FGM

Mar 3rd, 2008, in IM Posts, by

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  1. avatar Hugh says:
    March 15th, 2008 at 5:20 am

    “my daughter was sunat- in Central Java this means a Imam cutting a bay leaf in a purely symbolic Hindu era ceremony. She has all of her equipment.” BRAVO! Would that ALL gential cutting could be replaced with such symbols. Type 1 is hardly “common”.

    “The reality is malformations and clinical problems must be rectified via surgery.” Sometimes. When they occur. When they actually require rectification. When they can not be rectified without surgery. “Rectification” of intersexed people via surgery has proved to be worse than leaving them alone, in terms of their happiness as adults.

    “Traditional birth attendants”¦ cut a small piece of the prepuce (clitoral hood) or the clitoris itself until bleeding occurred. … the clitoris of the baby or young girl is scraped or touched, often with the purpose of drawing several drops of blood.”

    Why cut? Why scrape? Why draw blood? What’s so “enlightened” about that?

  2. avatar Aluang Anak Bayang says:
    March 15th, 2008 at 9:35 am

    Why cut? Why scrape? Why draw blood? What’s so “enlightened” about that?

    Symbolic, brother.

    Why would Priests imitate Jesus and pass around bread saying it is his body and red wine his blood? What is so enlightened about it?

  3. avatar Hugh says:
    March 15th, 2008 at 10:39 am

    The relevance of that escapes me, but it doesn’t matter because they’re NOT blood or flesh.

  4. avatar Riyoz says:
    March 15th, 2008 at 11:01 am

    “In an Islamic book called the Sunna, the prophet Muhammad was approached about the issue. He responded that cutting should be minimal at most. Aside from that, the Koran does not preach or even mention FGM (Lightfoot-Klein 42).”

    Hmmmm…this is quite clear isn’t it, it’s the people not the religion….maybe they just misunderstood or mix it up with their own traditional pre-Islamic cultures….

    “FGM is often associated with Islam, and there are people who believe that Islam sanctions it. The fact that type I is also called the ‘Sunna’ procedure (meaning ‘following the Prophet’s tradition’) is often used as evidence for this contention. However, it is found among both Muslim and Christian populations, and is a cultural practice that predates both religions. Type 3, or ‘infibulation’, also known in Sudan and Ethiopia as the ‘pharaonic procedure’, was most likely practised in ancient Egypt.”

    And apparently it’s quite prevalent in other cultures aswell…

  5. avatar Oigal says:
    March 15th, 2008 at 8:54 pm

    Chuck..

    “¦.50 millions Christian killed by their own in WW 1&2
    and more than 3 millions killed during France and Germany Christian War”¦

    Yep still very weak..Weren’t you the idiot using Hilter and Stalin as secular examples of evil ..oh well when you got no case make one up..Still if you want tell me christianity is bad no agruement from me anyway (although really sad examples, WW1 &2 were not religious wars). All religions breed on the ignorance of the masses. Point is most “christian” nations (admittedly with some hold outs and regressions) have moved on from where any two bit hawker with a gift of the gab can claim big daddy in the sky sez go kill in my name.

    remember it happened even after 1900 years birthdays of Jesus while Islam until today has not yet reach 1500 years after Birth of Islam Prophet.”

    Well the moderates are certainly allowing the loonies and crazies make up for lost ground then hey..Don’t think a body count by religion is something mankind should be proud of.

  6. avatar Sylvester says:
    March 16th, 2008 at 6:57 am

    If what is happening in Indo is just a symbol (no mutilation), then that is fine as part of the culture. The point is Indo needs to beware of Arabisation or extreme African practices brought by hardliner imams from Middle East. Indo was a nice place before the Wahabis clerics came.

  7. avatar Cukurungan says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 7:18 am

    Indo was a nice place before the Wahabis clerics came.

    Indonesia was nice place before the Christian Dutch plundered, stole and mugger our beloved country.

  8. avatar Achmad Sudarsono says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 8:46 am

    Dear All,

    If Janma’s a midwife — she’s got a lot of cred on this issue.

    Not saying the guys don’t — they’re a part of the practice as well. It’s just that she’s like to know 1000 % more of the technicalities than any of the men present.

    We should listen to her.

  9. avatar Janma says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 10:48 am

    Indonesia was nice place before the Christian Dutch plundered, stole and mugger our beloved country.

    boy Cuk, you must be old if you remember that…..

  10. avatar Molisan Tono says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 12:23 pm

    This is interesting… smelly pussy… easy way to figure that out… get a SHOWER!!! hahaha and wash the pussy too… it’s not a cat, wash it won’t kill you…. silly comment.

    Anyway… smelly pussy would be better than smelly heart.

    Beside that… the earlier articles says something really tickle my ears too… purpose for woman to reduce sex drive and circumcision on man to increase their sex drive.
    Now you all pervert (only the pervert) get a grip… have you ever heard man being raped by women? Yeah, it’s because of their sex drive are being increased.

    Women are being issue here as victim. MUI and people allowing this are sick person.

    If you don’t like it, don’t strecth it while you crave in it!!!!

  11. avatar Anne says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    I was born in Moslem family too (now I’m not), and was freaked out when I found out about FGM. How it is done, and the causes that it could make. I was then calling my mom at home and ask her about this.

    I don’t have any problem with sex drive, but I thought If I was circumcised I might actually be better than this (well).

    But after asking my mom, even she noticed about the dangers, and she said…. because it was the tradition that must be done, so we were pretending to circumcise you. Okay, I was confused. Who made this silly tradition and even now it was legally said as religious tradition ? What is the advantage of the tradition beside following God’s word?

    Would God tells us something that has many of dangerous causes and we don’t even know the advantage ?

    I was so freak out about this, and it is stupid if any woman in this world will receive this as it is. It should be stopped.

  12. avatar Janma says:
    March 18th, 2008 at 10:07 am

    Then you must attend a sunatan massal festival at the kampung near you. I can assure you, it’s a once in a lifetime experience. Worth every ounce of the Visit Indonesia Year 2008 hype.

    the kampung near me would sooner go to church on sunday than have a sunatan massal. I’ve been to one, in Malang. As long as it’s only boys and they want it done, then I’m not going to say anything. My son who is half javanese was trained from birth to never let his father try to make him do it. He did have a go, although rather half hearted, at getting my boy to do it….. he knew he was up against me and my daughter though….. and he was intimidated….. my son at 12 was half a head taller than his father, who is really short (like 165cm)… his father tried to tell him that the procedure would make him taller, we all looked at him somewhat blankly before collapsing into laughter. He never mentioned it again.

  13. avatar Achmad Sudarsono says:
    March 18th, 2008 at 11:43 am

    Janma,

    Are you a midwife full time ? Interesting midwifing is making a comeback in the industrial west. I hear they offer post-grad training in midwifing in the ‘States. One US-trained midwife told me that Western hospitals sometimes treat childbirth like it was an illness…

    Interesting.

    Achmad.

  14. avatar Murphy says:
    March 18th, 2008 at 11:59 am

    his father tried to tell him that the procedure would make him taller, we all looked at him somewhat blankly before collapsing into laughter. He never mentioned it again.

    But it’s true, you know. Ask every mother in Indonesia and they will show you the “evidence” that circumcision does make you taller. Nevermind the fact that most boys were circumcised just few years before the start of puberty, time when their limbs inexplicably grow longer like bean sprouts.

  15. avatar Janma says:
    March 18th, 2008 at 1:08 pm

    Are you a midwife full time ? Interesting midwifing is making a comeback in the industrial west. I hear they offer post-grad training in midwifing in the ‘States. One US-trained midwife told me that Western hospitals sometimes treat childbirth like it was an illness”¦

    Achmad, I am no longer a practicing midwife, I stopped practicing about 6 years ago. I was a home birth midwife and I mainly did births in Australia and India, I’ve only done about 20 births in Indonesia.
    Yes, in place all over they treat birth like a disease…. now I work with Bumi Sehat in Ubud mainly natural birth education and breast feeding support.

  16. avatar Cukurungan says:
    March 18th, 2008 at 1:46 pm

    my son at 12 was half a head taller than his father, who is really short (like 165cm)”¦ his father tried to tell him that the procedure would make him taller, we all looked at him somewhat blankly before collapsing into laughter.

    It should be no laughing for your husband because if your husband did not get a circumcision his height could be only 150cm ..not bad ..right …to have addition height of 15 cm

  17. avatar Hugh says:
    March 18th, 2008 at 2:08 pm

    his father tried to tell him that the procedure would make him taller

    Yes, there’s no end to the crazy reasons for cutting children’s genitals, boys’ and girls’. All the more reason to be suspicious of new ones – including those that claim to be “scientific”.

  18. avatar Michael says:
    March 18th, 2008 at 2:10 pm

    Female Genital Mutilation??? What allot of bull sh*t this IS!!! AND HOW PRIMITIVE THAT IS!!! ive been married to an Islamic Indonesian woman for 8yrs!! She was genital mutated from when she was a baby!!! I was appalled when i first saw her!!! This absolute cruelty and sadistic!!! This cruelty and unnecessary!!! And the religious theory is just absolute bull sh*t as she had more orgasms then any western woman that i knew of!!!

    So there goes the theory!!! The Islamic theory is like the Jewish theory with halal that is a watered down version of kosher??? This is so very questionable in this day and age!!! It’s ALL A MEANS???…of getting and brainwashing the believers or getting them to be fanatical to their faith!!!

    Wake UP people and be WITH THE MODERN AGE AND TIMES!!! Were NOT living in the 000000 aqge or if it was Islam then its started in 610 AD which is way later then judaisum…all u f___k wits who follow these confrontational religions…HEY WAKE UP!!! It’s the PRESENT and We’re Here In 2008 and LOOKING FOR THE Beyond & NOT THE PAST!!! YOU HEAR ME??? WELL I DON’T THINK SO BECAUSE UR ALL IN THE SAND AND WITH ONLY ONE AGENDA!!! AND THAT IS TO BE MARTYIRS AND STUGES TO UR RELIGIONS!!! SO PRIMITIVE AND STUPID!!!

    I’m sure our saviours would have wanted us to live in the present and the future and not be so backward like the Islamic and the Jewish religion is!!!

    Amen Adonay in jewish or Salom Alehemw in the islamic faith or whatever!!!

    The funny thing is that all these 3 religions have stemmed from the same roots….how hypocritical!!! And there the most poisonous and the worst religions on this planet!!! And the most confre4tetional!!….How ironic!!!

  19. avatar Murphy says:
    March 18th, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    Wow.

    I know Jamu Pasak Bumi works, but don’t take it more than the recommended dosage.

    Now you see the side effects.

  20. avatar Michael says:
    March 18th, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    Murphy u must be Irish!!! and what i say is what i feel murph!!! and ive been there and done that!!! with all this indonesian that really are following the islamic arabic bull sh*t!!! i cannot understand how such a beautiful nation and pople are so stupid to follow a religion that is so detremental to them!!! especially in that heat at ramadan???? huuuuummm???? and this modern day and age???

  21. avatar Lairedion says:
    March 18th, 2008 at 5:00 pm

    Murphy u must be Irish!!!

    Yep, Eddie Murphy is Irish too… :-)

  22. avatar dewaratugedeanom says:
    March 18th, 2008 at 5:10 pm

    Cukurungan said

    Indonesia was nice place before the Christian Dutch plundered, stole and mugger our beloved country.

    In psychiatric jargon they classify comments like this under ‘obsessive compulsive disorder’.

    Janma

    now I work with Bumi Sehat in Ubud mainly natural birth education and breast feeding support.

    Is this the one in Nyuhkuning or is there more than one in the Ubud area?

  23. avatar Lairedion says:
    March 18th, 2008 at 5:25 pm

    dewaratugedeanom

    Indonesia was nice place before the Christian Dutch plundered, stole and mugger our beloved country.

    In psychiatric jargon they classify comments like this under ‘obsessive compulsive disorder’.

    We can take it a step further by saying:

    Muslim-majority islands and areas , which are now part of Indonesia, Malaysia and Brunei, were nice places before Islam set foot ashore.

  24. avatar parvita says:
    March 19th, 2008 at 3:58 am

    Then you must attend a sunatan massal festival at the kampung near you. I can assure you, it’s a once in a lifetime experience. Worth every ounce of the Visit Indonesia Year 2008 hype.

    So cutting part of the body is ok for social gathering which only happens once in a life time. Twisted!

    “Hey, I’m having a festive at my home. Yes, I’m mutilating my daughter. Come!”.

  25. avatar Cukurungan says:
    March 19th, 2008 at 8:00 am

    In psychiatric jargon they classify comments like this under ‘obsessive compulsive disorder’.

    Dear Bli Dewa,

    Why after you convert to Muslim still become an un-justice person like a Jews…Ok.. you may hate me so much but for a Muslim your hate to other person shall not justify you to act un-justice onto them.

    My post is no more and no less just a matching post of Mr Sylvester Posting as below:

    Indo was a nice place before the Wahabis clerics came.

    Regards,
    Your New Brother

  26. avatar Murphy says:
    March 19th, 2008 at 9:34 am

    @parvita

    Ah, you are not living in Indonesia then? Sunatan masal is for boys, Maam. Girls’ occasions were done in a more private environment.

    I’m against the African and Middle Eastern version, don’t get me wrong. That’s simply barbaric. But if you are pooh-poohing the Indonesians, you’re barking at the wrong tree. No harm was done to the girls (yes, I’ve checked myself). They are much smarter than the 3As (Africans, Arabs and Alarmist NGOs) combined.

  27. avatar janma says:
    March 19th, 2008 at 9:38 am

    dewa, yes it is the one in nyuh kuning. Yayasan Bumi Sehat.

  28. avatar dewaratugedeanom says:
    March 19th, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    Cukurungan

    Ok.. you may hate me so much but for a Muslim your hate to other person shall not justify you to act un-justice onto them.

    Don’t overestimate yourself. I don’t hate you at all, only some of your posts. But, insyallah, someday you will grow up and come to your senses.

  29. avatar Purba Negoro says:
    March 22nd, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    Micheal you Sir, are a total philistine and a f*cking retard.
    Learn to read before opening your fool mouth and confirming our view almost all whites are full of their own p*ss and wind.

    “There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance.”
    Hippocrates

    “It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.”
    Mark Twain

    wong kasar cuma ngerti kasaran.- the point being though it is usually beneath me- for you I’ll gladly meet you in the flesh and beat some fricking sense into you.

    According to a US governmental report on Female Genital Mutilation in Indonesia:
    97/100 Kemayoran mothers had their girls. Trained midwives or physicians circumcised the baby girls using a blood lancet or sewing needle to prick the clitoris until bleeding occurred. However, some midwives merely wiped the clitoris with alcohol and bethadine. This procedure took place when the girl was 40 days to five years old.

    IN West Java 100/100 claimed their female children had been circumcised. Traditional birth attendants”¦ cut a small piece of the prepuce (clitoral hood) or the clitoris itself until bleeding occurred. This procedure was performed when the baby was about 40 days old.

    In Banten: “¦ t is largely a symbolic procedure. The practice is ceremonial, during which the clitoris of the baby or young girl is scraped or touched, often with the purpose of drawing several drops of blood. Sometimes a plant root is used symbolically and the girl is not touched at all.

    Do not ever mistake Indonesian female circumcision for the savagery of the African.
    We are nothing alike in any facet.

    What don’t you understand retard- it’s documented fact that FGM Pharaonic excision is COMPLETELY UNDOCUMENTED IN INDONESIA-

    If you don’t understand plain, basic fact- make an appointment and I’ll persuade you by cruder means.

    Do not ever insult an Indonesian by ever implying similarity with the savages of Africa.

    There are many Javanese like me who would joyously gut an ignorant white like the sewer-eel they are for Pribumi honour.

  30. avatar Achmad Sudarsono says:
    March 22nd, 2008 at 4:19 pm

    Purba,

    Charming:

    almost all whites are full of their own p*ss and wind.

    savages of Africa.

    There are many Javanese like me who would joyously gut an ignorant white like the sewer-eel they are for Pribumi honour.

    Did someone re-circumcize you by accident ? What’s got your knickers in a twist today ?

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