they wish but it is nothing wrong to explain what is my belief and I have no intention or whatever to force anyone to belief what I belief even to my kid. And your case is not extraordinary one because more than 80% of 6 billions people on earth also do not believe in Islam.

My point is that there is no evidence for the belief in supernatural beings and it seems to me to be a ridiculous waste of time and energy to build a complex religion, that controls every aspect of one’s life, around the writings of an ancient prophet who claims to have had conversations with the Almighty.

I will not ask you Big thing such as Supernatural Being or God instead of I will ask you simple thing can you show me scientific evidence how either chicken or egg can exist by itself in the universe if you can show that then I may consider to change my belief and follow your pad to become an atheist.
If it is too difficult, I will ask you much simple thing to do, just find some blind people or idiot people and ask them to play Rubik’s Cube Puzzle, can you tell me how long or how many move required by those blind people can change Rubik’s Cube Puzzle from the tilted state to the solved state.
If it is proven that those blind/idiot people could solve Rubik’s Cube Puzzle with their random move, I will strongly consider to join in your rank ASAP, otherwise the theory of the universe can occurred by evolution or material self random action is likely baseless because the number of time and the number of the random move never cause anything to occur itself.

There are many prophets alive today, many locked safely away in mental institutions. There are dozens in the USA, many of them leading religious cults with thousands of followers, often making predictions about the “coming of the Lord” or “the end of life on earth“.

They might be prophet for you but not for me because my prophet brought the wisdom and truth had been proven to change a few barbaric Arabic to become the world ruler more than 700 years and their legacy still survive until today while your prophet even could not escape from the US jail then how can you compare both of them.
The same wisdom also brought our ancestor to survive passing 350 years hardship under the infidel oppression and even our ancestor can kick the infidels back to their nest in the Holland. We believe it because we enjoy sweetness the fruition of our belief and the western people hate it because they feel sourness of the fruition of our belief.

I think we should accept the right of people to follow the teachings of these prophets, as long as these people do not interfere with others. I believe you have the right to follow the teachings of your prophet. The reason why your religion is criticised so much is the extend to which it tries to interfere with the lives of non-believers.

If you want to believe 100% of the western media advertisement is up to you we do not care but there is clear fact that today no Islamic Armed Force occupied any single land belonging to the western world and Islam has no power to interfere other, the reason why Islam is criticized so much, it is not like what you said because at the moment, Islam is the only remaining religion dare challenge openly the western belief and culture system, and We very pride to declare that the Islam value totally does not match with the western world value because the Islamic value is based on the truth, justice and honesty while the western value based on double standard, cheating and liar.

Do not worry yourself about my fate after death. I know that on my death I will no longer exist. That, I am sorry to tell you, will be your fate as well. There is no afterlife, no heaven, no 76 vestal virgins waiting for your arrival. Make the most of your life on earth; this is all there is.

You also do not need to worry with my life because my life is so nice and so smooth, almost everything run as I wish and my belief does not give burden on my life. I have to confess that actually I am Master in seducing a woman no matter the kind of woman young, middle old woman, single lady or mid wife I can easily got I want from her and to be honest I also love f***king woman very much, therefore without my belief , it would be too many husband get hurt however with my belief, I have to expose my desire in proper manner and fortunately my belief still give me proper way out to cope with my issue and I work hard looking for big money so I can marry more than one woman legally without being charge in criminal case while in after life I hope that God will give me 76 vestal virgins. Therefore sorry at the moment I have no good reason to convert to atheist.
dewaratugedeanom Says:
May 17th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
Cukurungan said

The same wisdom also brought our ancestor to survive passing 350 years hardship under the infidel oppression and even our ancestor can kick the infidels back to their nest in the Holland.

Let me remind you that it were the Japanese who initially kicked the infidels out of Indonesia. After WW2 it was thanks to the UN who created the GOC (Good Offices Committee) and after the 2nd police action in 1948 it was under pressure of the Americans that the Dutch finally withdrew and transferred sovereignty over their colony (with the exception of western New Guinea) to an independent United States of Indonesia.

Imagine, Cukurungan, RI thanks its very existence to the support of those devilish white American infidels who slaughtered hundreds of millions natives. Now that you know there is nothing you can do except change your nationality or join the Reconquista of the great empire of Majapahit.

Hiduplah Nusantara. Majapahit will rule again. Merde! Merde! Merdeka!